Predator Masters using UBB.threads ™ Infopop Corporation.
PM Gear Moon & Weather

Welcome to the Predator Masters Forums
Be sure to visit the main Predator Master website at





PM Gear
PM Gear
PM Gear
The Official Predator Masters Search Engine
Search Predator Masters

Page 1 of 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 >
Topic Options
#3094562 - 10/02/17 08:44 AM Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured
Foxpro.223 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 1515
Loc: WY
Originally Posted By: FoxNews
Las Vegas shooting: At least 50 dead, more than 200 injured in massacre

A gunman turned a Las Vegas concert into a killing field Sunday night, murdering at least 50 people and injuring more than 200 others in the deadliest mass shooting in modern United States history.

The suspect, who was killed, was identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, a resident of Mesquite. Police initially sought a woman believed to be Paddock's roommate, Marilou Danley, as "person of interest." Detectives later made contact with her, and "do not believe she is involved with the shooting on the strip."

Gunfire erupts outside Mandalay Bay casino
Video

Cellphone video captures moment Vegas shooting started

Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said the dead gunman is believed to have checked in as a hotel guest, but did not immediately reveal a motive.


Authorities said two on-duty Las Vegas Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department officers were injured during shooting. One in stable condition after surgery, and the other sustained minor injuries. Two off-duty police officers attending the concert were killed.

President Donald Trump tweeted his condolences to the victims of the Las Vegas massacre, saying "My warmest condolences and sympathies to the victims and families of the terrible Las Vegas shooting. God bless you!"

The gunman, who fired down on the Route 91 Harvest Festival from a room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, was killed by police.



Federal law enforcement sources told Fox News that Paddock "was known to local authorities" in Vegas, and multiple weapons were found in his hotel room

At this time, federal officials do not see any connection to international terrorism and little is known about Paddock's motivation, sources said.

Authorities first received calls about an active shooting at about 10:08 p.m. Country music star Jason Aldean was performing at the Route 91 Harvest Festival when the gunfire erupted.

Aldean was performing his last song of the night. Initially, those in attendance said they thought the sound was firecrackers. But as the shots continued, Aldean stopped singing and some concertgoers could be heard yelling to each other to get down.

One witness told KSVN that he heard “hundreds of shots.” The gunfire was rapid and reportedly confused with firecrackers.

"It sounded like a machine gun," one vendor told Fox News. "It sounded like more than one machine gun."

Authorities said law enforcement swarmed the hotel and killed the gunman in a room on the 32nd floor. Responding officers used an explosive device to force the door open into the room to shoot Paddock dead, law enforcement officials told Fox News.

Country singer Jake Owen, who performed before Aldean, told Fox News the gunfire was "non-stop."

Fox News Full Article
_________________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” ~ Richard Henry Lee
2 Corinthians 3:17




Top
#3094570 - 10/02/17 10:02 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Flesh Eater Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/09/17
Posts: 665
Loc: 2D Pennsylvania
406 reported injured this morning.

No idea what the motive was. If it's politically based, I fear what America's future might look like within these coming months.
_________________________
We keep odd hours.

Top
#3094575 - 10/02/17 10:21 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Flesh Eater]
fw707 Offline
Retired Moderator

Registered: 03/18/09
Posts: 9466
Loc: Roadside watermelon stand
I gotta say this sounds unlikely, but I just got this on a news feed:

02 October 2017
14:13 GMT
Islamic State terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the Las Vegas shooting, Reuters reports, citing group’s Amaq news agency.
The shooter has converted to Islam “months ago,”

*
_________________________
“better the hard truth, I say, than the comforting fantasy.”

Carl Sagan

Top
#3094576 - 10/02/17 10:30 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: fw707]
fw707 Offline
Retired Moderator

Registered: 03/18/09
Posts: 9466
Loc: Roadside watermelon stand
Fox News just mentioned the possibility of an IS connection.



Edit:

More from the news feed:

“The Las Vegas attack was carried out by a soldier of the Islamic State and he carried it out in response to calls to target states of the coalition,” Reuters cited the Amaq, IS-affiliated website. “The Las Vegas attacker converted to Islam a few months ago.”


*
_________________________
“better the hard truth, I say, than the comforting fantasy.”

Carl Sagan

Top
#3094594 - 10/02/17 11:36 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
vahunter Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 01/20/07
Posts: 2170
Loc: Virginia
I bet Schumer and Fenstein are already screaming gun control.
_________________________
Al Gore did not invent the internet but he did make up global warming.

Top
#3094596 - 10/02/17 11:41 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: vahunter]
Tbone-AZ Offline
PM senior

Registered: 10/04/12
Posts: 6884
Loc: AZ, Phoenix
Originally Posted By: vahunter
I bet Schumer and Fenstein are already screaming gun control.


That didn't take long.. The people involved are still in the hospital ER, and they are already blaming the gun.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/02/democrat...g-massacre.html

Hillary has already been bashing the NRA.
8 hours ago. So just hours after the shooting.
http://variety.com/2017/music/news/hillary-clinton-nra-las-vegas-shooting-1202577732/
_________________________
Have fun being an [beeep].. I hope it's all you hoped for.

Top
#3094598 - 10/02/17 11:44 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Flesh Eater Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/09/17
Posts: 665
Loc: 2D Pennsylvania
I don't think there is any confirmation on the ISIS link. They'd claim anything they could get their hands on.

Is anyone really buying the control BS now? It didn't help Nice, France!
_________________________
We keep odd hours.

Top
#3094605 - 10/02/17 11:55 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Flesh Eater]
Tbone-AZ Offline
PM senior

Registered: 10/04/12
Posts: 6884
Loc: AZ, Phoenix
Originally Posted By: Flesh Eater
I don't think there is any confirmation on the ISIS link. They'd claim anything they could get their hands on.

Is anyone really buying the control BS now? It didn't help Nice, France!


If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.

For those that want more gun control (bans) who do they call when there is a shooting?? (someone with guns)
They can't wait to try and use things like this..

IF this comes out to be another leftist bernie/Hillary supporter.. The GOP needs to make the DEMs eat their words, and call them out over and over until it's just a pulp of a dead horse.

We all know it's going to be.. Right wing people are not going to show up and shoot up a country concert.
_________________________
Have fun being an [beeep].. I hope it's all you hoped for.

Top
#3094606 - 10/02/17 11:55 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Bad Dawg Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 1084
Loc: Michigan, United States
Yeah, but the sad reality is, if this isn't terrorist related there is a strong chance that the perp was a gun rights proponent. If this is the case, it makes this incident much more devastating. It will eventually be us law abiding gun owners who suffer the consequences indirectly. Very, very sad!

What a tragedy. These people were out having a good time and many lives were shattered in the blink of an eye by the actions of a selfish, hate fueled pos. Something needs to eventually change.
_________________________
~The Yote Stops Here~

~Age and Wisdom Have Nothing In Common~

~I’m half deaf. If only I can become half blind, I’ll have found peace~

Top
#3094607 - 10/02/17 11:55 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Flesh Eater]
fw707 Offline
Retired Moderator

Registered: 03/18/09
Posts: 9466
Loc: Roadside watermelon stand
Originally Posted By: Flesh Eater
I don't think there is any confirmation on the ISIS link. They'd claim anything they could get their hands on.

Is anyone really buying the control BS now? It didn't help Nice, France!


