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#3197668 - 03/13/19 07:21 PM Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning
Str8Shooter Offline
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Registered: 02/11/02
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Iíve got the opportunity to upgrade my scanner to a Helion XP 28 or XP 38. Just wondering which would be the best option for scanning. The base mag on the XP 28 is 1.4 X with a 120 ft FOV and the base mag on the XP 38 is 1.9 X with a 90 ft FOV. I was using an LD 19S previously.
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#3197671 - 03/13/19 07:29 PM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Str8Shooter]
varminter .223 Offline
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Registered: 03/01/10
Posts: 2111
Loc: south central Illinois
152' x 114.4' is the fov on my current xd19a. I'm in the same boat as you and I'm torn between magnification and field of view. It drives me crazy to look through the big mag of an xq38 helion. If I end up going night vision next year I'm going to need the different handheld but man the xd19a has been working great especially when all I have to do is find the heat signature and then go to my trail xp50.


Edited by varminter .223 (03/13/19 07:32 PM)

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#3197672 - 03/13/19 07:40 PM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Str8Shooter]
varminter .223 Offline
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Registered: 03/01/10
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Loc: south central Illinois
65.4 x 48.9 is the trail xp50 fov. When our season runs out this Friday I may take it off the gun and just go out and scan with it and see if I feel restricted. I would say probably the xp-38 is going to be the way I go though because the fov of my xp50 trail seems pretty decent but that's gun mounted I'm curious how that will feel when I'm swinging it around looking through it.


Edited by varminter .223 (03/13/19 07:41 PM)

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#3197685 - 03/13/19 08:52 PM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Str8Shooter]
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I know, itís a tough call... the difference between the 28 and 38 isnít much, but the difference between my old LD19S and the 38 is substantial... 60 feet.
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#3197686 - 03/13/19 08:56 PM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Str8Shooter]
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Registered: 10/13/09
Posts: 951
Loc: North Dakota
If you hunt more wooded or areas with limited range, I would go for the XP28. If you hunt more open areas, I would go for the Helion XP38 with another 300+ yards of ID. I own the Helion Xp38. I have wished for a bit more mag more times than more FOV while using. However, if buying again, I would buy the same scanner.
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#3197688 - 03/13/19 09:06 PM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Str8Shooter]
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I mainly hunt fields with about 200 - 500 yds of open ground, some areas are a bit smaller but I would say thatís a good average.
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#3197692 - 03/13/19 09:12 PM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Str8Shooter]
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Registered: 09/27/09
Posts: 1116
Loc: Southside Virginia
My $.02.
Here in the east where I hunt FOV is more important than magnification. I'm using a 1X FLIR and am very happy with it. As a matter of fact I went from a XP28 back to the FLIR 640 just for the FOV (and the Pulsars were too problematic, I'll never own another Pulsar but that's another subject).
For PID I depend on my gun mounted scope.

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#3197694 - 03/13/19 09:17 PM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: 1trkyhntr]
varminter .223 Offline
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Loc: south central Illinois
Originally Posted By: 1trkyhntr
My $.02.
Here in the east where I hunt FOV is more important than magnification. I'm using a 1X FLIR and am very happy with it. As a matter of fact I went from a XP28 back to the FLIR 640 just for the FOV (and the Pulsars were too problematic, I'll never own another Pulsar but that's another subject).
For PID I depend on my gun mounted scope.

Just curious what kind of issue you had with Pulsar?

