Anti-Gun Group proposes MUZZLELOADER Control!

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As I stated in a PREVIOUS THREAD "the problem with gun control proposals" is that they are hatched by the uninformed or downright dishonest MSM/OR progressive politicians who are more interested in control than guns. I do understand why Gabriel Gifford would suffer from hoplophobia, but targeting muzzle loaders just proves that the gun-grabbers will exploit liberal lawmakers' and the public's ignorance in regard to guns combined with phony claims in an effort to completely strip citizens of their 2nd Amendment rights.

You just can't make up this latest example of their intent to "control" ALL firearms INCLUDING muzzleloaders.

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Gabby Giffords’s Gun Control Group Releases Report Warning of Muzzleloaders, Other Firearms

BY: Stephen Gutowski Follow @@StephenGutowski
November 16, 2017 5:00 am

Former congresswoman Gabby Giffords's gun control group released a report on Wednesday warning of the dangers of muzzle loading rifles, a number of other firearms, and some firearms accessories and calling for new gun control measures targeting the devices.

The group, which recently changed its name from Americans for Responsible Solutions to Giffords, said in a release its report was intended to identify "extremely lethal firearms and devices" that it believes skirt current firearms laws. "Giffords—the gun violence organization founded by former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and her husband, combat veteran and retired NASA astronaut, Captain Mark Kelly—are calling on Congress to update federal gun laws so these accessories can’t turn a firearm into a military-style weapon," the group said in a statement.

The report includes nine examples of firearms or firearms products the group feels are a danger to society. The list includes certain kinds of ammunition, trigger devices that increase the rate of fire of a semi-automatic rifle, what the group describes as "high capacity shotguns," AK and AR style pistols with stabilizing braces, and muzzleloaders. The group said the gun industry is attempting to circumvent the National Firearms Act (NFA) and other federal gun laws through the manufacture of each of the products.

Muzzleloaders, the group said, are dangerous because they are specifically exempted from the NFA and it accuses the gun industry of trying to exploit that exemption.

"These laws prohibit convicted felons and other dangerous people from possessing guns, require gun retailers to be licensed, and require licensed retailers to conduct background checks on purchasers," the report said. "There is one blanket exception to these laws, however: the exception for antique firearms, including muzzleloaders. The gun industry is determined to exploit this exception."

Muzzleloaders, which require gunpowder and a projectile to be manually loaded down barrel of the firearm before each shot, and other antique firearms are exempt from the NFA. The antique firearm exemption applies to "any firearm not intended or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898 and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade," according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

The group views the centuries-old firearms technology, which was rendered obsolete shortly after the Civil War due to advancements in self-contained ammunition cartridges and semi-automatic; self-loading firearms, as dangerous because a silencer can legally be attached to it without the paperwork or tax stamp associated with other firearms silencers.

"Cue the .50 caliber muzzleloader, which delivers a particularly lethal .50 caliber round," the report said. "This weapon is designed with a built-in device to suppress its sound. If any other firearm were built with such a device, it would be subject to the NFA as a silencer. But since this device is designed to suppress the sound of something that is exempt from federal firearms laws, it is not considered a silencer and not subject to the NFA. In fact, it is not subject to any laws at all and can be bought online."

The group called on Congress to take action and pass new laws restricting muzzleloaders and the other products outlined in the report.

"Before bump stocks were used to kill 58 people and maim hundreds of others enjoying an outdoor concert, most Americans had never heard of the device," David Chipman, a Giffords senior policy adviser, said in a statement. Congress has the responsibility to look forward not just backward. It’s time for them to show courage and leadership by drawing a line in the sand and saying they will defend the safety of Americans over an industry trying to line its pockets."

http://freebeacon.com/issues/gabby-giffo...aders-firearms/

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hm
 
They probably want to outright ban fully automatic "military style" muzzleloaders - especially the black ones.

I read recently that in one New England capitol (CT) there are a pair of authentic antique muzzleloaders on display. Someone decided they had to have trigger locks. Brilliant.

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I'm sending my Omega back to T/C, the built in suppressor is missing. Once I get it back I'm going to turn it into a fully automatic for deer hunting.
 
gabby giffords group of rejects claims

"These laws prohibit convicted felons and other dangerous people from possessing guns"

yeah, how is that working out gabby?
 
Originally Posted By: GIFFORDS "Cue the .50 caliber muzzleloader, which delivers a particularly lethal .50 caliber round," the report said. "This weapon is designed with a built-in device to suppress its sound. If any other firearm were built with such a device, it would be subject to the NFA as a silencer. But since this device is designed to suppress the sound of something that is exempt from federal firearms laws, it is not considered a silencer and not subject to the NFA. In fact, it is not subject to any laws at all and can be bought online."

I need some enlightenment from all you outlaws that have suppressors on your flintlocks. Do you remove the suppressor each time to reload and then re-install? If not, how do you keep half the powder charge from lodging in the baffles of the suppressor? Oh, and do you have any trouble with the patch hanging up on the baffles? Inquiring minds want to know!

One other question. I have a blunderbuss which, due to the shorter length would be more suited to add a foot long suppressor than my already 6' long Brown Bess. Where can I get a suppressor to fit the larger flared muzzle?

So many possibilities.

Now, once my background check clears, I can pick up my lance at the FLL (Federal Lance Licensed dealer) and if I can just remember where I parked Rocinante, I'm off to find a windmill to joust a la Don Quixote!

Note: If these names have slipped your memory over the years, you might wish to refresh your memory by clicking on above links.
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hm
 
the one in question is a new design that has an integrated suppressor. if it was detachable it would be an NFA item, since it isn't it's not.

it's a new rifle that has an MSRP of about $700 as I recall.
 
Why don't they regulate car mufflers you could quietly lance a projectile from your tail pipe?

Next they will go after 27 caliber nail guns... where there is a will there is a way. In college we had a potato gun made out of pvc, hairspray ignited that would sling a potato at a speed you would not want to be hit with. Surprised we have yet to have someone go full on retard with an atlatl...
 
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762Why don't they regulate car mufflers you could quietly lance a projectile from your tail pipe?

Next they will go after 27 caliber nail guns... where there is a will there is a way. In college we had a potato gun made out of pvc, hairspray ignited that would sling a potato at a speed you would not want to be hit with. Surprised we have yet to have someone go full on retard with an atlatl...



Now that you mention it, I'm surprised nobody has brought up the truck used in the recent New York attack was fully automatic. We NEED common sense truck control!

God bless
 
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762Why don't they regulate car mufflers you could quietly lance a projectile from your tail pipe?

Next they will go after 27 caliber nail guns... where there is a will there is a way. In college we had a potato gun made out of pvc, hairspray ignited that would sling a potato at a speed you would not want to be hit with. Surprised we have yet to have someone go full on retard with an atlatl...



That brought back memories, I need to built another tater gun.
 
Originally Posted By: vahunterOriginally Posted By: Infidel 762Why don't they regulate car mufflers you could quietly lance a projectile from your tail pipe?

Next they will go after 27 caliber nail guns... where there is a will there is a way. In college we had a potato gun made out of pvc, hairspray ignited that would sling a potato at a speed you would not want to be hit with. Surprised we have yet to have someone go full on retard with an atlatl...



That brought back memories, I need to built another tater gun.

Whatever you do, DON'T paint it black and you better not build it with a detachable hair spray can or a semi-automatic charcoal lighter; any of those attributes will make it an assault spud gun!

Regards,
hm
 
Simple fix, get rid of every dam one of them. These people have had a silver spoon too dam long. I bet her security detail has Class 3, how many of us do? Its just straight up control, nothing else.
 
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