FBI says no connection now.
_________________________
“better the hard truth, I say, than the comforting fantasy.”

Carl Sagan

Top
#3094612 - 10/02/17 12:03 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Tbone-AZ]
SlickerThanSnot Offline
PM senior

Registered: 01/31/14
Posts: 5759
Loc: stuck in a fence
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ

If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.



return fire to a guy 32 stories up with a ccw? seriously? smile
_________________________
skeptical is what i am when told there is a dead coyote in certain far off pictures.

Top
#3094613 - 10/02/17 12:04 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
Bad Dawg Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 1084
Loc: Michigan, United States
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
[quote=Tbone-AZ
If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.



return fire to a guy 32 stories up with a ccw? seriously? smile [/quote]

I agree. There is very little a handgun would have done to stop the perp in this incident.
_________________________
~The Yote Stops Here~

~Age and Wisdom Have Nothing In Common~

~I’m half deaf. If only I can become half blind, I’ll have found peace~

Top
#3094615 - 10/02/17 12:11 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
fw707 Offline
Retired Moderator

Registered: 03/18/09
Posts: 9466
Loc: Roadside watermelon stand
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ

If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.



return fire to a guy 32 stories up with a ccw? seriously? smile



lol
_________________________
“better the hard truth, I say, than the comforting fantasy.”

Carl Sagan

Top
#3094620 - 10/02/17 12:22 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
reported distance was about 1200 feet. I know I wouldn't have been able to put rounds through his window with a pistol. maybe I coulda hit some folks in rooms all around him...
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3094623 - 10/02/17 12:29 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Flesh Eater Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/09/17
Posts: 665
Loc: 2D Pennsylvania
I was just about to post what everyone else stated. Handguns would've been useless in this situation, but would've been useful in Nice, France. For sure.
_________________________
We keep odd hours.

Top
#3094639 - 10/02/17 12:56 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Bad Dawg]
Tbone-AZ Offline
PM senior

Registered: 10/04/12
Posts: 6884
Loc: AZ, Phoenix
Originally Posted By: Bad Dawg
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
[quote=Tbone-AZ
If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.



return fire to a guy 32 stories up with a ccw? seriously? smile


I agree. There is very little a handgun would have done to stop the perp in this incident. [/quote]

Ever been shot at?

right, because standing there in a crowd of hundreds and doing nothing is the correct answer.

However futile, firing at a window that is just over 130yrds would have forced him to take cover. That time would allow hundreds to move and seek cover. (also as soon as he was faced LE, he committed suicide) 32 floors is under 400', 400 feet works out to 120meters

_________________________
Have fun being an [beeep].. I hope it's all you hoped for.

Top
#3094640 - 10/02/17 01:02 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
jumprightinit Offline
PM senior

Registered: 12/29/07
Posts: 7031
Loc: Ione, Washistan
Just wondering, the shooter was on the 32nd floor. What floor was the concert on? I haven't stumbled across that yet. OK, I can't delete this post but I guess it was an outdoor venue.


Edited by jumprightinit (10/02/17 01:05 PM)
_________________________
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.


LIBERALS.
Be careful. Sometimes they look like regular people.



No matter how you look at it at the end of the day BO still stinks.


Top
#3094643 - 10/02/17 01:12 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Tbone-AZ]
fw707 Offline
Retired Moderator

Registered: 03/18/09
Posts: 9466
Loc: Roadside watermelon stand
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ
Originally Posted By: Bad Dawg
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
[quote=Tbone-AZ
If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.



return fire to a guy 32 stories up with a ccw? seriously? smile


I agree. There is very little a handgun would have done to stop the perp in this incident.


Ever been shot at?

right, because standing there in a crowd of hundreds and doing nothing is the correct answer.

However futile, firing at a window that is just over 130yrds would have forced him to take cover. That time would allow hundreds to move and seek cover. (also as soon as he was faced LE, he committed suicide) 32 floors is under 400', 400 feet works out to 120meters

[/quote]


Originally Posted By: Stu Farish
reported distance was about 1200 feet. I know I wouldn't have been able to put rounds through his window with a pistol. maybe I coulda hit some folks in rooms all around him...


Tbone,
did you know there were more than 22,000 people at the concert?



*
_________________________
“better the hard truth, I say, than the comforting fantasy.”

Carl Sagan

Top
#3094646 - 10/02/17 01:18 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
it was an outdoor venue across from the hotel.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3094647 - 10/02/17 01:19 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Flesh Eater Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/09/17
Posts: 665
Loc: 2D Pennsylvania
At 406 yards away, the shooter never even would've noticed a handgun being fired back at him. He would've been deafened by the blasts inside the room and never would've seen the muzzle flash from a pistol. All you would've accomplished was probably sending rounds through the air which could possibly strike innocent bystanders.
_________________________
We keep odd hours.

Top
#3094649 - 10/02/17 01:24 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Flesh Eater]
fw707 Offline
Retired Moderator

Registered: 03/18/09
Posts: 9466
Loc: Roadside watermelon stand
Originally Posted By: Flesh Eater
At 406 yards away, the shooter never even would've noticed a handgun being fired back at him. He would've been deafened by the blasts inside the room and never would've seen the muzzle flash from a pistol. All you would've accomplished was probably sending rounds through the air which could possibly strike innocent bystanders.


Exactly.
And you would have had about a zero chance of even locating the source of the shooting considering distance, concert noise, and darkness.

*
_________________________
“better the hard truth, I say, than the comforting fantasy.”

Carl Sagan

Top
#3094668 - 10/02/17 03:20 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Tbone-AZ]
Bad Dawg Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 1084
Loc: Michigan, United States
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ
Originally Posted By: Bad Dawg
[quote=SlickerThanSnot][quote=Tbone-AZ
If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.



Ever been shot at?

right, because standing there in a crowd of hundreds and doing nothing is the correct answer.

However futile, firing at a window that is just over 130yrds would have forced him to take cover. That time would allow hundreds to move and seek cover. (also as soon as he was faced LE, he committed suicide) 32 floors is under 400', 400 feet works out to 120meters



Maybe, maybe not. I guess something would have been better than nothing, like you mentioned. With that being said, I don't know much about the cpl laws out there in Vegas but I don't believe you can legally take a handgun into a venue like that.
_________________________
~The Yote Stops Here~

~Age and Wisdom Have Nothing In Common~

~I’m half deaf. If only I can become half blind, I’ll have found peace~

Top
#3094670 - 10/02/17 03:41 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
Tim Neitzke Offline
Former Moderator

Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 15981
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ

If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.





This gets my vote for WOW ! post of the year !

crazy
_________________________
WE THE PEOPLE

Let's go Brandon !!

Top
#3094674 - 10/02/17 03:46 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Tim Neitzke Offline
Former Moderator

Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 15981
Loc: Michigan
Pulling carry gun and firing in a crowd that size is good way to get a beat down or even shot.
_________________________
WE THE PEOPLE

Let's go Brandon !!

Top
#3094675 - 10/02/17 03:47 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
I carry everywhere I'm allowed & a lot of places I'm not. I just don't see how it would have done me any good had I been at the show when this happened.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3094676 - 10/02/17 03:47 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Tim Neitzke Offline
Former Moderator

Registered: 02/04/04
Posts: 15981
Loc: Michigan
Drawing a carry gun and firing in a crowd that size is good way to get a beat down or even shot.
_________________________
WE THE PEOPLE

Let's go Brandon !!

