US Gov't to Make Surplus 1911's Available Through CMP
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Originally Posted By: BitmanHave you seen the hoops you have to jump through to get one?
They will all be graded, and starting at $1000.00
Most guys I've talked with aren't going to pay the price.
I do suspect they will be pricey, but I'm unable to find where they have announced any pricing. Can you point us to a price list somewhere?
Quote: Once 10,000 orders are received, the CMP will assign a random number to each customer. These customers will be contacted in sequence with the grading and pricing options that are then available. No timeline for release or pricing information is currently available.
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/h-r-2810-military-surplus-1911s-public/
Regards,
hm
They will all be graded, and starting at $1000.00
Most guys I've talked with aren't going to pay the price.
I do suspect they will be pricey, but I'm unable to find where they have announced any pricing. Can you point us to a price list somewhere?
Quote: Once 10,000 orders are received, the CMP will assign a random number to each customer. These customers will be contacted in sequence with the grading and pricing options that are then available. No timeline for release or pricing information is currently available.
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/h-r-2810-military-surplus-1911s-public/
Regards,
hm
Straight from the horse's mouth:
Originally Posted By: CMP Web Page
2.Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt. CMP will price at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.
AND:
Concerning sale price of the 1911s: CMP has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+ years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced at fair market value just like our M1 Garands. The CMP's enabling legislation directs sales of items at fair market value.
Have received a couple of rifles through CMP (formerly DCM) and witnessed many received by our DCM club and club members over the years and all have been satisfied with the product. One club member enclosed a note with his order stating he planned to compete with the rifle and would really like to receive a national match rifle. I/we all were amused when told of this......until he showed up at a match with an almost new NM Garand!
As for all the hoops, remember, the main mission of DCM/CMP is and has always been to promote civilian marksmanship, not firearms collecting, thus the mandate that those ordering weapons be DCM/CMP affiliated club members. Most state rifle associations are affiliated with the CMP.
While the double background check does, at first glance, seem a bit extreme, in this day and age, I can understand this extra step in order to avoid ANY possibility of the uproar of the left should a CMP firearm be delivering to someone who might misuse it:
Originally Posted By: CMP Web Page
Reasons for the two NICS checks:
First Reason: The first NICS check makes sure the customer can legally possess the 1911 type pistol prior to shipping it to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL dealer. The CMP, Congress, and the United States Army do not want the 1911 to have to be shipped back to CMP 1911 if the purchaser is not legal to possess. The more in transit the pistol is, the more likely it could be lost or stolen. The second NICS check is performed by the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL in accordance with their standard transfer procedures.
Second Reason: CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress specifies that the purchaser “successfully pass a thorough and complete background check”, i.e. NICS. CMP cannot turn any firearm over to the purchaser until it receives a “proceed” from NICS, the local FFL can turn the pistol over after 72 business hours have elapsed if they have not heard back from NICS. Turning the pistol over after 72 hours and not getting a “proceed” does not satisfy CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress. This leaves CMP no choice but to have a NICS check done and get a “proceed” to satisfy its enabling legislation, before shipping to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL.
Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by an FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one the information provided by CMP to NICS and the second the information will be provided to NICS by the FFL dealer in which the pistol is shipped.
Regards,
hm
Originally Posted By: CMP Web Page
2.Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt. CMP will price at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.
AND:
Concerning sale price of the 1911s: CMP has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+ years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced at fair market value just like our M1 Garands. The CMP's enabling legislation directs sales of items at fair market value.
Have received a couple of rifles through CMP (formerly DCM) and witnessed many received by our DCM club and club members over the years and all have been satisfied with the product. One club member enclosed a note with his order stating he planned to compete with the rifle and would really like to receive a national match rifle. I/we all were amused when told of this......until he showed up at a match with an almost new NM Garand!
As for all the hoops, remember, the main mission of DCM/CMP is and has always been to promote civilian marksmanship, not firearms collecting, thus the mandate that those ordering weapons be DCM/CMP affiliated club members. Most state rifle associations are affiliated with the CMP.
While the double background check does, at first glance, seem a bit extreme, in this day and age, I can understand this extra step in order to avoid ANY possibility of the uproar of the left should a CMP firearm be delivering to someone who might misuse it:
Originally Posted By: CMP Web Page
Reasons for the two NICS checks:
First Reason: The first NICS check makes sure the customer can legally possess the 1911 type pistol prior to shipping it to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL dealer. The CMP, Congress, and the United States Army do not want the 1911 to have to be shipped back to CMP 1911 if the purchaser is not legal to possess. The more in transit the pistol is, the more likely it could be lost or stolen. The second NICS check is performed by the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL in accordance with their standard transfer procedures.
Second Reason: CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress specifies that the purchaser “successfully pass a thorough and complete background check”, i.e. NICS. CMP cannot turn any firearm over to the purchaser until it receives a “proceed” from NICS, the local FFL can turn the pistol over after 72 business hours have elapsed if they have not heard back from NICS. Turning the pistol over after 72 hours and not getting a “proceed” does not satisfy CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress. This leaves CMP no choice but to have a NICS check done and get a “proceed” to satisfy its enabling legislation, before shipping to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL.
Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by an FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one the information provided by CMP to NICS and the second the information will be provided to NICS by the FFL dealer in which the pistol is shipped.
Regards,
hm