How come no one has mentioned the recent shooting in Florida?

pyscodog

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Just curious.
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The guy doesn't deserve the attention. Honestly, I can't believe school shootings are still happening when it would be so easy to prevent. These aren't professional killers. A law enforcement presence at the door would put an end to it, or metal detectors, just a couple thoughts off the top of my head.
 
I was at a LGS today and they told me they had heard there was a second shooter. And someone on the inside let him in the school. I hadn't heard any of that BS.Of course the "anti's" are screaming for more gun control. SMH. Its truly a shame it keeps happening but there are alot of balls that were dropped on this one.
 
There wasn't a second shooter and nobody let him in the building. Geez... people shouldn't talk about things they know nothing about.
 
Originally Posted By: 204 ARThe guy doesn't deserve the attention. Honestly, I can't believe school shootings are still happening when it would be so easy to prevent. These aren't professional killers. A law enforcement presence at the door would put an end to it, or metal detectors, just a couple thoughts off the top of my head.


Agreed.
Evil cannot be stopped entirely, but for God’s sake let’s try to at least slow it down!
I’ve heard of several schools that had security officers but lost funding so they don’t have them now. That’s insane.
 
I agree with 204 as well, guy doesn't deserve the attention. Beside the regular media is flogging it passed a dead equine.
There's no need to have the families relive this for the years the trial. Find someone with the stones and turn his head into a canoe with a poleaxe
 
Originally Posted By: GCThere wasn't a second shooter and nobody let him in the building. Geez... people shouldn't talk about things they know nothing about.

Agree! I have no idea where this crap came from. Didn't feel like a debate so I just let it go. Personally, I don't see the need for a trial. Get a rope, hang the SOB.....end of story.
 
Well maybe we men need to step up. I have 3 in school. If every dad would volunteer 1 or 2 days a year we would have security covered. And I guarantee you would have retired military or le people in the community step up also. Make some training available and run background checks. These shooters are usually students or former students at the very school they shoot up so they would know there is someone there armed and they most likely would never attempt this bs.
 
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-statement-on-the-shooting-in-parkland-florida


totall preventable. the FBI dropped the ball on this, now twice, this [beeep] knuckle was reported to the FBI as a threat, and nothing happened.

so either through dereliction of duty, or straight up intent to let this little [beeep] run around and shoot up a bunch of people, 17 family's are now suffering.


how in the h#ll does someone get reported to the FBI twice about being a direct threat like this in several months, and still walk around freely with a firearm?????
 
Things didn't get that far before something was done by peers or community or family or neighborhood fathers in the past years for the most part.
Kids that mistreated animals or other kids would receive correction they could understand from somebody.

Sometimes mean fathers would be tuned up also.

So what has happened?

Lawsuits.

What keeps fathers from making schools safe?
Lawsuits.

The first time a father took hold of a boys shoulder and spun him around and informed him that bad behavior would not be tolerated everyone from the custodian to the governor would be sued.

This stuff would not be hard to stop if it were not for the law suits.
just my opinion
 
Provide the deterrent so the crazy can't get onto the school, and the crazy will do something else. When school lets out, you have 100's of students scattering in all directions from the school, it would be just as easy for a crazy to be waiting n a vehicle, ready to jump out and start spraying bullets.

It is a mental health issue, not an issue that is black and white with a simple black and white answer. We had a saying in Vietnam, "Chit happens, get over it." We as a nation are a violent people, we reap what we sow.
 
Originally Posted By: dogcatcherWe as a nation are a violent people, we reap what we sow.

I would expand on that by saying that, in general, human animals are violent. We've killed each other for thousands of years, what makes people think we're going to stop now just because we're "civilized?" All progress has done is give us better ways to kill more of each other faster and with less work.
 
Several of the people I know think that taking guns away will solve everything. They are 70 year old hippies that still wear peace beads and have flowers in their hair or live in small town Oklahoma where the most violent thing they see is the town stray dog humping the banker wife poodle. People have been killing people since Christ was a pope and will continue to do so. Its to bad the AR-15 happens to be weapon of choice. Could have been a car or a bomb, dead is dead.
 
