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#3176137 - 12/06/18 09:50 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: Squeeze]
DAA Offline
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Registered: 04/23/01
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Loc: Salt Lake City
^^^^^ No bore guide? Preferably one with proper fitting o-ring.

For any cleaning. But I can't imagine the mess using Wipe out without one.

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#3176138 - 12/06/18 09:53 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: Squeeze]
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Maybe I am doing something wrong, but on several occasions using any type of foam, I get foam in the action. Thats the main reason I don't really care for it. A good cleaner on a patch and a good brush and some time scrubbing works for me.
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#3176142 - 12/06/18 10:02 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: Squeeze]
pahntr760 Offline
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Bore guide and tubing on the applicator will eliminate that. If you're getting that much back-flow, you're using too much product.
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#3176152 - 12/06/18 10:33 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: pahntr760]
hm1996 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/06
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Loc: S. Texas
Use a good bore guide w/proper fitting o'ring and apply foam from breech. I find the correct size tygon tubing to fit snug inside bore guide and leave the can/tubing inserted until foam stops expanding out the muzzle. Voila.....NO foam in action.

Since I clean after every outing, no problems w/long term buildup. As Keith said, foam does not cut carbon. Used various powder cleaning solvents first, followed by foam before bore scope.

After bore scope find that applying Tactical Advantage to Iosso blue nylon brush and making 6-8 passes through bore, let sit overnight will get all powder fouling and most, if not all of the copper out of most barrels w/1-20 rounds through them, even relatively rough factory barrels. Probably wouldn't after a day of shooting prairie dogs. If a trace of copper left, 2nd treatment takes care of it. Haven't used foam since.

Did resort to abrasives mentioned by Keith on a couple of barrels that I THOUGHT were clean before scope but which had a long term copper buildup and some carbon. Once removed, went back to TA.

Regards,
hm
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#3176153 - 12/06/18 10:51 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: Squeeze]
desertcj Offline
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Registered: 01/02/15
Posts: 342
Loc: West
I tried the foaming bore cleaners once on a rifle I was shooting mollied Barnes ttsx through. The normal Montana solvents weren't cutting it. It did come clean after about an hour of vigorous scrubbing and soaking but geeze. Then I tried JB and Kroil and I can get my barrels squeaky clean in 30 minutes tops. Patches come out white as the driven snow! I do still use the Montana solvents in conjunction with the JB and Kroil.

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#3176156 - 12/06/18 11:07 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: Squeeze]
ackleyman Offline
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Registered: 01/08/03
Posts: 8420
Loc: Hickville
Desertcj, how do you use JB and Kroil?

This stuff is a LOT better penetrating oil than kroil

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I tried all these, also

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Recently, I bought a 308 barrel,31" heavy Palma. Guys said it had 400 rounds through it with 200g bergers. The groves were full of carbon from breach to muzzle! I tried all my favorite scrubbings and soakings. Then I plugged the muzzle with a cork, let the barrel sit in the Free All for two week intervals, scrubbed 10 strokes immediately with new bronze bristle brush, and after 6 weeks(3 soakings) there was still a little bit of carbon in the barrel. Next I scrubbed the barrel with Al Oxide mixed in honing oil. The barrel is now perfectly clean, ready to be Re chambered.

This is a barrel of a top manufacturer, cut rifle barrel. The grooves that were cut had uneven cut marks that looked like scratches or the cutter did not make uniform cuts. These are minor under 25x magnification of the Hawkeye, but this rough micro finish allows carbon to find a crevice to start filling up, then stacking up on.

As an F class shooter, the first owner of this barrel would shoot 60 shot strings getting the barrel very hot. His cleaning regiment was minimal at best. His gunsmith that sold this barrel to me was hesitant on selling it to me. I called him and told him how I got this barrel clean, we was amazed as we both had scrubbed the heck out of this barrel with good bronze bristle brushes and JB to no avail. 308's are generally easy on barrels, and I bet this barrel had more than 400 rounds on it, but the throat was in perfect shape...just unreal hard cooked on carbon deposits.

The barrel will serve well as a long range deer rifle where few shots are fired through a season.





Edited by ackleyman (12/06/18 11:11 PM)

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#3176157 - 12/06/18 11:15 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: pyscodog]
jsh Offline
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Registered: 11/22/03
Posts: 194
Loc: Kansas U.S. of A
Originally Posted By: pyscodog
Does ANY of these cleaners work better than a good solvent and old fashioned elbow grease?


I can clean with two applications most of the time. That is maybe 4-6 patches down the bore total.
I don't own a bore scope. One local gent that has built a fair bunch of rifles has always said there is a fair bit more bore damage done buy over zealous cleaning than shooting. He uses some type of industrial ammonia, chrome moly and stainless. It will etch SS of not removed properly. He has used it for years and refuses to quit. 5 patches and his barrels are clean. I forget what kind of concoction he has that neutralizes the ammonia.

I use to do a lot of elbow grease and a lot of passes through the bore to get them clean.

As to the foam in the action, sometimes I use foam ear plugs other times I can use a piece of foam cut with a plug cutter, depending on the cartridge.

Heck I still use #9 on a regular basis for cleaning cast bullet shooters. I was raised on it and am partial to the scent. Makes good after shave, :-).