Top
#3094678 - 10/02/17 03:50 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Tbone-AZ]
jumprightinit Offline
PM senior

Registered: 12/29/07
Posts: 7031
Loc: Ione, Washistan
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ
Originally Posted By: Bad Dawg
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
[quote=Tbone-AZ
If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.



return fire to a guy 32 stories up with a ccw? seriously? smile


I agree. There is very little a handgun would have done to stop the perp in this incident.


Ever been shot at? Yeah, a guy unloaded a .38 revolver at me and my partner while we were in a boat out in the middle of a river. You could see the bullets hitting the water, his alignment was ok but the bullets were hitting the water about 40 yds short. The shooter was about 200 yds from us and on the same level. Given the circumstances in this shooting a pistol shot from the crowd would probably hit a couple of stories below where the shooter was. Thats just my opinion and that would depend a lot on the pistol and the person shooting it.

right, because standing there in a crowd of hundreds and doing nothing is the correct answer.

However futile, firing at a window that is just over 130yrds would have forced him to take cover. That time would allow hundreds to move and seek cover. (also as soon as he was faced LE, he committed suicide) 32 floors is under 400', 400 feet works out to 120meters

[/quote]


Edited by jumprightinit (10/02/17 03:51 PM)
_________________________
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.


LIBERALS.
Be careful. Sometimes they look like regular people.



No matter how you look at it at the end of the day BO still stinks.


Top
#3094681 - 10/02/17 04:05 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Flesh Eater]
Bad Dawg Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 1084
Loc: Michigan, United States
Originally Posted By: Flesh Eater
I was just about to post what everyone else stated. Handguns would've been useless in this situation, but would've been useful in Nice, France. For sure.


Good point. There are many, many situations where this is the case.
_________________________
~The Yote Stops Here~

~Age and Wisdom Have Nothing In Common~

~I’m half deaf. If only I can become half blind, I’ll have found peace~

Top
#3094684 - 10/02/17 04:22 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
you keep missing the fact that he wasn't just over 400' away. he wasn't shooting people on the sidewalk at the base of the building. he was at least 100 yards away & what I've seen reported claimed 1000 to 1200 feet, which is more on the order of 300 - 400 yards.

you really think that with a handgun from that distance you could do anything effective? with NO possibility of putting rounds through the windows of other rooms in the hotel, possibly hitting other people?

I know -not think, I KNOW- that I couldn't shoot a pistol that well.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3094685 - 10/02/17 04:23 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
songdog Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 10/10/01
Posts: 3393
Loc: Elizabeth.Colo.
my guess is if someone had even TRIED to return fire with a handgun, good chance that he/she would've been shot by police because no one really seemed to know where the shots were coming from.
Firing a CCW in this scenario would've been, well, just stupid.
_________________________
Calling coyotes is easy. Killing them is slightly harder.

I tried to tell you to say NO to Joe and the Ho and you didn't listen. Well, down the hill we go thanks to you. Can't say I didn't try to tell ya.

Top
#3094687 - 10/02/17 04:47 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: songdog]
crapshoot Offline
Retired PM Staff

Registered: 03/22/02
Posts: 23082
Loc: Henderson,Nevada,USA
Originally Posted By: songdog
my guess is if someone had even TRIED to return fire with a handgun, good chance that he/she would've been shot by police because no one really seemed to know where the shots were coming from.
Firing a CCW in this scenario would've been, well, just stupid.


Winner, winner chicken dinner.
I live here and have carried in that particular venue. A pistol would have done no one any good. Unless you had a scoped rifle and were a good shot with a dead rest and know where the fire was coming from could a weapon on the ground have done any good. That's provided the cops didn't shoot you first for having a weapon at an active shooting.
_________________________
I carry a gun because a cop is to heavy.

Average response time for a 911 call is 10 min.
Average response time for a .45acp is 900FPS.

Remember, if you're not pissing off a liberal......You are one!
Ted Nugent

Top
#3094696 - 10/02/17 05:57 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Infidel 762 Online
Moderator

Registered: 04/04/14
Posts: 6966
Loc: Okie
Sunday Bloody Sunday in the city of sin. Looking at this with the second largest and recent mass shooting at the pulse night club, gives me a Sodom and Gamorra vibe. Sadly we have the Clarleston church shooting as a rebuttal.

Flipping the switch to the stage lights could have saved a lot of lives. I watch the footage and all I can think about is "KILL THE LIGHTS!" For the love of God kill the lights...

Top
#3094709 - 10/02/17 07:14 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Foxpro.223 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 1515
Loc: WY
Condolences to the families and loved ones of the victims.






_________________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” ~ Richard Henry Lee
2 Corinthians 3:17




Top
#3094730 - 10/02/17 08:29 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
6724 Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 01/19/11
Posts: 3066
Loc: colorado
A whole bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks.

Top
#3094732 - 10/02/17 08:40 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Tnslim Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 07/07/09
Posts: 2207
Loc: TN
I'm curious as to why the wackadoodle did it. I fear it has a political slant as most folks that like country music are conservative patriots plus the Antifa crowd have been bragging lately about their new arsenal of AK-47's. This could very well be the start of a civil war of sorts.

Top
#3094759 - 10/02/17 09:52 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
NdIndy Offline
PM senior

Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 5405
Loc: Viera FL
I'm laying money on a terminal illness and he wanted to go out making a point if something.
_________________________
My therapist says I'm a bad kisser.

Top
#3094761 - 10/02/17 10:01 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Tnslim]
wybob Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 12/21/08
Posts: 382
Loc: southwest wyoming
He is described through the media as a fairly normal, wealthy retired guy. A man who liked and owned many firearms, with no reason as of yet to do this. Why, the perfect patsy for a specific agenda, maybe.

Top
#3094780 - 10/02/17 10:48 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: wybob]
crapshoot Offline
Retired PM Staff

Registered: 03/22/02
Posts: 23082
Loc: Henderson,Nevada,USA
Originally Posted By: wybob
He is described through the media as a fairly normal, wealthy retired guy. A man who liked and owned many firearms, with no reason as of yet to do this. Why, the perfect patsy for a specific agenda, maybe.


That's funny. Don't believe everything you hear from the media. His brother said he wasn't a gun fanatic, had no military background, and he doesn't have a clue where or when he got all the guns.
_________________________
I carry a gun because a cop is to heavy.

Average response time for a 911 call is 10 min.
Average response time for a .45acp is 900FPS.

Remember, if you're not pissing off a liberal......You are one!
Ted Nugent

Top
#3094790 - 10/02/17 11:35 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Foxpro.223 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 1515
Loc: WY
I sure don't believe anything the MSM has to say about it. Who knows what is really behind it. There has definitely been an agenda for gun control for a long time.

_________________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” ~ Richard Henry Lee
2 Corinthians 3:17




Top
#3094791 - 10/02/17 11:47 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: wybob]
Foxpro.223 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 1515
Loc: WY
Originally Posted By: wybob
He is described through the media as a fairly normal, wealthy retired guy. A man who liked and owned many firearms, with no reason as of yet to do this. Why, the perfect patsy for a specific agenda, maybe.



Perhaps. It certainly shouldn't be ruled out. There should be plenty of camera or video surveillance around a casino.
_________________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” ~ Richard Henry Lee
2 Corinthians 3:17




Top
#3094793 - 10/02/17 11:52 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: crapshoot]
Foxpro.223 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 1515
Loc: WY
Originally Posted By: crapshoot
Originally Posted By: wybob
He is described through the media as a fairly normal, wealthy retired guy. A man who liked and owned many firearms, with no reason as of yet to do this. Why, the perfect patsy for a specific agenda, maybe.


