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#3175956 - 12/06/18 12:04 PM A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget?
KjBeachy Online
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Registered: 11/15/16
Posts: 116
Loc: VA - Virginia
**Disclaimer** These scopes are no longer for sale in store, you can only custom order them!

"The Evangelist Scopes" Most of you have probably never heard of them. I didn't either till the owner posted about them one day in the coyote hutning facebook group. He started out with a 4-12x40 and a 4-16x44. These were priced at around 100 to 150 dollars. His main advertising point was, they are made in Germany, and have German glass. At the time, i wasn't really interested because i wanted a scope with a 50mm objective.
It wasn't long till he came out with some more scopes for pre order. He had a 6-24x50 ffp and a 4-16x50 sfp for preorder. So i went ahead and preorderd the 4-16x50 because it was so cheap. $150. Well i waited. And waited. And waited. And waited. Finally i contacted im wondering what was taking so long. He said they were still being shipped across the waters. He also told me that since i had waited so long for my scope, he would give me a 4.5-18x50 he was prototyping. I gladly agreed to that. So for $150 i was getting a $400 scope.
It eventually came, and I was immedialty impressed with most things. Lets remember, this is a $400 scope. Also keep in mind i havent used really expensive glass, so this probably wont be a fair comparrison, but anway.
This is a feature rich scope:
Illuminated reticle
FFP
80 MOA of travel in the EXPOSED turrets
Lifetime warrenty
These are the main features of the scope.
So I began testing it. The glass is phenomanal for a $400 scope. Like i said, i havent used expensive glass, so i cant really compare it with anything, but it looks really good to me. For example, i shot a baseball at 650 yards with no problem at all seeing it. At 4.5, you do get some warp, but as soon as you start zooming, it disapears.
As far as low light, i haven't really tested that, so i cant speak to that.
I HATE the turrets, they feal really cheap, but it tracks really well. I haven't done extensive tests on the tracking, but i have shot out to 650 yards, and it tracked perfectly.
So over all i am impressed with the scopes that he builds. I would recommend his scopes for you guys out there that like budget scopes. I would say his are some of the best on the market at that price point. Like I said, he only does custom builds now, and you have to contact him on what you want built. His website is
www.jv-hunting.com






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#3176018 - 12/06/18 04:41 PM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: KjBeachy]
McGraw Offline
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Registered: 03/17/17
Posts: 251
Loc: Texas
Germany? Website says Centerville, South Dakota.

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#3176044 - 12/06/18 06:47 PM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: KjBeachy]
Brownie Offline
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Registered: 10/03/09
Posts: 2153
Loc: Walla Walla, Washington, U,S,A
Looks like a rebranded primary arms scope. I think they are the ones whose that weird oval rectangular center piece.

Monstrum tactical also uses the same body. I think the evangelists are selling you a Chinese scope. Did you ask who is building these? They may just be assembled in Germany with outsourced components.


Edited by Brownie (12/06/18 06:57 PM)
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#3176047 - 12/06/18 06:49 PM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: McGraw]
KjBeachy Online
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Registered: 11/15/16
Posts: 116
Loc: VA - Virginia
That is the sellers location. The scopes are built in gemrany and shipped to the us

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#3176077 - 12/06/18 08:02 PM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: KjBeachy]
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Registered: 03/17/17
Posts: 251
Loc: Texas
Maybe gr8fuldoug will recognize it and can tell us where itís sourced from.

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#3176115 - 12/06/18 09:04 PM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: KjBeachy]
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This whole post is fishy. Most scopes tend to get fuzzier as the magnification goes up. If this scope has "warp?" At 4.5 I can only imagine it gets worse as the power is increased.

"I haven't used expensive glass but it looks good to me" compared to??

"Hate the turrets they feel.cheap" on an apparently "custom ordered German scope"??

Call me an skeptic but sounds like a shameless plug with a review based on nothing but the fact that you were "upgraded" to a "better"scope because of a delay.

A baseball or a less than half MOA target at 650 yards was "clearly visible" and hit with no tracking test to confirm adjustments true to the graduation marked on the turret.





Edited by Brownie (12/06/18 09:05 PM)
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#3176151 - 12/06/18 10:26 PM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: Brownie]
KjBeachy Online
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Registered: 11/15/16
Posts: 116
Loc: VA - Virginia
Originally Posted By: Brownie
This whole post is fishy. Most scopes tend to get fuzzier as the magnification goes up. If this scope has "warp?" At 4.5 I can only imagine it gets worse as the power is increased.

"I haven't used expensive glass but it looks good to me" compared to??

"Hate the turrets they feel.cheap" on an apparently "custom ordered German scope"??

