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#3184612 - 01/11/19 02:42 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
DesertRam Online
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Registered: 04/26/01
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Loc: Las Cruces, NM USA
My wife killed her one bear, albeit not a large one, with her .257 Roberts shooting 120 grain soft points. One shot, dead on its feet. Second shot, dead in its tracks. Over bait.
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#3186317 - 01/17/19 06:05 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
H82Miss Offline
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Registered: 12/02/03
Posts: 648
Loc: Nampa, ID
My "bear over bait" gun is an AR15 6.8 SPC with a 18" Bison Armory barrel and 3-9x40 scope with illuminated dot reticle shooting 120 gr Hornady SST. In my opinion, plenty of gun for Idaho black bears. I would be comfortable with anything from .243 to .30-06.
My friends 13 y/o son smoked the biggest black bear I've ever seen in person (350lbs) with a .243 WSSM from 50 yards.

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#3187183 - 01/21/19 01:08 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
muskrat30 Offline
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Registered: 03/03/02
Posts: 2812
Loc: Wisconsin
The 30-06 is as good as anything, just get what you want. I like somewhat compact an easy to maneuver.

The reticle under low light Ďcaní be an issue, seen it mentioned for misses. Iíve never had a problem with at least a mid-quality scope. If it is the last 15 minutes of shooting light in the swamp, can get dark. One technique is to take the crosshairs off the black fur, then move it a Ďknown amountí back on.

For the most part thatís not required. I have seen some moved to lighted crosshairs over it though.

I mostly just assist with hunts now. If given the time, shooting at the base of the neck means no tracking required. Bears around the bait pile donít like people trampling about looking for a wounded bear. One should be able to thread a needle at 25 yards.

The one year I dropped one in the pile, with a quite removal, the next guy shot a #400+ pounder on the same pile the next afternoon.
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#3189420 - 01/29/19 04:46 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
redhaven Offline
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Registered: 07/09/13
Posts: 96
Loc: MO
I'd agree that the 30-06 is a great choice. Works well for pretty much all big game as others have said. I also like the .308 Win, which isn't that much different in performance.

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#3189715 - 01/30/19 06:33 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
drscott Offline
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Registered: 02/18/03
Posts: 751
Loc: Southwestern NM.
I have shot bears with everything from a 22 Hornet (Treed bears over hounds)to a 300 WM. Killed several with 223 one with a 243, 44 mag handgun and rifle, and several with a 30-06. Any gun that will work for whitetails will do the job on a bear. I wouldn't recommend the smaller calibers, but they will get the job done with proper bullet placement. If you are hunting back east in thick country I really would go to a larger caliber. Not very good blood trails with the smaller calibers. If I was sitting a blind over bait I would use my 44 mag. rifle, a whole lot less recoil than a 45/70 and the bear won't know the difference.

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#3190014 - 01/31/19 07:17 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
marine guy Offline
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Registered: 02/09/18
Posts: 14
Loc: indiana, united states
Thanks to everyone for the feedback and info on different calibers. I'll just have to make a decision on caliber. Then decide on the brand of rifle. I want a rifle that will stand up to all weather conditions. I was looking at the Ruger Guide, but I doubt i'll have to spend that much.

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#3192232 - 02/11/19 06:24 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
TooManyHobbies Offline
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Registered: 12/28/15
Posts: 58
Loc: CT
I've only shot one, a 258lb sow on a hound hunt in ME. One slug shot from my daughter's 20ga, DRT.

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#3192983 - 02/15/19 11:53 AM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
GC Offline
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Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 16020
Loc: Missouri
Originally Posted By: marine guy
Thanks to everyone for the feedback and info on different calibers. I'll just have to make a decision on caliber. Then decide on the brand of rifle. I want a rifle that will stand up to all weather conditions. I was looking at the Ruger Guide, but I doubt i'll have to spend that much.