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#3176198 - 12/07/18 09:01 AM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: jsh]
Squeeze Offline
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Registered: 12/30/04
Posts: 2449
Loc: NW, Wi
Guys, I want to thank everyone for the great discussion on bore cleaning. I learned a bunch. And to think this all started by looking for a replacement for Break-Free BCF!

I have not encountered hard carbon that I couldn't get out with solvents and a brush. I am sure I will, so now I have some guidance on resolving that issue. So the lessons for me is: get a better selection of bronze and plastic bore brushes, get some Wipe-Out, for copper, and quick powder solvent removal, get some Bore Tech C4, and Tactical Advantage, and maybe some KG-1, just to have options going after carbon, and finally some JB Bore paste, and Free-All, which I should have around the shop anyway. I already have Montana Extreme solvents. I kind of drifted away from them, when I found foam. The bore scope is suggesting that may have been a mistake. I really wanted bore cleaning to be as simple as "Wipe Out". So much for the easy way out.

Keith's collection of penetrating oils looks like mine. That got a grin.

On a side note, I have a fairly new 260 Rem. barrel, from a well regarded barrel maker, that is refusing to give up its last traces of copper, and last night the bore scope showed some carbon streaks at the throat, that are fighting removal as well. So I have an example to experiment on with some of my new solvents and new knowledge. I did foam it, brush it, and re-foamed it last might. We shall see what it looks like when I get it patched out today.

Thanks again,
Squeeze
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#3176319 - 12/07/18 02:38 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: Squeeze]
DannoBoone Offline
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Registered: 03/08/10
Posts: 819
Loc: Walker, IA
When all else failed to clean a couple stainless barrels this
fall (including JB) I used Flitz Metal Polish as a last resort.
I used it with Kroil just as with JB paste. That finally cut
through the carbon. Nothing but shine revealed by the bore
scope now. Flitz does have some fine grit in it, so it's going
to be used only as a last resort.
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#3176333 - 12/07/18 03:13 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: Squeeze]
TripleDeuce660 Offline
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Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 2911
Loc: Las Vegas Nevada
I have not had any mess with the foam except on the 17 caliber. Wipe out works great on copper, but I can still get more carbon out. After wipe out I let ballistol soak for several hours to over night and then hit it with a brush. Alternatively, I do the same thing with #9. I dunno if its benchrest clean as I don't have a borescope, but it gets it MOA clean. That is good enough for me. Might try the gunslick but walley world by me doesn't have it.
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#3176403 - 12/07/18 08:22 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: TripleDeuce660]
desertcj Offline
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Registered: 01/02/15
Posts: 342
Loc: West
I have no stakes in JB or Kroil....lol. I'm just trying to help other guys. Maybe you have a cleaning system that works for you and that is awesome. This is what I have found to work for me. 

Montana extreme bore solvent...2 patches. Let soak for 15 minutes. Wipe with 1 patch again of bore solvent. 2 patches of Kroil. Wrap patch around 1 size smaller bore brush, rub JB into it. 30 strokes down and back the barrel. 1 patch of kroil on a jag. Go back to the brush with a patch of JB and 30 more strokes down and back. 2 patches of bore solvent to clean out the bore and I like to finish with Break free CLP personally. I use two patches of CLP. That's the cleanest I have ever seen. You could probably only use one 30 pass regiment on rifles normally cleaned this way?

Copied this from my older post on another forum...

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#3176578 - 12/08/18 05:22 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: Squeeze]
Dultimatpredator Offline
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Registered: 07/06/07
Posts: 2383
Loc: Wisconsin
Since I don't own a bore guide I just ran my straight shot through the Muzzel on my Ruger RAR 22wmr. I removed the bolt and installed a cleaning rod with a cotton tipped jag into the receiver end to block the foam from entering the action. It worked great.


Edited by Dultimatpredator (12/08/18 05:25 PM)

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#3176591 - 12/08/18 06:19 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: Dultimatpredator]
pahntr760 Offline
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Registered: 05/06/09
Posts: 12120
Loc: Osan, ROK
Originally Posted By: Dultimatpredator
Since I don't own a bore guide I just ran my straight shot through the Muzzel on my Ruger RAR 22wmr. I removed the bolt and installed a cleaning rod with a cotton tipped jag into the receiver end to block the foam from entering the action. It worked great.


Get 60¢ worth of tubing. Stuff it in the chamber and squirt. Its going the other way of the action and will be much cleaner.

And get a bore guide...they're cheap and protect the throat.
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#3176669 - 12/08/18 11:39 PM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: Squeeze]
Dultimatpredator Offline
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Registered: 07/06/07
Posts: 2383
Loc: Wisconsin
I agree with picking up a bore guide but I hate to tell you that spraying the foam the opposite way into the bore is not going to clean any better. Lol...the foam packed barrel brakes down to a complete watery liquid before I remove it. I don't think my barrel knows the difference which way the foam entered. If you believe that spraying foam into barrel one way vs the other will clean it better I've got some swamp land I'll sell you.


Edited by Dultimatpredator (12/08/18 11:45 PM)

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#3176676 - 12/09/18 12:20 AM Re: Foaming bore cleaner [Re: Dultimatpredator]
hm1996 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/06
Posts: 15318
Loc: S. Texas
I think he is referring to the action will be cleaner if foam inserted from breech w/tubing sealing chamber, thus preventing foam entering action. Plugging one end of a barrel and inserting foam from opposite end can also produce an air bubble toward the plugged end that does not get the full benefit of foaming action.

Regards,
hm
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