Call me an skeptic but sounds like a shameless plug with a review based on nothing but the fact that you were "upgraded" to a "better"scope because of a delay.

A baseball or a less than half MOA target at 650 yards was "clearly visible" and hit with no tracking test to confirm adjustments true to the graduation marked on the turret.




Let me explain
I thought i made it clear. This was NOT a custom scope. This is a prototype. He was considering building this in mass production, but decided against it.

Yes, scopes tend to get fuzzy at higher magnification. However, when i talk about "warp" at 4.5, im talking about the wide angle affect. Not a loss in quality

This glass is much better than the other cheaper glass i have used. I.e. vortex diamindback tatical

Before i shot the baseball i shot a steal plate to confirm i was close, then adjusted as needed.

As i stated earlier, this is a prototype, he was trying a different design on the turrets. Yes, they track, no, they don't induce the feeling of confidence when cramking on them, but it tracks.


I can see why you would call this review fishy. Trust me, it's not a plug. All i am saying is, at this price point, this is a supurb scope.


Edited by KjBeachy (12/06/18 10:27 PM)

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#3176171 - 12/07/18 01:16 AM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: KjBeachy]
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Registered: 12/04/06
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I hate when a product uses religion to make a sale. If its a good product, it should sell its self. "Oh so he's a good christian so I'll use him or buy his wares". Nope,doesn't work for me. Not bashing religion, just don't like it used as a sales pitch.

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#3176175 - 12/07/18 06:37 AM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: pyscodog]
KjBeachy Online
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Registered: 11/15/16
Posts: 116
Loc: VA - Virginia
Originally Posted By: pyscodog
I hate when a product uses religion to make a sale. If its a good product, it should sell its self. "Oh so he's a good christian so I'll use him or buy his wares". Nope,doesn't work for me. Not bashing religion, just don't like it used as a sales pitch.


I totally agree. I told him he should change it. He didn't like that idea at all

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#3176221 - 12/07/18 10:13 AM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: KjBeachy]
liliysdad Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 1084
Loc: Oklahoma
This scope is absolutely not German....its just another version of the same old recycled Chinese scope thats been on the market for years.


I'll pass...

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#3176227 - 12/07/18 10:32 AM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: liliysdad]
KjBeachy Online
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Registered: 11/15/16
Posts: 116
Loc: VA - Virginia
Originally Posted By: liliysdad
This scope is absolutely not German....its just another version of the same old recycled Chinese scope thats been on the market for years.


I'll pass...


Not to be rude, but how do you know?

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#3176241 - 12/07/18 11:05 AM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: KjBeachy]
KjBeachy Online
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Registered: 11/15/16
Posts: 116
Loc: VA - Virginia
Since yall guys can't seem to get what im saying, let me put it in plain letters for you.
This is a perfectly good scope for a person on a budget. Yes, there are other good choices out there, but this one works.

It's like the difference between a snap on tool and a harbour freight tool. The harbour freight tool might not be the quality of a snap on, BUT IT WORKS
No, im not saying you should give up your zeiss or NF for this scope, im just saying it's a tool that work.


And for the record, if you didn't realize, on most popular scopes out there, you pay for the brand name, not the scope.


Edited by KjBeachy (12/07/18 11:09 AM)

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#3176273 - 12/07/18 12:13 PM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: KjBeachy]
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Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 4256
Loc: NM
Getting something made in Germany and selling it at the price of low end Asian manufactured scopes seems really impossible (too good to be true). Maybe a sweat-shop of illegal Syrian refugees.

From your description it wouldn't be something I'd even accept on a low end scope from Buschnell, Vortex or any of the common manufactures. Fisheye on the low end and fuzzy on the high just don't cut it, even a Mueller APV is better than that and they have a lifetime warranty.
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#3176274 - 12/07/18 12:14 PM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: McGraw]
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Originally Posted By: McGraw
Maybe gr8fuldoug will recognize it and can tell us where itís sourced from.


Never heard of it, I'm sorry
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#3176289 - 12/07/18 12:57 PM Re: A review of the JV Hunting Evangelist Scope. The best scope on a budget? [Re: KjBeachy]
liliysdad Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 1084
Loc: Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: KjBeachy
Originally Posted By: liliysdad
This scope is absolutely not German....its just another version of the same old recycled Chinese scope thats been on the market for years.


I'll pass...


Not to be rude, but how do you know?


You can be rude, I don't mind.

I know because the price tells me. I know because the junk quality you reported tells me. I know because I have watched these hokey things for a couple of years now on the various FB groups. I know because I have seen that same scope body on Chinese scopes for years.

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