It's a social issue, we have allowed the pussification of America to destroy our culture. Participation trophies, no personal responsibility, chemical dependency that changes brain chemistry, social and popular media that celebrates the perverse and glorifies bad behavior. Then when it all catches up and some snowflake carries out their fantasy the dim witted cries and wrings their hands for the government to save them.
 
Hello gentlemen, every time something like this happens, it takes me back about 12 years to when I worked in the boat building industry here in frigid Minnesota. If it’s ok with you I would like to share my experiece with something related to this subject. I worked for this company, at that time 28 years, I worked for the private owner, and after he sold it to a corporation. After the last corporation purchased the company, morale just tanked, it wasn’t that friendly company that we were use to working for..
Here’s what happened to me. I was siting on my dinner break,b.s.ing with a few of the guys I work with, we were discussing how things had changed since the new ownership had taken control. Two of the guys in the group started to discuss how they would like to rube out our plant supervisor and plant manager, they went into quite detail on how they would do it. I made it clear to them that we didnt need this kind of talk, and even if it was b.s. we have enough crazies working here that don’t need to have these kind of ideas put in their heads. They kinda poke fun at me at the time for being a butt kisser. I went back to work , and it bothered me the rest of day. I went home that night and discussed this with my wife, I told her it might be just a bunch of b.s. but how would I feel if something happened and I could have stopped it.
The next day I went back to work, I went to the HR dept and talked to the lady in charge, she said she would look into it, I thought, ok, I did what I could do, and left it at that... Now here’s were $hit goes wacky.... I get called into the HR office, and there sits a county sheriffs officer, he introduced himself to me and asked me to sit down, the head of the HR dept was also there. She told me that she personally had interviewed the two gentlemen I had told her that had made the threats, and that they had denied saying anything. There was a little pause, and then she said that if they denied it, I MUST BE THE THEAT !!
That’s when the Deputy sheriff came unglued !!!! He said “ This gentleman comes to you with a potential threat and he is treated like this”. She informed him that this is company policy, and that I was to be suspended from work till further notice, and that I was to be evaluated by a Psychiatrist, of their choosing, before being allowed back on this boat companies property. She also asked the Deputy to escort me off the property...As I was leaving the deputy just kept saying “ This is wrong this is just so wrong” I remember making the comment “ I guess I gotta go see a shrink “ .... Well, two days latter,I get a call saying, I had a psychiatrist appt in Detroit Lakes Minnesota. Which is 35 miles from where I live. I met with him and we discussed what had taken place, and he had also received a letter from the plant, where I worked discribbing the situation too, the company also asked that my wife be interviewed separately, to which he did. After my wife’s interview, he asked for me to come back in the room, And in an angry tone he told us, “ he didn’t understand what I was sent there for, that I did the right thing in bringing this potential problem to the attention of my HR dept, He also made the comment “I’m guessing they don’t like you for some reason, and that he had real people problems he needed to try and fix.” He then said he was going to sign a release stating that I was to return to work immediately, and that he was also going to put a note in my release that he didn’t appreciate them wasting his time on problems that are not there.. As we left he told my wife as well as myself that he is not suppose to give legal advice, but he highly recommend we get a attorney and go after them....
Well, I returned back to work the next day, I marched right into the HR depts office. And handed my release to the lady who started all my troubles, she read it, and then got down to the personal note that “ THEIR “ Psychiatrist had sent her, she felt she needed to read it to me, and then commented “ He said your not nuts, but that’s just one mans opinion” I told her this is the shrink you choose for me to see !!! She said “ GO BACK TO WORK”...
I worked for this company for another 2 years, in that time, I was mocked by the plant manager, as well as the plant supervisor, about having to have my head examined. I thought I was doing these guys a favor. oh yes, then I was threatened buy the two guys I turned in.
In hind site I see what this great employee friendly company was trying to do,
They didn’t want the press or their stock holder to get a whiff of what was going on,
It’s just easier for them to shut down the messenger.... I like to think I maybe saved a couple lives by doing what I did..
Would I ever get involved if I ever heard that someone was planing this kind of thing again NO WAY !!!!!!!!!! Good luck to everyone out there, but My loyalties are to my wife and family.

Thanks again for listening to my ranting, it kinda therapy for me.
 
