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#3185711 - 01/15/19 03:34 PM .223 not cutting it for coyotes
Pantera Offline
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Registered: 03/02/16
Posts: 141
Loc: SoCal
Deciding to switch from .223 to .308, .223 will grenade a yote but offers no knockdown power. Thinking I'm going to run 20"+ target barrels on AR-10s and keep the AR-15 barrels short. The more domesticated these things become the bigger they get.

What good is a 20" barrel on a 2.23? Deciding whether or not to keep it. I want to see what lengths guys are running for .223/5.56 and .308 respectively. Think I will convert to target builds on AR-10s and keep the AR-15s practical

If anyone has an R15 handguard, I might be interested


Edited by Pantera (01/15/19 03:36 PM)

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#3185719 - 01/15/19 03:47 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
TripleDeuce660 Offline
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Registered: 11/10/08
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Loc: Las Vegas Nevada
What bullet are you shooting? I have no problems with 55 gr SPs. A lot of options with more knockdown without going to a 308.
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#3185722 - 01/15/19 04:01 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: TripleDeuce660]
Pantera Offline
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Loc: SoCal
Originally Posted By: TripleDeuce660
What bullet are you shooting? I have no problems with 55 gr SPs. A lot of options with more knockdown without going to a 308.


55gr Remington UMC softpoint, I've had better luck with a properly placed .17 HMR. Must be something in the water


Edited by Pantera (01/15/19 04:01 PM)

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#3185724 - 01/15/19 04:05 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: TripleDeuce660]
case-nh Offline
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Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 673
Loc: Iowa
I have a RRA TRO 14.5" hand guard if interested.

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#3185729 - 01/15/19 04:21 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: case-nh]
Pantera Offline
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Loc: SoCal
Originally Posted By: case-nh
I have a RRA TRO 14.5" hand guard if interested.


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#3185737 - 01/15/19 04:41 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
LARUEminati Offline
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Registered: 02/28/13
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Loc: Western Massachusetts
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#3185738 - 01/15/19 04:41 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
arlaunch Online
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Registered: 04/09/17
Posts: 298
Loc: OR
It has never crossed my mind one time that .223 Rem could not kill a Coyote effectively.

My thinking would be to change bullet types.
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#3185742 - 01/15/19 04:56 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: arlaunch]
Pantera Offline
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Registered: 03/02/16
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Loc: SoCal
Originally Posted By: arlaunch
It has never crossed my mind one time that .223 Rem could not kill a Coyote effectively.

My thinking would be to change bullet types.




I have ended up having to track every single yote I have shot with a .223, these are shoulder, stomach, and hind leg shots. I have seen them run with their intestines dragging behind them, and my partners and I can only boil it down to the areas we hunt must be somewhat trafficked by other hunters, and the yotes are familiar with the sound of a gunshot; adrenaline kicks in and they are gone. My partner shot a coon with a .223 and we had to track for a half a mile. Finishing it with a .45 to the head was satisfying.

.223 is feeling more and more like a peashooter to me. It certainly will kill a coyote, but it has no knockdown power. I'm looking for something to coyotes what a .223 is to rabbits


Edited by Pantera (01/15/19 05:07 PM)

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#3185748 - 01/15/19 05:08 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
Bowhntr6pt Online
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Registered: 04/09/13
Posts: 644
Loc: Central Florida
I'd just build an upper in 6.8 SPC vs. the weight/cost of the large frames.

I have six large frame AR rifles 16, 18, and 24 all in .308... I don't take them coyote hunting as my 6.8 is a DRT rifle using 120gr SST bullets.

I guarantee you the Speer 70gr Semi-Spitzer will solve your run-off problems if you stay with .223.

Check this video out... three DRT'S

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJmKMxWuUdw

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#3185750 - 01/15/19 05:19 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Bowhntr6pt]
Pantera Offline
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Registered: 03/02/16
Posts: 141
Loc: SoCal
Originally Posted By: Bowhntr6pt
I'd just build an upper in 6.8 SPC vs. the weight/cost of the large frames.

I have six large frame AR rifles 16, 18, and 24 all in .308... I don't take them coyote hunting as my 6.8 is a DRT rifle using 120gr SST bullets.

I guarantee you the Speer 70gr Semi-Spitzer will solve your run-off problems if you stay with .223.

Check this video out... three DRT'S

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJmKMxWuUdw


Sweet video. I think my issue with .223 might come from the grain

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#3185752 - 01/15/19 05:34 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
SlickerThanSnot Online
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Registered: 01/31/14
Posts: 4974
Loc: stuck in a fence
these 223 wont kill a 25 pound coyote threads are always good for some laughs.
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#3185755 - 01/15/19 05:36 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
Pantera Offline
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Registered: 03/02/16
Posts: 141
Loc: SoCal
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
these 223 wont kill a 25 pound coyote threads are always good for some laughs.

Long time no see Snot I see you are still active

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#3185762 - 01/15/19 05:42 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
bomberhat Offline
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Registered: 09/30/12
Posts: 126
Loc: WA
aim for the face,or just stick with your 17 HMR if that works better for you.


Edited by bomberhat (01/15/19 05:43 PM)

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#3185763 - 01/15/19 05:44 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
AWS Offline
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Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 4718
Loc: NM
Shoulder, guts, legs, it isn't the 223 that is the problem.

If they hear the gunshot, you missed.

Coyote aren't very tough if you shoot them where you are suppose to with a decent bullet, they are tougher than [beeep] if you use the wrong bullet or shoot the fringes.

I have no problems with a 222 Rem and a decent bullet.


Edited by AWS (01/15/19 05:51 PM)
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#3185766 - 01/15/19 05:53 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
The Surgeon Offline
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Registered: 12/27/14
Posts: 65
Loc: Pin High
I've shot all 11 of my coyotes with a .223 55 Grain V-Max. I did have one that ran off that I couldn't find but I believe I had poor shot placement on that one. The rest were DRT.

Casey

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