I would do that differently. I would choose the rifle first, then any suitable caliber next.
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#3193613 - 02/18/19 04:50 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
Dultimatpredator Offline
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Registered: 07/06/07
Posts: 2223
Loc: Wisconsin
Bear arenít any harder to kill than a whitetail. I like faster better than slower caliber. A 30-06 is perfect, how about a Ruger American? Not a big fan of plastic magazines but the rifle is accurate. I believe the sportsmanís guide has 270ís for $279. Years ago I sat over bait in Canada at about a 120 yards. Shot two bear with a 45-70 guide gun. Both bear ran with no blood trails and were never recovered. I have video of the bullet going between the shoulder blades of one while it was feeding out of a 55gal drum like the bullet was flying in slow motion. If it was going slow enough to see no wonder it had no knock down powder. I was using Winchester factory ammo in 300 or 405 grainers if I remember. Not a big fan of the shoot today and find tomorrow caliber. If itís a close shot under 50 yards then yes. Guarantee if I took my trusty 30-06 with the first bear wouldnít have went anywhere or very far. I have an American 450 bushmaster that is basically the same undated version of the 45/70 imo and Iím slowly weaning myself back with. I shot three deer with a Ruger 77/44 last year. One ran 140 yards, one a 100 yards, and the third dropped all with double lung shot placement. A 265 grain cast hollow point loaded at 1750 FPS. Massive destruction and complete pass throughs. Not a big fan of slow velocity calibers for big game anymore. I do less tracking with bow shot deer. Iíd rather have soft bullet traveling over 2500 FPS with a lot of kenitic energy transfer imo. I watched 13 black bear get harvested one season. From 44 mags, 45-70ís, 12 gauge slugs, to 30-06. They all dropped out of the trees where dogs had them pinned and ran. The only ones that didnít run where shot with 300 RUMs. Shot mine with a swift scirocco and my buddy with a 180 gr nosler ballistic tip. The next time I was drawn 9 years later I used a 200 grain nosler partition. The bear did a summersault at the bait pile, got up and made it 45 yards before expiring with a sparce blood trail. What ever you choose pick a bullet that will exit and make the biggest exit hole for a good blood trail if needed. If black bear arenít shot in the backbone or in the head the odds are they are going to travel some distance after being shot. Shot another with a 19 3/16Ē skull using a Rocky Mountain gator 100 broadhead. Complete pass through right through the lungs and slit the heart. My arrow was solid red with good and sticking in the sapling right behind it. The bear made it 150 yards with no blood trail. Realistically anything .243 or bigger over bait at rock throwing distance because itís not going to matter much. Just use a heavy for caliber bullet to get a pass through. The 45-70 thing...I did the same. Bought the gun for the hunt and practiced all summer. Should have stuck with my 2750 FPS 180 grain core lock load over the 1600 FPS 4570 load and I would have brought home a bear imo without a doubt. The slow bullet acted like an arrow at that distance with no energy transfer or expansion and sailed right through it and the bears fat clogged up the hole. A fast expanding, fragmenting bullet will help slow the bear down for less travel time before expiring.


Edited by Dultimatpredator (02/18/19 05:15 PM)

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#3197280 - 03/11/19 02:13 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
marine guy Offline
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Registered: 02/09/18
Posts: 14
Loc: indiana, united states
Settled on a new Savage Scout .308. Someone from from my local gun store ordered one and didn't pick it up. So the store sold it to me for a good price. They also had a new Trijicon 1-4x24 accupoint triangle post (no box) they sold me at a good price. Had to do a little modifcation on the scout rifle so the traditional scope would work. Looks really nice. Store had some Hornady Full Boar ammo sitting on the shelf. They gave me a good price on it. Not much use for that type of ammo in northwest Indiana. I haven't had the time yet to shoot it. Hopefully it will shoot good. My bear hunt will be over a bait pile. I think this will be a great set up. Nice to have a great relationship with your local gunshop. I beleive I got a very good deal on the entire package. Did my homework on the prices, retail. Thanks to everyone's feedback on the calibers I could use.

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#3197343 - 03/11/19 09:13 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
TxPigKiller Offline
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Registered: 09/15/13
Posts: 795
Loc: Throckmorton County, TX
Excellent choices, just stick it in the right spot.
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#3198526 - Today at 11:33 AM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: TxPigKiller]
spotstalkshoot Offline
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Registered: 12/22/13
Posts: 1317
Loc: so.mn
just don't shoot the first one with Mickey mouse ears.

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