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#3203626 - 05/14/19 03:38 PM Re: 7.62X39 vs .223 for medium sized game? [Re: 762x39]
22 Chuck Offline
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Registered: 08/11/17
Posts: 25
Loc: Montmorency Co, MI
Dont be so bitter. After all taxpayers (all of us) have invested MILLIONS in your beloved condors. O hope you enjoy them as I will never see on cause Ill never come to KALIFORNA.

Buy some copper bullets and do your part while enjoying the buzzards

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#3203641 - 05/14/19 06:54 PM Re: 7.62X39 vs .223 for medium sized game? [Re: 762x39]
crittr gittr Offline
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Registered: 08/31/12
Posts: 1258
Loc: UTAH
762 I would try the barnes ttxs bullets if they expand with your velocities. I've shot them in a 22-250 and 30-06 both with devastating results. Coyotes with the the 224 cal. and Elk and a Mountain Goat with the 30 cal.
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#3203642 - 05/14/19 07:08 PM Re: 7.62X39 vs .223 for medium sized game? [Re: 762x39]
Dultimatpredator Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 07/06/07
Posts: 2324
Loc: Wisconsin
Iíve seen ugly ,dirty looking condors when hunting in AZ. I saw a pair and thought they were turkey vultures and snuck up on them drinking from the river when I was calling coyotes. They have a face only a mother could love. Their heads remind me of a coyote with mange. Nasty! Wait till they try and pass an expanded TSX and bleed out internally on the spot. Youíll be a non hunting state soon in liberal central. Somebody needs to grow a pair and take charge of that so called state. The last time I was there I caught a 7í mako shark in Dana Point. I took it to the dock so I could process it to feed my friends and family and thought I was going to lynched for doing so. There were weirdos everywhere pushing their dogs in strollers dressed up in baby clothes! It feels like Iím going to Mars every time I visit your state. Lol. Eventually all your protected mountain lions are going to kill and eat all the tree huggers over there anyways.


Edited by Dultimatpredator (05/14/19 07:19 PM)

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#3203709 - 05/15/19 04:19 PM Re: 7.62X39 vs .223 for medium sized game? [Re: Dultimatpredator]
762x39 Offline
Predator Master

Registered: 11/02/17
Posts: 50
Loc: California, USA
I know what you mean. The attitudes out here are disgusting to say the least and full of hypocrisy. Copper is a heavy metal and every bit as
poisonous as lead in enough concentration. It is less efficient in cleanly killing than lead, therefore leaving more cripples even with good accurate fire. Makes no sense to me.

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#3203723 - 05/15/19 08:01 PM Re: 7.62X39 vs .223 for medium sized game? [Re: 762x39]
jetman Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 01/07/11
Posts: 1197
Loc: almost Canada
Don't under estimate the Barnes tts.
There a fantastic bullet, I have never been disappointed ,and yes they will group under a 1/2 if you get the right powder/ speed combination. We have no restrictions on what we shoot, we choose to shoot copper because they shoot so well and there DRT attitude. They like it fast and a little jump to the lands, gots see what your gun likes. we use them in every thing from 17 to 338 to 4570 OUT STANDING. BUT you HAVE to try them, they do tend to be a little pricy for blasting 200/ 300 at prairie dogs there I go cheep, Nosler...
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#3203808 - 05/17/19 05:35 AM Re: 7.62X39 vs .223 for medium sized game? [Re: jetman]
aknome Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 8
My winter time caribou/wolf gun is an AR15 223. Federal premium ammo with Barnes bullets. Every caribou I've pointed it at has ended up in the freezer.

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#3203819 - 05/17/19 09:52 AM Re: 7.62X39 vs .223 for medium sized game? [Re: 762x39]
Dultimatpredator Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 07/06/07
Posts: 2324
Loc: Wisconsin
IMO Speed is you friend when using all copper bullets. If it were me I would pick the lightest per caliber offering and push it hard at hyper velocity speeds to make sure it opens and hopefully brakes off pedals for additional wound channels.

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#3203827 - 05/17/19 11:22 AM Re: 7.62X39 vs .223 for medium sized game? [Re: Dultimatpredator]
GreatCanadian Offline
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Registered: 02/26/19
Posts: 12
Loc: Newfoundland, Canada
Originally Posted By: Dultimatpredator
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All I know is if I had to use an all copper bullet on deer it sure wouldn't be in a .224 diameter configuration. ...


I'm from Newfoundland, Canada, and have hunted for 40 years (moose, caribou, black bear, and bunches of small game including coyote over the past decade). I am often surprised at the amount of "overkill" suggestions on hunting websites regarding what caliber for what game. I am in no way arguing, or suggesting that my way is the right way, but I have to agree with the above quote. I would not use an all copper bullet in .223 caliber for deer. Absolutely in no way do I trust its expansion and killing power. There is a BIG BIG difference in killing power between copper and lead bullets of the same caliber. Not only do I think it's a bad idea, I think it's inhumane. Methinks there will be a lot of wounded animals left in the woods to die a slow, painful death once that silly law you're talking about kicks in.

GC

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#3203853 - 05/17/19 04:26 PM Re: 7.62X39 vs .223 for medium sized game? [Re: 762x39]
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Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 16113
Loc: Missouri
Have you shot a big game animal with a .223 and all copper bullet?
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#3203855 - 05/17/19 04:40 PM Re: 7.62X39 vs .223 for medium sized game? [Re: 762x39]
hm1996 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/06
Posts: 14872
Loc: S. Texas
If recoil is the issue with your .308, try loading some 125 or 130 gr (not familiar w/what's available in copper bullets....never able to get them to shoot in anything I have) bullets. You can push them fast and you essentially have a short, low recoil .270.

Regards,
hm
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#3203909 - 05/18/19 08:55 AM Re: 7.62X39 vs .223 for medium sized game? [Re: hm1996]
Dultimatpredator Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 07/06/07
Posts: 2324
Loc: Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: hm1996
If recoil is the issue with your .308, try loading some 125 or 130 gr (not familiar w/what's available in copper bullets....never able to get them to shoot in anything I have) bullets. You can push them fast and you essentially have a short, low recoil .270.

Regards,
hm


Agree 100%

...and they would be at extremely fast, flat, velocities to make sure the all copper bullet opens up and benefit from every bit of energy transfer.

My 300 rum recoils like a 243 with a KDF brake using 125 grain NBTs with full throttle loads at 3950 FPS.

Light loads per caliber recoil ALOT less, shoot flat, hit hard, and dump most their energy in the animal IMO.


Edited by Dultimatpredator (05/18/19 08:59 AM)

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