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#3201117 - 04/12/19 01:00 PM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: GregO]
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Thanks Greg.

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#3201146 - 04/12/19 08:10 PM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: old cat]
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Good info thanks. Looks promising. Might pick one of those up for my 2nd night rig
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#3201165 - 04/13/19 12:00 AM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: old cat]
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Greg, that's a very good and detailed review. Thanks for that.

The daytime video seems crystal clear at base mag and even at 2x, and the night video is good once you get the IR adjusted right.

How does video compare to what your eye sees? Is video better than you see through the ocular, vice versa or about the same?


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#3201214 - 04/13/19 03:06 PM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: old cat]
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Registered: 01/29/17
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Pics and vids look very good to me even at the higher mag settings.

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#3201301 - 04/14/19 09:59 AM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: old cat]
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Registered: 12/15/08
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Loc: CO
I could have been happy for a long time with my Photon XT. I can live without audio, although I shouldn't have to, but the lousy battery life is a deal breaker. After experiencing the battery life of my Pulsar Trail XP38 I cannot go back.

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#3201378 - 04/14/19 11:25 PM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: cmatera]
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Originally Posted By: cmatera
I could have been happy for a long time with my Photon XT. I can live without audio, although I shouldn't have to, but the lousy battery life is a deal breaker. After experiencing the battery life of my Pulsar Trail XP38 I cannot go back.


I agree completely that we shouldn’t have to do without audio, given that technology has advanced so much in NV scopes. It just makes no sense to me that Sightmark would build a good scope from scratch and not have audio. As well, ATN has raised the bar regarding battery life with their new 4k. I have yet to run the battery down after charging it one time, and I have used the scope quite a bit. That should be the standard and not have to continue feeding scopes AA’s and CR123 batteries that only last 2-4 hours.

Regarding ATN, most of us have bashed them a lot over the years, and a lot of it was warranted due to less quality and poor customer service. Things do seem to be improving, however. I have phoned ATN three or four times in the last 6 months regarding warranty / repair and once to help me with a question about my scope. Every time I had a rep on the phone in short order and received good help.

For now I can’t think of a better digital scope than the 4k. I had high hopes for the Wraith but the audio deal has killed it for me. The 4k has great battery life as mentioned, audio is very good plus the scope has a ballistic calculator that the Wraith does not. Sightmark is on the right path but has a way to go to catch up to the 4k. The two redeming features of the Wraith are resolution and price.


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#3201402 - 04/15/19 12:11 PM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: 6mm06]
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Registered: 04/04/19
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Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Greg, that's a very good and detailed review. Thanks for that.

The daytime video seems crystal clear at base mag and even at 2x, and the night video is good once you get the IR adjusted right.

How does video compare to what your eye sees? Is video better than you see through the ocular, vice versa or about the same?



That is a good question. When comparing the video with what I saw looking through the scope, I had the impression that they where very equal in quality. This past weekend I shot a pig at night, I was rushed to take the shot and really took no time to fine tune the IR illuminator. When I look back at the video, I really feel that I had a better picture while looking through the scope. This may just be my perception during the heat of the moment, so more "testing" is required to make a call on that. So far I'm thrilled with the way the scope is working for me, but keep in mind I have no past experience to compare with. More to come!

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#3201436 - 04/15/19 08:53 PM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: old cat]
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Keep up the good work GregO!!! I'm on the edge of my seat trying to sort all this out. I feel 6mm06 has a lot of good issues about the batteries. I'd just like a good scope for night hunting, not to concern with all the bells and whistles.

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#3201437 - 04/15/19 09:11 PM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: Boommeup]
Kirsch Offline
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Registered: 10/13/09
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Originally Posted By: Boommeup
Keep up the good work GregO!!! I'm on the edge of my seat trying to sort all this out. I feel 6mm06 has a lot of good issues about the batteries.
The less accessories you have to attach to a gun or scope to make them run such as a DVR or batteries, it is better. With that said, an external battery pack is cheap for the Wraith. I still would rather have a better integrated battery, but it isn't a deal stopper. I never run AA or 123s.
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#3201438 - 04/15/19 09:28 PM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: old cat]
Burnsome... Offline
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Registered: 11/24/18
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6mm - You're spot on about the battery life on the 4k. Something like 18 hours run time on a full charge, which is mighty handy. I really like mine.