That's funny. Don't believe everything you hear from the media. His brother said he wasn't a gun fanatic, had no military background, and he doesn't have a clue where or when he got all the guns.



Of course the media is going to make him out to be a gun fanatic lunatic. The fact is is that gun fanatics don't do these types of things...
_________________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” ~ Richard Henry Lee
2 Corinthians 3:17




Top
#3094814 - 10/03/17 06:57 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Infidel 762]
Flesh Eater Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/09/17
Posts: 665
Loc: 2D Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
Sunday Bloody Sunday in the city of sin. Looking at this with the second largest and recent mass shooting at the pulse night club, gives me a Sodom and Gamorra vibe. Sadly we have the Clarleston church shooting as a rebuttal.

Flipping the switch to the stage lights could have saved a lot of lives. I watch the footage and all I can think about is "KILL THE LIGHTS!" For the love of God kill the lights...


I really can't get behind the idea of god punishing us for sins. This is simply the result of a deity giving it's creation free will. If it was a punishment from god, don't you think the almighty would lay its own hand down?

But, moving on, killing the lights wouldn't have done anything either. This guy was clearly motivated to kill a lot of people, and I highly doubt he chose soft points or hollow points for his ammo. Probably FMJ's that would've killed people with ricochets. Not to mention Vegas is full of lights. We've all looked across a field during a full moon. Not much different here.
_________________________
We keep odd hours.

Top
#3094826 - 10/03/17 08:30 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
6724 Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 01/19/11
Posts: 3066
Loc: colorado
From what I have read, he was an anti-Trump, proud democrat, Rachel Maddow watching, lefty. According to his brother he was not into guns. There is video of a guy that probably is him wearing a pink [beeep] hat at a Reno anti-Trump even two weeks earlier. I just read this am that he had ammonium nitrate in his car, that at least two of the guns were modified to be full auto.
This is not the work of some guy who was not into guns. This was someone who had to work on this for a considerable time prior to the shooting. I doubt we will ever know the whole story, but it doesn't pass the smell test. There are too many conflicting bits of information.

Anyone here read Matt Bracken's book "Enemies, foreign and domestic". This event is straight out of the book.

Top
#3094830 - 10/03/17 08:51 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
GC Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 16940
Loc: Missouri
After watching several videos of this tragedy I'm struck by three things. The fact that many people just layed down and did nothing, the fact many people felt the first and best thing to do was to get the phone out and video as they were hunkered down in the open getting shot at with full auto rifle fire and the numbers of people that wouldn't drop their beer while they ran or while they lay on the ground hoping they didn't get shot. Amazing ...
_________________________
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

Top
#3094831 - 10/03/17 08:53 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
GrizleyHunter Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 03/09/07
Posts: 1282
Loc: Michigan,Mackinac county
They need to find out where this sick Bas---D did his shooting practice and the family saying they did not know anything in his history that would make them think something was wrong with him I callBS
_________________________
Good things come to those who wait but not to those who wait to late

Top
#3094833 - 10/03/17 09:18 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Stu Farish]
swampwalker Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 1851
Loc: orange county ny
Originally Posted By: Stu Farish
you keep missing the fact that he wasn't just over 400' away. he wasn't shooting people on the sidewalk at the base of the building. he was at least 100 yards away & what I've seen reported claimed 1000 to 1200 feet, which is more on the order of 300 - 400 yards.

you really think that with a handgun from that distance you could do anything effective? with NO possibility of putting rounds through the windows of other rooms in the hotel, possibly hitting other people?

I know -not think, I KNOW- that I couldn't shoot a pistol that well.


Normally, I'd say no way someone can do this, but I bet T-bone has had some experience in extreme long distance handgun shooting. As impossible as it seems to neutralize a barricaded man 300 yds away behind cover in an unknown location, I'd say the odds would be about 50/50


Edited by swampwalker (10/03/17 09:40 AM)

Top
#3094835 - 10/03/17 09:22 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
lot's of crap floating around, most of which likely isn't accurate.

most of what we have at this point is simply guessing.

We do know that he had no significant criminal record, as a gun store that sold him some guns reported that he passed the NICS checks for them. We know that there are no reported known mental issues in the past. there was no reason to strip him of any of his rights that have been revealed so far.

the press has made much over the fact that in total he has 42 guns. so what? I've had that many at times, though I think right now I'm a bit under that total. not sure without doing a count. he had a lot of ammo. well, if you have guns you usually have ammo for them & if they're in different calibers that can turn into a lot of ammo pretty quick. lots of us have a bunch of guns & lots of ammo. I hand load most of mine so I not only have a lot of ammo, I have a lot of powder, primers, brass & bullets to make it with as well as the tools to do so. having a bunch of guns & ammo is neither a crime nor an indication that you have any harmful intent, I've had this stuff for decades.

I've seen a fair bit of alarmist reporting about his having had explosives, but now it seems to just be tannerite. They make it sound like he was on the brink of being the Ok City bomber & then reveal that he had a reactive substance that people quite commonly buy to shoot at, not a thing unusual in someone having some.

some have made a point bout his dad's record but that's irrelevant. we don't punish people & take their rights away for crimes they had no involvement in or responsibility for.

the big unanswered question is "why?". maybe we'll figure it out one day, maybe not. I can think of several possibilities but it's all just guessing, so I won't do that right now. I would like to know why, if it can be determined.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3094836 - 10/03/17 09:24 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: GC]
Flesh Eater Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/09/17
Posts: 665
Loc: 2D Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: GC
After watching several videos of this tragedy I'm struck by three things. The fact that many people just layed down and did nothing, the fact many people felt the first and best thing to do was to get the phone out and video as they were hunkered down in the open getting shot at with full auto rifle fire and the numbers of people that wouldn't drop their beer while they ran or while they lay on the ground hoping they didn't get shot. Amazing ...


The guy opened fire at the very end of the concert. I'm sure a lot of those people were tired, drunk, and/or stoned out of their minds. I wouldn't expect a lot of critical thinking to be going on in that type of situation.

As for the phones, refer to an episode of Black Mirror. It's what people do now, I guess. I saw a bear one morning on the way into work. The first thing my wife asked was, "Did you get a picture with your phone?!" No...actually that was the farthest thing from my mind.
_________________________
We keep odd hours.

Top
#3094837 - 10/03/17 09:26 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: GrizleyHunter]
Flesh Eater Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/09/17
Posts: 665
Loc: 2D Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: GrizleyHunter
They need to find out where this sick Bas---D did his shooting practice and the family saying they did not know anything in his history that would make them think something was wrong with him I callBS


Apparently you've never known someone that has surprised you before.

I knew a woman, who was a friend and a co-worker. One day she said, "Let's go to the bar and have a drink, just chill out and forget about this place." I declined, since it was a work night and I had to get up early the next day. Well, that night she went home, started a quad in a closed up garage, and killed herself. I never saw it coming. Never had even the slightest clue she would do that.

EDIT: A friend of mine was very, very good friends with a girl I went to high school with. Same thing. One night she went home, laid down in bed, swallowed the barrel of a pistol and ended it right there. NO ONE saw it coming. Sometimes people just lose it, and you won't see it coming.


