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#3183529 - 01/07/19 12:01 PM Black bear caliber advice
marine guy Offline
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Registered: 02/09/18
Posts: 53
Loc: indiana, united states
Can someone give me advice on a caliber and barrel length. This will probably done over a bait pile. Also the best rifle scope for close or maybe midrange. I was thinking the Ruger Guide 30-06, but I would like some opinions from people who have done a black bear. Thanks

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#3183532 - 01/07/19 12:17 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
tripod3 Offline
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 8380
Loc: WA
An '06 will do fine. Use a heavy bullet 180 gr, I've done it with plain old Rem CoreLokt's for decades.
Don't need a long barrel like 24-26". I like a barrel 22" and under for ease of swing if you get into brush or near trees/obstacles.
A fixed 4x scope will work, I prefer a 3-9 or 3-10 as you might need the low end for close work and I use the high end for sighting in.
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#3183565 - 01/07/19 01:22 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
marine guy Offline
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Registered: 02/09/18
Posts: 53
Loc: indiana, united states
Thanks for the feedback. Do you think a red dot in the scope is necessary. Or just a quality scope with good glass. Rem CoreLokt's, I thought I was going to have to buy some high $ ammo. Thanks again.

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#3183581 - 01/07/19 02:17 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
tripod3 Offline
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 8380
Loc: WA
Some guys like a red dot, it is not necessary. Yes a decent scope is nice.
There is some nice modern ammo/bullets available and .30-06 is available almost anywhere.
I have been using CorLokts in several rifles and all have shot them very well. Have taken everything from grouse to elk with them.
Here is whats left of a .300 WM 180 gr CoreLokt from last years elk @ 342 yds.

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#3183592 - 01/07/19 02:43 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
marine guy Offline
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Registered: 02/09/18
Posts: 53
Loc: indiana, united states
Impressive, looks like it retained alot of the bullet. I didn't know if the red dot would help against a black bear or was even really necessary. I was thinking a German #4 reticle would help in low light. thanks

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#3183603 - 01/07/19 03:45 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
West.Mass.Hunter Offline
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Registered: 02/09/17
Posts: 743
Loc: Massachusetts
I've been lucky and take 6 or 7 bears in Mass (can't bait) and even luckier have only needed 1 shot for each of them. One was shot with a Savage 99 in 308 and the rest have been taken with a Marlin 1895GBL 45/70. I love that gun for bears. Throwing Rem Cor Lok SP 405gr. out the muzzle puts a hurting on anything it hits. I have a Bushnell shotgun scope on it now but santa just brought me a Holosun 510c, just need to get some time to sight her in.
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#3183609 - 01/07/19 03:56 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
Petey Offline
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Registered: 04/29/10
Posts: 604
Loc: Minnesota USA
I think the 30-06 is a good choice, thats all I use on black bear. 180gr bullet and low power scope.
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#3183614 - 01/07/19 04:15 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: Petey]
tripod3 Offline
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 8380
Loc: WA
Forgot to mention, with bear keep shootin til they're down and let them be for a while.
Don't assume they are dead when approaching.
Usually one shot is all that it takes, a little caution is in your favor.
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#3183630 - 01/07/19 05:05 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
marine guy Offline
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Registered: 02/09/18
Posts: 53
Loc: indiana, united states
Thanks for the advice. I was thinking about the 45/70. I just kind of find it a pain to disassemble a lever action. At least it is to me.Shoot till their down, I will remember that!

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#3183741 - 01/07/19 10:52 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
6724 Offline
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Registered: 01/19/11
Posts: 2907
Loc: colorado
My first choice for over bait would be a lever gun in something with a large slow bullet, like a 45-70.

Why would you take a rifle apart?

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#3184064 - 01/09/19 11:35 AM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
marine guy Offline
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Registered: 02/09/18
Posts: 53
Loc: indiana, united states
Sorry I should of been more specific. Taking apart a lever action rifle for proper cleaning, seems to be a pain to me.

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#3184182 - 01/09/19 07:53 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
GC Offline
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Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 16554
Loc: Missouri
Marlin levers are easy peasy to take the bolt out of.
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#3184382 - 01/10/19 06:24 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
marine guy Offline
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Registered: 02/09/18
Posts: 53
Loc: indiana, united states
If Marlins are that easy to remove the bolt I will look at their 45/70. Haven't looked at them yet, I will do my research to see if they make a all-weather model. My biggest reason for the 30-06 was just in case of a longer shot, and the ease of cleaning a bolt rifle. I just want to make sure I take enough gun, without looking like I'm on a African hunt. But I still would like to buy a caliber that I can use for other game. I'm not a person who worries about trying to take shots pass 300 yards. My coyote hunting here in IN have been 200 yards or less, except for shooting one dog at 353 yards (ranged). Probably a little luck. But I do practice a lot. Thanks again to everyone here that has given me advice. This is why I became a member, endless help and information!

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#3184564 - 01/11/19 11:40 AM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
TxPigKiller Offline
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Registered: 09/15/13
Posts: 825
Loc: Throckmorton County, TX
A 45/70 is alot of gun. Anything throwing a descently crafted bullet over 150 gr will do the job. It is more important that you place it correctly. Jack Oconnor poleaxed critters all over the world with a 270 with 130-150 bullets.
Warning- The following info was given by a guy who packs a 300wsm to pop coyotes.
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#3184591 - 01/11/19 01:31 PM Re: Black bear caliber advice [Re: marine guy]
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Whatever you shoot, first round through the front shoulder. Break that sucker down. Follow up shots then as needed. All that fur can make blood trailing difficult.
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