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Originally Posted By: CrippleoneHello gentlemen, every time something like this happens, it takes me back about 12 years to when I worked in the boat building industry here in frigid Minnesota. If it’s ok with you I would like to share my experiece with something related to this subject. I worked for this company, at that time 28 years, I worked for the private owner, and after he sold it to a corporation. After the last corporation purchased the company, morale just tanked, it wasn’t that friendly company that we were use to working for..
Here’s what happened to me. I was siting on my dinner break,b.s.ing with a few of the guys I work with, we were discussing how things had changed since the new ownership had taken control. Two of the guys in the group started to discuss how they would like to rube out our plant supervisor and plant manager, they went into quite detail on how they would do it. I made it clear to them that we didnt need this kind of talk, and even if it was b.s. we have enough crazies working here that don’t need to have these kind of ideas put in their heads. They kinda poke fun at me at the time for being a butt kisser. I went back to work , and it bothered me the rest of day. I went home that night and discussed this with my wife, I told her it might be just a bunch of b.s. but how would I feel if something happened and I could have stopped it.
The next day I went back to work, I went to the HR dept and talked to the lady in charge, she said she would look into it, I thought, ok, I did what I could do, and left it at that... Now here’s were $hit goes wacky.... I get called into the HR office, and there sits a county sheriffs officer, he introduced himself to me and asked me to sit down, the head of the HR dept was also there. She told me that she personally had interviewed the two gentlemen I had told her that had made the threats, and that they had denied saying anything. There was a little pause, and then she said that if they denied it, I MUST BE THE THEAT !!
That’s when the Deputy sheriff came unglued !!!! He said “ This gentleman comes to you with a potential threat and he is treated like this”. She informed him that this is company policy, and that I was to be suspended from work till further notice, and that I was to be evaluated by a Psychiatrist, of their choosing, before being allowed back on Lund boat company property. She also asked the Deputy to escort me off the property...As I was leaving the deputy just kept saying “ This is wrong this is just so wrong” I remember making the comment “ I guess I gotta go see a shrink “ .... Well, two days latter,I get a call saying, I had a psychiatrist appt in Detroit Lakes Minnesota. Which is 35 miles from where I live. I met with him and we discussed what had taken place, and he had also received a letter from the plant, where I worked discribbing the situation too, the company also asked that my wife be interviewed separately, to which he did. After my wife’s interview, he asked for me to come back in the room, And in an angry tone he told us, “ he didn’t understand what I was sent there for, that I did the right thing in bringing this potential problem to the attention of my HR dept, He also made the comment “I’m guessing they don’t like you for some reason, and that he had real people problems he needed to try and fix.” He then said he was going to sign a release stating that I was to return to work immediately, and that he was also going to put a note in my release that he didn’t appreciate them wasting his time on problems that are not there.. As we left he told my wife as well as myself that he is not suppose to give legal advice, but he highly recommend we get a attorney and go after them....
Well, I returned back to work the next day, I marched right into the HR depts office. And handed my release to the lady who started all my troubles, she read it, and then got down to the personal note that “ THEIR “ Psychiatrist had sent her, she felt she needed to read it to me, and then commented “ He said your not nuts, but that’s just one mans opinion” I told her this is the shrink you choose for me to see !!! She said “ GO BACK TO WORK”...
I worked for this company for another 2 years, in that time, I was mocked by the plant manager, as well as the plant supervisor, about having to have my head examined. I thought I was doing these guys a favor. oh yes, then I was threatened buy the two guys I turned in.
In hind site I see what this great employee friendly company was trying to do,
They didn’t want the press or their stock holder to get a whiff of what was going on,
It’s just easier for them to shut down the messenger.... I like to think I maybe saved a couple lives by doing what I did..
Would I get involved again, NO WAY !!!!!!!!!!

Thanks again for listening to my ranting, it kinda therapy for me.

Sounds to me like a set up to squeeze you out before you could draw retirement or something to that effect. Out HR department is also a joke. It's one of the many drawbacks of working for a large corporation.
 
No there was no retirement plan in place there, and no not just me, two years latter along with me, they let go 141 other employees, that had 20 years or more in the company. Then Within the next two weeks they replaced us with all new employees at starting wage and benefits.. the kicker here was the government had a program at that time that payed part of the wages for companies that would hire new employees.
That’s not my point here, my point is that like our liberal run schools they would just rather put there heads in the sand than address the real problems.
 
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