Edited by Flesh Eater (10/03/17 09:28 AM)
_________________________
We keep odd hours.

Top
#3094839 - 10/03/17 09:28 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
he lived in NV, his brother lives in FL.

his brother would know what he was up to & where he went for target practice, well, how, exactly?
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3094845 - 10/03/17 09:38 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
swampwalker Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 1851
Loc: orange county ny
To bad nobody was able to make an announcement to run, just to put people into gear. It does seem like many people just hunkered down in the open without cover. The floor looks concrete as well which would mean a lot of skipped rounds to add to the damage.

Lots of things don't add up with this one. Obviously, a lot of planning and thought went into this. With that normally going to have some type of motive. Unless there was one and they're keeping it quiet.

Top
#3094847 - 10/03/17 09:56 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
GC Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 16940
Loc: Missouri
Jason Aldean sure didn't hang around. His fight or flight kicked in and he boot scootin boogied out of there! I'm not criticizing him, it's what his natural instinct was and he did it. Like my first post about the crowds reaction it's just an interesting human nature observation.
_________________________
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

Top
#3094856 - 10/03/17 11:00 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Flesh Eater Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/09/17
Posts: 665
Loc: 2D Pennsylvania
I'm surprised no one ran towards the stage, to seek cover there. I'm sure security booked it right behind the performers. But again, booze, drugs, late night, mass hysteria, hard to say what I would've done. Probably staggered around drunk, wondering what was going on and got mowed down by gun fire.
_________________________
We keep odd hours.

Top
#3094859 - 10/03/17 11:18 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
SlickerThanSnot Offline
PM senior

Registered: 01/31/14
Posts: 5759
Loc: stuck in a fence
bet most all the people had no idea where the gunfire was coming from.
_________________________
skeptical is what i am when told there is a dead coyote in certain far off pictures.

Top
#3094861 - 10/03/17 11:34 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: GC]
fw707 Offline
Retired Moderator

Registered: 03/18/09
Posts: 9466
Loc: Roadside watermelon stand
Originally Posted By: GC
Jason Aldean sure didn't hang around. His fight or flight kicked in and he boot scootin boogied out of there! I'm not criticizing him, it's what his natural instinct was and he did it. Like my first post about the crowds reaction it's just an interesting human nature observation.


There’s a good chance he had some experienced security folks that had a plan too.

thumbup1
_________________________
“better the hard truth, I say, than the comforting fantasy.”

Carl Sagan

Top
#3094862 - 10/03/17 11:38 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: swampwalker]
tnshootist Offline
PM senior

Registered: 11/26/10
Posts: 7672
Loc: East Tn
Originally Posted By: swampwalker
To bad nobody was able to make an announcement to run, just to put people into gear. It does seem like many people just hunkered down in the open without cover. The floor looks concrete as well which would mean a lot of skipped rounds to add to the damage.

Lots of things don't add up with this one. Obviously, a lot of planning and thought went into this. With that normally going to have some type of motive. Unless there was one and they're keeping it quiet.


Maybe they are keeping quite what they know about motive.
Nothing except he was a nut would work.
Anything else wouldn't work for anybody.

I wonder if we will ever know.
_________________________
"Money won't buy happiness, but you can suffer a better grade of misery in a nicer part of town." Brother Bill Samples


Top
#3094869 - 10/03/17 12:25 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: swampwalker]
Plant.One Offline
Die Hard Member with a vengeance

Registered: 02/12/15
Posts: 4827
Loc: Oakland County, MI
Originally Posted By: swampwalker
To bad nobody was able to make an announcement to run, just to put people into gear. It does seem like many people just hunkered down in the open without cover.



there was really no place to go.

the area was secured by a fence to keep folks who didnt have tickets out. which basically acted like a corral. exit/entrance was severely limited. had someone mad an announcement to run - and set off a possible worse panic - there likely would have been a lot more injuries due to people getting trampled.

tens of thousands of people trying to get out of a couple exits in a pure blind panic fed by people on a loudspeaker system yelling run is a recipe for disaster on a scale even beyond what this tragedy has already handed out





thoughts and prayers to the family's of all the dead and wounded.
_________________________
All reloading info shared is based on my experiences in my guns. Follow safe reloading practice and work up loads from published minimum data.
This disclaimer will self destruct in 10 seconds.


Top
#3094873 - 10/03/17 12:31 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: tnshootist]
Bad Dawg Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 1084
Loc: Michigan, United States
Originally Posted By: tnshootist
Originally Posted By: swampwalker
To bad nobody was able to make an announcement to run, just to put people into gear. It does seem like many people just hunkered down in the open without cover. The floor looks concrete as well which would mean a lot of skipped rounds to add to the damage.

Lots of things don't add up with this one. Obviously, a lot of planning and thought went into this. With that normally going to have some type of motive. Unless there was one and they're keeping it quiet.


Maybe they are keeping quite what they know about motive.
Nothing except he was a nut would work.
Anything else wouldn't work for anybody.

I wonder if we will ever know.


There is definitely a motive. This was premeditated. There was a lot of thought put into how he was going to carry this out. Imo, I'm leaning towards he was an anti-Trump anti republican nutcase. For the simple fact that he picked a country music festival to carry out his act of evil. Again, this is just my opinion.
_________________________
~The Yote Stops Here~

~Age and Wisdom Have Nothing In Common~

~I’m half deaf. If only I can become half blind, I’ll have found peace~

Top
#3094878 - 10/03/17 12:43 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Flesh Eater Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/09/17
Posts: 665
Loc: 2D Pennsylvania
And I see the bill concerning silencers has been shelved indefinitely. It's amazing how one tweet, of pure ignorance, can make everyone declare it so without using reason, logic, or evidence.
_________________________
We keep odd hours.

Top
#3094883 - 10/03/17 01:02 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: 6724]
DesertRam Offline
Moderator

Registered: 04/26/01
Posts: 9101
Loc: Las Cruces, NM USA
Originally Posted By: 6724
Anyone here read Matt Bracken's book "Enemies, foreign and domestic". This event is straight out of the book.


Eerily similar to the stadium massacre, no? How much else in common...
_________________________
"A person is smart; people are dumb panicky dangerous animals and you know it." K as played by Tommy Lee Jones, Men In Black

Top
#3094891 - 10/03/17 01:40 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Plant.One Offline
Die Hard Member with a vengeance

Registered: 02/12/15
Posts: 4827
Loc: Oakland County, MI
it appears at least one of the weapons had a bump-fire style stock on it

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/10/9...-reveal-answer/

direct link to fb image from the link above showing the bumpfire stock (wont display properly here on the site)
https://scontent.fdet1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v...amp;oe=5A452682



Originally Posted By: "screenshot"



i had wondered if that was the case, based on one of the video's i saw and the perceived varied rate of fire i was hearing. wasnt sure if it was an acoustic thing or not...
_________________________
All reloading info shared is based on my experiences in my guns. Follow safe reloading practice and work up loads from published minimum data.
This disclaimer will self destruct in 10 seconds.


Top
#3094895 - 10/03/17 01:44 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
songdog Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 10/10/01
Posts: 3393
Loc: Elizabeth.Colo.
have heard several people who were there stating that they couldn't figure out where the shots were coming from. Even stating that at first they thought it to be fireworks. SO, it's fully understandable to see people hunkered down since they had no idea where the actual threat was. Several people have stated that they thought it to be more than one shooter even.
SO it was pure confusion, so people really didn't know what to do or where to go. Run? Which way?
_________________________
Calling coyotes is easy. Killing them is slightly harder.

