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#3206875 - 06/29/19 03:27 PM Prickly Pear are in bloom!
orkan Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 06/27/03
Posts: 1745
Loc: Western SD







I need to find a straight bolt handle for this 527. Why they decided to sweep the handle up is beyond my comprehension. I loathe factory rifles, but this 527 17 hornet has been very amusing this spring.

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#3206879 - 06/29/19 04:00 PM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: orkan]
Bob_Atl Online
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Registered: 01/09/15
Posts: 2068
Loc: in the field, or not..
Great pics, tks & that's one serious PD rig..
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#3206886 - 06/29/19 05:50 PM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: orkan]
B23 Offline
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Registered: 12/07/11
Posts: 2035
Loc: Pacific NW
As you are aware, the little CZ 527 17 Hornets are a, VERY, fun little gun to shoot and having them threaded to shoot suppressed, just makes them even more fun. I liked my first CZ 527 Varmint 17 Hornet so well I bought a second one and the factory ammo in these things typically shoots pretty darn good.

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#3206923 - 06/30/19 08:50 AM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: B23]
jetman Offline
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Registered: 01/07/11
Posts: 1262
Loc: almost Canada
Originally Posted By: B23
The factory ammo in these things typically shoots pretty darn good.



Yes they do , In fact the boy shoots his as his primary coyote gun. He has been reloading for years , all calibers.
Never been able to find a better load in his CZ then the factory stuff, he has tried MANY different combos.
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#3206925 - 06/30/19 09:15 AM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: orkan]
jsh Offline
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Registered: 11/22/03
Posts: 188
Loc: Kansas U.S. of A
Orkan, nice work.
Always liked the prairie flowers.
I had some good pics from a couple of years ago. Flowers were in clumps, perfectly round bunches. Looked almost like potted mums from a distance. I looked around this year and most bunches had some critter munched out the sides of them.

Curious as to what glass that is.
Did you just photo through the scope or was there an attachment device for the camera?

I bought a Bmag thinking I was going to use it out to 200, being a replacement for my 527 17HH. Gonna have to do some work on the Bmag to make me happy.
Jeff


Edited by jsh (06/30/19 09:17 AM)

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#3206944 - 06/30/19 12:46 PM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: jsh]
orkan Offline
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Registered: 06/27/03
Posts: 1745
Loc: Western SD
Originally Posted By: jsh
Curious as to what glass that is.
Did you just photo through the scope or was there an attachment device for the camera?


Just a crappy nightforce I keep around. Pic was taken with iphone... I just held it up there. I just threw this rifle together to see if I was going to get along with the rifles/cartridge at all... so I grabbed this nightforce out of a drawer.

Now that I know I like the 17 hornet (a lot), I bought a new CZ 527, except this time a varmint model. Got a new boyds pro varmint stock with adjustable comb, and will have them bedded, cut/threaded, cerakoted, etc. That one will get a proper scope: Tangent Theta 315M. I'm looking into a mcmillan or manners carbon fiber stock that is suitable to inlet for the 527... but the boyds will work for now.

If anyone has a lead on a proper bolt handle for this rifle, I'd be grateful for the tip.

I've killed over 1600 pdogs so far this spring with this rifle. It will be interesting to see how many rounds it will go.

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#3206969 - 06/30/19 05:03 PM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: orkan]
orkan Offline
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Registered: 06/27/03
Posts: 1745
Loc: Western SD
Went out again today. They were thick. I was only out for a little over an hour and killed 71. Considering I only had 75 rounds with me... I consider that a smashing success. Was shooting them as fast as I could run the action and reload mags.

I definitely need to get a chair that swivels, or at least doesn't have arm rests, so I can pivot around. Next time I plan to hide the ranger northstar in the bottom of a draw, but I wasn't planning on staying long.


This little pronghorn came to say hello.







When I'm shooting all his pals in the head out to 250yds on this beautiful 1-5mph breeze day... it's probably best for his safety to avoid fully exposing himself at 28yds and barking at me. Then it's probably better for him if he doesn't sit there long enough for me to get a picture, chamber a round, and thump his chest good. It's always fun when some close ones get an attitude. I can get it adjusted right quick.


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#3207087 - 07/01/19 11:00 PM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: orkan]
orkan Offline
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Registered: 06/27/03
Posts: 1745
Loc: Western SD
Installed an HS precision stock today. Significant improvement in ergo's over the factory sporter, but definitely not what I'd call all the way right. It'll get replaced. I ordered up a Boyds pro varmint stock with adjustable cheek to try out next.



Shot two prairie dogs at 475yds with the 17 hornet today. Missed the first shot on both, connected on both on the second round. I misjudged the wind by about 1/4 to 1/2 of 1mph on both of the first shots, which put me off by a tenth or so. These little 20gr bullets just aren't meant for that kind of trip. Five mph 2:00 wind, and I was holding right 1 mil and up 2.6 mils of elevation for impact. The 17 hornet is very capable to 300yds, but it really shows its limitations at that longer distance. It was only hitting with 85 ft/lbs at 475yds. At 200yds, impact energy is upwards of 280 ft/lbs.

Shot a pile of them from 130 to 250yds today. Very much in the 17 hornet comfort zone. Explosively solid hits. Non-existent recoil. It's just so much fun. Around a hundred killed today.

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#3207097 - 07/02/19 03:22 AM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: orkan]
B23 Offline
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Registered: 12/07/11
Posts: 2035
Loc: Pacific NW
If you like a McM A5 then you'll like the Boyd's Pro Varmint. I put a Boyd's Pro Varmint on my Bmag 17 WSM and it's nearly identical to my McM A5's.

