FWIW, Midway had em last nite for $13 and change/100 on closeout sale. As mentioned here before, it appears Hornady is doing away wth this bullet, so get em while you can. FWIW, Powder Valley, Natchez etc has em too yet. I got what I need for a while....wonder if Hornady is looking to bring something new out, or are they gonna stick us with custom makers only for "tough-enuf" 17 bullets??