I tried to tell you to say NO to Joe and the Ho and you didn't listen. Well, down the hill we go thanks to you. Can't say I didn't try to tell ya.

Top
#3094901 - 10/03/17 02:04 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
you guys ever been to a concert? think about how long it took to get out once it was over & that's with everyone being calm & orderly.

now toss in being shot at, some panic & a near total lack of cover or concealment.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3094917 - 10/03/17 03:24 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Stu Farish]
semo97 Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 713
Loc: Texas
Would like to hear the girlfriends story about this guy from Law Enforcement not the news media. I thought I heard she went to Japan.


Edited by semo97 (10/03/17 03:26 PM)
_________________________
WE were soldiers, best of our generation, Vietnam Veterans. From combat to in and out of country support from all branches of service. Thank You

Top
#3094980 - 10/03/17 09:41 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Infidel 762 Online
Moderator

Registered: 04/04/14
Posts: 6966
Loc: Okie
This guy seems to know where the shots are coming from...



Edited by Infidel 762 (10/03/17 10:28 PM)
Edit Reason: Edit out poor taste comment on photo

Top
#3094987 - 10/03/17 10:01 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Infidel 762]
GC Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 16940
Loc: Missouri
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
This guy seems to know where the shots are coming from...



And that drunk S.O.B. may have attracted attention that brought a hail storm of bullets in his vicinity... killing or wounding those around him.
_________________________
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

Top
#3094994 - 10/03/17 10:25 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Infidel 762 Online
Moderator

Registered: 04/04/14
Posts: 6966
Loc: Okie
If you watch the video you see they are all still huddled together illuminated by the stage light. That crowd was already the target. They turned the bright white stage lights on the crowd when the shooting started and left it on.

I guess the words with the pic are in poor taste..


Top
#3094997 - 10/03/17 10:34 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: GC]
Infidel 762 Online
Moderator

Registered: 04/04/14
Posts: 6966
Loc: Okie
Originally Posted By: GC
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
This guy seems to know where the shots are coming from...



And that drunk S.O.B. may have attracted attention that brought a hail storm of bullets in his vicinity... killing or wounding those around him.


Strange, I deleted that pic from my SmugMug and it still shows. I could edit your post to remove it but I ain't gonna. I posted sumthin in bad taste, I'll admit it and leave it at that:)

Top
#3095009 - 10/03/17 10:59 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Tnslim Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 07/07/09
Posts: 2207
Loc: TN
Lots of stuff just doesn't add up on this scenario. Why would a guy not known to be a nut job and with plenty of money do this knowing his time on earth would soon be up? What if he was dead before the shooting started being nothing more than the fall guy? I'm convinced that Hillary's hitman can successfully frame a suicide and she did come out on gun control before the smoke cleared. Ask yourself this......would you put something like this past Hillary, Obama, Soros to further their plan to divide the country? Ok, my tinfoil hat is now off but IMO anything is possible considering those three.

Top
#3095034 - 10/04/17 01:34 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Foxpro.223 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 1515
Loc: WY
It is really not a wonder that something like this happens when the media and entertainment world have been promoting violence and a race agenda against Americans for a while now.

It really doesn't take a genius to see that there is obviously an agenda going on here.
_________________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” ~ Richard Henry Lee
2 Corinthians 3:17




Top
#3095054 - 10/04/17 08:15 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Stu Farish]
pahntr760 Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 05/06/09
Posts: 12123
Loc: Osan, ROK
Originally Posted By: Stu Farish
you guys ever been to a concert? think about how long it took to get out once it was over & that's with everyone being calm & orderly.

now toss in being shot at, some panic & a near total lack of cover or concealment.



Exactly my thoughts. Honestly, "getting small" is about the best chance one would have at being safe in this situation. It was a good plan by the gunman. Evil, obviously, but efficient.
_________________________
“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”
- Ronald Reagan

Top
#3095079 - 10/04/17 10:28 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Tnslim]
semo97 Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 713
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: Tnslim
Lots of stuff just doesn't add up on this scenario. Why would a guy not known to be a nut job and with plenty of money do this knowing his time on earth would soon be up? What if he was dead before the shooting started being nothing more than the fall guy? I'm convinced that Hillary's hitman can successfully frame a suicide and she did come out on gun control before the smoke cleared. Ask yourself this......would you put something like this past Hillary, Obama, Soros to further their plan to divide the country? Ok, my tinfoil hat is now off but IMO anything is possible considering those three.



When my wife and I first saw this Monday morning we thought the same thing, nothing would surprise me. Same as Chris Kyle's murder, the chopper with seal team 6 and other SF being shot down after Bin Laden being shot and Benghazi it all stinks.
_________________________
WE were soldiers, best of our generation, Vietnam Veterans. From combat to in and out of country support from all branches of service. Thank You

Top
#3095089 - 10/04/17 11:38 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Infidel 762 Online
Moderator

Registered: 04/04/14
Posts: 6966
Loc: Okie
yep, this whole incident looks more and more fishy as things continue unfold. A lot of disinformation being put out there, accusations from ISIS to Antifa. His Filipino girlfriend arrived back in USA in a wheel chair, she has 2 social security numbers, simultaneously married to two different men, had thousands of dollars wired to her in the Philippines, and now she invoked her rights to an attorney before answering any questions.

It could be as simple as a 64 year old man went nuts and killed a bunch of people. No doubt there are many conspiracies theories lacking undeniable evidence. Something is definitely up.

Top
#3095101 - 10/04/17 12:25 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
NdIndy Offline
PM senior

Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 5405
Loc: Viera FL
Given the situation I would lawyer up as well. I'm completely unattached to the shooting and if I was asked to come in regarding it, it would be with an atty at my hip. And I hate atty's laugh


In ref to the 500ish yard handgun shot being a 50/50 success, pass what you're smoking because it must be the good stuff laugh

You can't compare a handgun hunter with the proper equipment, placement and frame of mind to someone with a 4" semi auto being shot at in a crowd of panic from an unknown position.

The right gun, the right person, and at the right place in time makes a world of difference. Just being in a position to put pressure on a shooter will save lives as a killer now has to address a threat. No killer is looking for a fight and they're generally not prepared for one.

None of those factors are present in that crowd. At best you have an ineffective round getting shot 'over there'. Put a handgun outside his room though, different story.

I recently learned that NFL games employ a professional sniper in an elevated position watching the crowd. I'm guessing concerts will start doing the same soon.
_________________________
My therapist says I'm a bad kisser.

Top
#3095107 - 10/04/17 12:38 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
difi introduced a bill to ban bump fire stocks. that was as predictable as yesterdays sunrise.

doesn't do anything to address the problem, they never have any interest in that. if they did they would be trying to address they "why" rather than the "what with", as the "what with" is always easily replaced with something else.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3095128 - 10/04/17 01:59 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
dbs1 Offline
New Member

Registered: 01/10/14
Posts: 21
Loc: arizona
As a multiple gun owner and as a dad who had a son with a mental illness take his own life after purchasing a firearm from a person who had no idea of his condition and of which I place no blame...we gun owners may have to be part of the solution.