The comb height is really low on the CZ 527 factory stocks. Even the HS Prec has a very low comb height. I see you're using a pic rail and rings instead of the dove tail rings specifically for the CZ 527. I had a similar setup on my CZ 527 204 and had to put an adj. cheek piece on the stock in order to get an acceptable cheek weld. You'll like the Pro Varmint with the adjustable cheek piece. The Pro Varmint I have on my Bmag doesn't have that but the one my dad put on his 17 HMR does and it's a nice solid piece, I was actually impressed with the quality of it considering their cost.

The rail I used on my CZ 527 204 setup was from DIP Inc and even with the lowest rings I could use and still clear the barrel with the Burris 4-20x50 Veracity, the comb was so low I had to lift my head up off the stock in order to see through the scope. Some people either aren't bothered by this or they don't notice, I'm neither, and I can't stand lifting my head up to see through the scope. I always feel like I'm searching around for the right position when I have to do that.


Edited by B23 (07/02/19 11:42 AM)

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#3207100 - 07/02/19 05:56 AM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: orkan]
jsh Offline
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Registered: 11/22/03
Posts: 188
Loc: Kansas U.S. of A
I used a DIP base on mine.

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#3207117 - 07/02/19 10:57 AM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: orkan]
Hunt Offline
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Registered: 05/03/05
Posts: 800
Awesome pics. Seeing the photos through the scope takes me back to enjoyable days afield in SD. I'm ready to go back. 1,250 mile journey takes some planning.

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#3207123 - 07/02/19 11:52 AM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: orkan]
B23 Offline
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Registered: 12/07/11
Posts: 2035
Loc: Pacific NW
orkan, have you by chance shot any of the 15.5gr ammo in your 17 Hornet? That stuff shoots extremely well in both of mine and out to 300 yards those tiny little 15.5 grainers flat blow the stuffing out of things.

Those little 15.5gr NTX lead free bullets are nearly the same length as the 20gr Vmax. As you are well aware, wind has a tendency to dance these little bullets around a fair bit, but that just adds to the fun of shooting these little 17's.

What color laminate did you order your Boyd's Pro Varmint in? I think you're going to really like that stock and look forward to seeing a pic of it all together.

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#3207133 - 07/02/19 02:20 PM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: B23]
orkan Offline
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Registered: 06/27/03
Posts: 1745
Loc: Western SD
Originally Posted By: B23
What color laminate did you order your Boyd's Pro Varmint in?
I chose coyote laminate. I've not used the 15gr bullets. I've no interest in hornady ammo, so I'm sticking with the federal offerings.

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#3207153 - 07/02/19 06:38 PM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: orkan]
B23 Offline
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Registered: 12/07/11
Posts: 2035
Loc: Pacific NW
Originally Posted By: orkan
Originally Posted By: B23
What color laminate did you order your Boyd's Pro Varmint in?
I chose coyote laminate. I've not used the 15gr bullets. I've no interest in hornady ammo, so I'm sticking with the federal offerings.


Hate to be the one to tell you this, but it's one and the same, the only difference is the box says Federal AE on it, and that is coming straight from Federal themselves.

When it first came out I called Federal because I was hoping they were using different brass, but the Federal Tech told me they sub contract the 17 Hornet ammo out and it's the same stuff as the Hornady label. I further pushed and asked, ok but if it's the same stuff why the difference in advertised velocity, he told me their test gun was fitted with a shorter barrel than what Hornady uses.

Coyote Laminate is what my dad went with on his HMR and I used the same when I restocked my CZ 204, but that one wasn't a Pro Varmint. A Coyote Laminate Pro Varmint is going to look very nice on your 17 Hornet.


Edited by B23 (07/02/19 06:40 PM)

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#3207208 - 07/03/19 12:05 PM Re: Prickly Pear are in bloom! [Re: B23]
orkan Offline
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Registered: 06/27/03
Posts: 1745
Loc: Western SD
Originally Posted By: B23
Hate to be the one to tell you this, but it's one and the same, the only difference is the box says Federal AE on it, and that is coming straight from Federal themselves.


They are most definitely not the same. When I first started shooting 17 hornet I bought several different types of hornady ammo... the cases bulged at the web on all of it. Very hot, as per usual for hornady. The federal however does not, across 4 different lot numbers purchased months apart. It all shoots better, and it all produces excellent velocity without blowing out the cases. The brass simply feels a better quality.

So if hornady is manufacturing it, and they may be, as you say, you wouldn't know it based on how it behaves and the perceived quality of the brass. So perhaps once upon a time hornady made it... but doesn't now? Even if hornady is making it, but using a specific federal spec, then that's enough for me. I assure you the hornady stuff I've used is quite different from this federal I've been shooting. This stuff does not behave like any of the hornady ammo at all.

I also find it strange that if it's a hornady rebrand, why not stick with their 25rnd boxes with plastic tray? Do they deliver loaded ammo in bulk and then federal boxes it in their 50rnd foam tray boxes?

Federal case on the left, hornady on the right. You can clearly see the case disruption on the hornady case. Not a single federal case from any of my lot numbers purchased at any time looks like that. There are other small differences between them which would indicate either entirely different equipment, or completely different company. Either way, the federal branded ammo is simply better.






I just noticed also, that the box on federal's website is not folded like the boxes that I've been getting, for what that's worth. So perhaps they changed something.



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