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#3197698 - 03/13/19 09:35 PM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Str8Shooter]
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Registered: 10/13/09
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Loc: North Dakota
I recently was able to use a Trijicon IRD 300w. Very nice image and very wide FOV. However, I preferred using the Helion XP38 as at 1x base mag, everything was too far away for wide open plains hunting. Different terrain, different species, and/or different hunting styles all may impact the best scanner for each hunter.
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#3197705 - 03/13/19 09:56 PM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Kirsch]
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Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 673
Loc: Iowa
I hunt eastern Iowa and can't count how many times I've recommended the 19a's for the FOV. I have 2 19a's, 1 HD & 1 XD. The XD has a few more bells and whistles which I never use and 50 hz instead of 30 hz refresh rate. Can't really tell the difference after repeated looks through both. Also have a Helion XP28 and the only reason I got that was I got a heck of a deal and it had the widest FOV of it's line. I have a Trail XP 50 and a D740. That being said I use the 19a 90 to 95% of the time. Would not give them up for their FOV and excellent detection ability. Have no issues detecting coyotes out to 500 yards with these. Have tracked on down a fence line at 600 yds. after missing a 300 yd shot. They allow me to scan with less head turning or whipping around and I know have got me on to coyotes I might have not gotten on to soon enough if the FOV had been smaller. The XP28 sits at my side primarily and I pick it up if something is way out there and I want to get a better idea what it might be without turning on the scope. There is nothing out there that gives the FOV of the old 19a except some of the ATN 640 HD low power scopes or scanners and most of us know that ATN hasn't had the best reviews on product or customer service. I think if you have bigger longer areas to hunt like KIRSCH does than the higher magnification longer detection scanners make sense, but for my area here in Easter Iowa which I suspect are somewhat similar to yours I would try to stay with the largest FOV I could get. If they would only have updated the core in the 19a's to a 640 it would have been darn near perfect. FOV on 19a is 26.8x20.8, XP28 22x16.6, XP38 16.3x12.3. To me that is significant. Even the drop of almost 5 degrees from the 19 to the 28 is plenty.


Edited by case-nh (03/13/19 10:00 PM)

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#3197730 - 03/14/19 12:48 AM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Str8Shooter]
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Loc: WI
Thanks for all of the info guys, I really appreciate it. Sounds like the XP28 is the way to go for the terrain that I hunt.
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#3197751 - 03/14/19 08:49 AM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Str8Shooter]
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Registered: 01/29/17
Posts: 48
Loc: WI
Originally Posted By: Str8Shooter
I mainly hunt fields with about 200 - 500 yds of open ground, some areas are a bit smaller but I would say thatís a good average.


You probably have the same kind of ground that I am hunting....I tried the Helion XP28 last month for about one week. I was not impressed at all with it. In my opinion it had a heck of a time detecting deer past 400yds. I am currently using a Trail XQ38 for scanning and my Trail blew the Helion XP28 away with detecting critters that were beyond 300yds. I tried every setting/colors/brightness/contrast on the XP28 and bumping the mag to 2.1(the same as the Trail) I really wanted the XP28 to work for me, but it just wasn't there detection wise compared to my Trail XQ38. I ended up returning it.

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#3197757 - 03/14/19 09:40 AM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Str8Shooter]
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Registered: 12/18/10
Posts: 2445
Loc: USA
Sounds like you had a defective unit. Even a 19A will do deer at over 500. A 640 core should have been much better than that.
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#3197760 - 03/14/19 09:45 AM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Str8Shooter]
varminter .223 Offline
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Registered: 03/01/10
Posts: 2111
Loc: south central Illinois
On those good thermal nights my xd19a really does work well. I will pick up most coyotes before my buddy scanning with the xp50 on his gun will. It continually has me second guessing an upgrade to a smaller fov. I guess I just need both.


Edited by varminter .223 (03/14/19 09:46 AM)

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#3197825 - 03/14/19 02:30 PM Re: Pulsar Helion XP28 or XP38 For Scanning [Re: Str8Shooter]
iowayotehunter76 Offline
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Registered: 01/12/17
Posts: 183
Loc: IA - Iowa
I have a helion xp38 for scanning. For me it is about the best of both worlds. I had a xq38 and it was way too tight. I would not want to loose any detection range from where I am now.


Edited by iowayotehunter76 (03/14/19 02:32 PM)

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