I'm not suggesting infringing on anyone's 2nd amendment rights and in this case I am at a loss of what could have been done to prevent this. But as one who owns several AR rifles I don't see the need for making them into something that can shoot rounds at a faster rate and certainly no full autos being owned by everyday citizens as well as the ability for anyone to be able to get on a computer and check to see if someone is mentally unstable before selling them a firearm.

I realize it's a slippery slope and perhaps none of these would have prevented it, but saving SOME life's might have happened. Seems we in the gunowning community might be better off to take a look at some of these ideas before we have no say in what happens. Just a thought.

Top
#3095133 - 10/04/17 02:18 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
I note that our constitution & BOR is distinctly lacking in qualifiers such as "need" or "hunting" in the protection of our enumerated or other rights.

these stocks have been around for some years now. so far as I know there are many 10's of thousands of them in circulation & until monday not one had ever been used in the commission of a crime. again, it's an approach to banning objects rather than determining and dealing with causes.

we could ban them & I doubt that it would stop a single gun crime from occurring.

I don't fall into the camp of doing something for the sake of doing something. they demand that we do something, anything. I could suggest something to do but I can guarantee that they wouldn't like it, so clearly just doing anything really isn't what they want.

I think pretty much everyone agrees that it's a good idea to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. problem is that they keep demanding that we do things that won't accomplish that & to a lot of them, all of us are people who shouldn't have them.

Right now there's a new background check bill introduced in the house. Utterly irrelevant, the guy passed BG checks with no problems, there is no change suggested that would have changed that fact.

This guy had no criminal history & no history of mental illness that was a disqualifier. He did not meet any of the other conditions listed on a form 4473 that would make him a prohibited person. He could have legally bought any gun in the country, including any NFA controlled item such as a full auto, suppressor, sawed off shotgun, explosives, etc.

if anyone can show me something that demonstrably might have prevented him from being able to act, I'm all ears, but so far I have not see any such thing.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3095134 - 10/04/17 02:22 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
corrction: they're about to introduce a new BG check bill in the house. I thought they had but they've just announced that they will.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3095140 - 10/04/17 02:42 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
jumprightinit Offline
PM senior

Registered: 12/29/07
Posts: 7031
Loc: Ione, Washistan

I don't know how factual the report was but it said the shooter was prescribed a benzodiazepine , just another tangent to consider.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine
_________________________
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.


LIBERALS.
Be careful. Sometimes they look like regular people.



No matter how you look at it at the end of the day BO still stinks.


Top
#3095151 - 10/04/17 03:37 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
swampwalker Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 1851
Loc: orange county ny
I find it very conspicuous that this guy had such a clean record with zero political views. How many people are that serious about guns and have zero interest in politics. His own brother described him as somebody who "was not a gun guy at all" really? With 42 guns? It's almost as though he kept away from politics to paint the " this guy could have been anybody" picture

Perhaps, the guy was so anti-gun, that he had this planned for years and shooting up a "right leaning" country festival, would help galvanize gun control from conservatives that formerly did not exist.

One thing I'm curious about is his medical status. He could have been diagnosed with a terminal disease, which could have been the impetus to put his plan in effect. kinda like Jack Ruby

I don't know, I just find it hard to believe that all that planning and there's absolutely zero about the guy.. the silence seems strategic, like he wanted it to be perceived that way, but why.

Top
#3095156 - 10/04/17 04:00 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
SlickerThanSnot Offline
PM senior

Registered: 01/31/14
Posts: 5759
Loc: stuck in a fence
right now, today, is a back ground check mandatory to purchase or transfer a firearm in EVERY state of the u.s.a.? my wife says no. i thought yes. who wins?
_________________________
skeptical is what i am when told there is a dead coyote in certain far off pictures.

Top
#3095157 - 10/04/17 04:06 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
yes, all sales from an FFL require a federal NICS BG check in all states. private sales across state lines also require BG checks. private sales in state may or may not, depending on that states laws.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3095158 - 10/04/17 04:06 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
I've been stating that we need this for 30 years:

age appropriate gun safety training in public schools.

well, by [beeep], if we just have to do something, anything, there's my suggestion of something to do. fund it & require it.

do it now.

there, we've done something. happy?
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3095161 - 10/04/17 04:09 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stub2 Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/01/17
Posts: 148
Loc: Northwest Michigan
Once again the media is giving out the shooters name and making an otherwise nobody into somebody. There are plenty of people who would do almost anything to have their name spread far and wide. A deal like this should prohibit the release of the shooters name, pictures and comments from people who know him.
The way the media covers things just encourages nobodies to do things of this nature.

Top
#3095180 - 10/04/17 06:07 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Tnslim]
larr Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 09/07/07
Posts: 1578
Loc: marylands eastern shore
Originally Posted By: Tnslim
Lots of stuff just doesn't add up on this scenario. Why would a guy not known to be a nut job and with plenty of money do this knowing his time on earth would soon be up? What if he was dead before the shooting started being nothing more than the fall guy? I'm convinced that Hillary's hitman can successfully frame a suicide and she did come out on gun control before the smoke cleared. Ask yourself this......would you put something like this past Hillary, Obama, Soros to further their plan to divide the country? Ok, my tinfoil hat is now off but IMO anything is possible considering those three.


If I'm correct, wasn't there a pro gun bill going up for vote when the congressman was shot in a baseball field and it got shelved? And this week the hearing protection act was up for vote and this happens? Strange coincidence.
_________________________
The democracy will cease to exist
when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

NRA LIFE MEMBER

Top
#3095181 - 10/04/17 06:16 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
the hpa was not up for a vote. it was not on the schedule. the schedule for this week was posted lat friday. it was not on it & the schedule has not changed.

there are reports saying it was shelved but that simply isn't true. it has not been put on the schedule yet.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3095186 - 10/04/17 06:41 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Stu Farish]
wybob Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 12/21/08
Posts: 382
Loc: southwest wyoming
Another angle, do not know how much truth there is to it.
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/234364/las_vegas_shooting_who_benefits/

Top
#3095187 - 10/04/17 06:42 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: DesertRam]
6724 Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 01/19/11
Posts: 3066
Loc: colorado
Originally Posted By: DesertRam
Originally Posted By: 6724
Anyone here read Matt Bracken's book "Enemies, foreign and domestic". This event is straight out of the book.


Eerily similar to the stadium massacre, no? How much else in common...


In the book, it is a shooting into a stadium, the largest mass murder in American history. The shooter cannot ever speak of his intents. The cries for gun control are immediate, and in some cases do not have anything to do with what just happened. The shooter is the perfect patsy. The whole story is packaged and handed to the media very quickly, no connection to islamic terror.
The author of the book was predicting an event like this for the last several months.

Does it not seem too perfectly packaged for the anti-gun people? The guy buys the guns legally, buys a bunch of them, has piles of ammo, piles of large magazines, and happens to have tannerite in his car. All things the left would like to ban, like bump stocks. He is described by his neighbors as NOT a gun guy, NO ONE thinks this sounds like him. Does that not sound like a patsy?

I do not believe we will ever know the truth in this one. I think there are several possible scenarios in which it happened. The easiest one, and the one most likely to be ignored by the media is that another Trump hating far lefty, emboldened by the media of late, decided to take out his anger at Trump and his supporters and in the process push the gun control agenda better than ever before.