Kirsch - what type/brand of external battery pack for the Wraith and how much run time? If it wasnt too bulky and would attach somewhere convenient on a bolt gun it wouldnt be a deal breaker for me.

I'm simplistic with my night hunting requirements. The 4k is overkill with all the bells and whistles for me so I dont use any of it. Just give me a reticle and a coyote to shoot and I'm good with that.
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#3201445 - 04/15/19 11:05 PM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: old cat]
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Yeah, all the bells and whistle stuff on the 4k, to my way of thinking is useless. I guess some others will like the features. What appeals to me most is powering up quickly, day / night capability, resolution, video & audio, battery life, eye relief AND the ballistic calculator. I found the ballistic calculator to perform beautifully on my old model X-Sight 2. It was spot on at the various distances I tested it at. I don't need a compass, wifi etc.

All of these scopes are a work in progress and basically we are the testing board, but also companies pay attention to what we hunters think. Each new model sees improvements over the last. Hopefully the Wraith will have audio in future models, along with better battery life. I am like Kirsch in that I can live with an external battery. That part isn't a deal breaker for me either, but the lack of audio is. That's just how I like things.

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#3201457 - 04/16/19 04:59 AM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: Burnsome...]
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[quote=Burnsome...]6mm - You're spot on about the battery life on the 4k. Something like 18 hours run time on a full charge, which is mighty handy. I really like mine.

Kirsch - what type/brand of external battery pack for the Wraith and how much run time? If it wasnt too bulky and would attach somewhere convenient on a bolt gun it wouldnt be a deal breaker for me.

I'm simplistic with my night hunting requirements. The 4k is overkill with all the bells and whistles for me so I dont use any of it. Just give me a reticle and a coyote to shoot and I'm good with that. [/quot

A reticle & a coyote +1 O YEA.


Edited by old cat (04/16/19 05:02 AM)

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#3201459 - 04/16/19 07:42 AM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: old cat]
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Registered: 02/20/15
Posts: 63
Loc: Ohio S branch of the Portage
Ok Kirsch! I have a pocket juice already will that work? How do you mount those onto the scope or rail? Maybe I should look before I ask! Less things to go wrong works for me!!!

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#3201481 - 04/16/19 10:56 AM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: Burnsome...]
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Originally Posted By: Burnsome...
Kirsch - what type/brand of external battery pack for the Wraith and how much run time? If it wasn't too bulky and would attach somewhere convenient on a bolt gun it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.
I don't have my Wraith yet, but according to the specs, it will allow any 5v external power source.

The TNVC Battery Pack could be an option, but I won't know until I get the Wraith. I believe you would need a usb-c to micro usb adapter. How this would mount on a bolt gun is the question at least if using the weaver rail for IR.

I really like the Anker battery packs. There are cheaper options but Anker tends to get some of the best reviews and scores of any brand. If you wish to keep the IR light, you could potentially mount the Anker 5000 round battery pack on the other side of the scope if there is enough rail with something like this
offset flashlight mount. This is in theory only until I get the Wraith and do some testing.

If you don't mind wires, you could get something like this that goes on your butt stock. I ran something like this with my ATN and it was OK.

Originally Posted By: Boommeup
Ok Kirsch! I have a pocket juice already will that work? How do you mount those onto the scope or rail?
As far as the Pocket Juice, the ones I found on Amazon did deliver a 5V - 2.4 amp power supply, so it could work. It really comes down to where do you want to keep or mount the battery pack. For the Pocket Juice, I would look at something like mentioned above with the butt stock, or just get a different external for this device.
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#3201484 - 04/16/19 11:37 AM Re: Sightmark Wraith [Re: old cat]
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Registered: 02/20/15
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Loc: Ohio S branch of the Portage
I’d bet one of reb8600 brass catchers would work for holding that pocket juice battery pack!

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