Top
#3095254 - 10/04/17 10:23 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: wybob]
Infidel 762 Online
Moderator

Registered: 04/04/14
Posts: 6966
Loc: Okie
Originally Posted By: wybob
Another angle, do not know how much truth there is to it.
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/234364/las_vegas_shooting_who_benefits/


I don't know how much truthf there is to this, but it does make Erie sense...

Something is definitely up

Top
#3095259 - 10/04/17 10:31 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
one thing about the guns & ammo that I do find interesting is that he managed to acquire that many yet no one who knew him seems to have had any idea that he ad any guns at all. I don't know what the girl friend had to say about that but so far everyone who has said anything didn't seem to be aware of them, with the exception of a gun store or 2 who sold him some. buying & storing them, stacking up a fair bit of ammo, presumably trips out to shoot for practice, he managed to keep all of that hidden from the people in his life. possibly for a very long time.

or maybe some of these people are lying about it.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3095290 - 10/05/17 12:21 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Stu Farish]
Infidel 762 Online
Moderator

Registered: 04/04/14
Posts: 6966
Loc: Okie
Originally Posted By: Stu Farish
one thing about the guns & ammo that I do find interesting is that he managed to acquire that many yet no one who knew him seems to have had any idea that he ad any guns at all. I don't know what the girl friend had to say about that but so far everyone who has said anything didn't seem to be aware of them, with the exception of a gun store or 2 who sold him some. buying & storing them, stacking up a fair bit of ammo, presumably trips out to shoot for practice, he managed to keep all of that hidden from the people in his life. possibly for a very long time.

or maybe some of these people are lying about it.


There are guys that live double lives. Prominent married men who like to dress up in women's clothing. One weekend they get busted with a prostitute, cocaine and lingerie and everyone is just so shocked. Look at his Filipino girlfriend, 2 social security numbers and simultaneously married to two different men. Not to mention all this came to a light in Vegas. Not everything that happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas...

There is more to it than meets the eye...

Top
#3095295 - 10/05/17 01:44 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Plant.One Offline
Die Hard Member with a vengeance

Registered: 02/12/15
Posts: 4827
Loc: Oakland County, MI
its vegas. the middle of nowhere and nothing.

not very hard to drive less than an hour, find an empty patch of nothing 10 miles from basically anywhere and practice training to use something like a bump fire stock and nobody knows about it.
_________________________
All reloading info shared is based on my experiences in my guns. Follow safe reloading practice and work up loads from published minimum data.
This disclaimer will self destruct in 10 seconds.


Top
#3095298 - 10/05/17 02:47 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Foxpro.223 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 1515
Loc: WY
Only if we had just one more law.

(Sarcasm)
_________________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” ~ Richard Henry Lee
2 Corinthians 3:17




Top
#3095300 - 10/05/17 03:46 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Foxpro.223 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 1515
Loc: WY
So the same people who have been promoting and acting on violence against patriotic Americans are the same people screaming for gun control now?

What kind of moron would give in to these people who are full of hate and are violent towards Americans for simply being traditional and wanting to make America great again. This is about a whole lot more than just a gun issue or Slide Fire stocks folks.

How stupid can people be...


_________________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” ~ Richard Henry Lee
2 Corinthians 3:17




Top
#3095312 - 10/05/17 07:52 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Rocky1 Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 11/24/10
Posts: 11518
Loc: ND/FL - USA
Local news said authorities still have not determined a motive, but they're focusing on last October, because he purchased 33 guns that month. I'm thinking that's the month Trump started truly showing signs of kicking Hillary's @ss in the election, with the announcement of FBI findings in her numerous probes.

HOWEVER... IF they know that he purchased 33 guns that month, that apparently means there was a record of those purchases. Any of you guys keep a record of your previously owned firearm purchases for tax purposes??? I think not. Any of you buy all your previously owned firearms with a credit card? All of mine were bought with cash. So I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess, there is an NCIS record of 33 purchases in one month.

Since it appears many of those purchases would have been ARs, why weren't bells and whistles going off at NCIS??? Maybe I'm wrong here, but it sounds to me like the Government and their illustrious background check system have once again failed, but as usual the Democrats want more background checks because that's going to fix what already isn't working. If they truly want to do something to improve gun safety in this country, they need to stop looking at outlawing accessories, and guns, and making more ignorant laws, and making more stringent background checks and start focusing on fixing the sh1t that is already in place and not working. None of which fixes a situation like this where someone goes off the deep end and spends a year plotting a mass murder.
_________________________
Think about how stupid the average person is, then stop and realize... Half of them are stupider than that! -- George Carlin

Top
#3095343 - 10/05/17 10:32 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
tnshootist Offline
PM senior

Registered: 11/26/10
Posts: 7672
Loc: East Tn
A person can do most anything one time if they don't tell anybody their going to do it.
I can't think of any law that could stop them.
_________________________
"Money won't buy happiness, but you can suffer a better grade of misery in a nicer part of town." Brother Bill Samples


Top
#3095348 - 10/05/17 11:08 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: tnshootist]
crapshoot Offline
Retired PM Staff

Registered: 03/22/02
Posts: 23082
Loc: Henderson,Nevada,USA
Originally Posted By: tnshootist
A person can do most anything one time if they don't tell anybody their going to do it.
I can't think of any law that could stop them.


Exactly. And no age appropriate gun training would have helped. He obviously knew how to use them and could care less about anyone's safety.
_________________________
I carry a gun because a cop is to heavy.

Average response time for a 911 call is 10 min.
Average response time for a .45acp is 900FPS.

Remember, if you're not pissing off a liberal......You are one!
Ted Nugent

Top
#3095351 - 10/05/17 11:22 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Predburner Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/19/07
Posts: 898
Loc: Oklahoma
To bad his last shot wasn't his first....

Top
#3095387 - 10/05/17 02:02 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Rocky1]
Plant.One Offline
Die Hard Member with a vengeance

Registered: 02/12/15
Posts: 4827
Loc: Oakland County, MI
Originally Posted By: Rocky1
Local news said authorities still have not determined a motive, but they're focusing on last October, because he purchased 33 guns that month. I'm thinking that's the month Trump started truly showing signs of kicking Hillary's @ss in the election, with the announcement of FBI findings in her numerous probes.

HOWEVER... IF they know that he purchased 33 guns that month, that apparently means there was a record of those purchases. Any of you guys keep a record of your previously owned firearm purchases for tax purposes??? I think not. Any of you buy all your previously owned firearms with a credit card? All of mine were bought with cash. So I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess, there is an NCIS record of 33 purchases in one month.

Since it appears many of those purchases would have been ARs, why weren't bells and whistles going off at NCIS??? Maybe I'm wrong here, but it sounds to me like the Government and their illustrious background check system have once again failed, but as usual the Democrats want more background checks because that's going to fix what already isn't working. If they truly want to do something to improve gun safety in this country, they need to stop looking at outlawing accessories, and guns, and making more ignorant laws, and making more stringent background checks and start focusing on fixing the sh1t that is already in place and not working. None of which fixes a situation like this where someone goes off the deep end and spends a year plotting a mass murder.




meh. there were soo many NICS checks happening pre-election last fall, i can see 33 from the same person easily fall under the radar of the powers that be.

the panic buy based on the polls showing Hillary and the DNC was gonna win was well under way by then.


october 2016 was an all time high for october gun sales based on the >2.3 million NICS checks run and it was the 2nd highest year on record (after 2015) for total NICS checks at >22 million to date for the year at that point.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/...her-record.html
_________________________
All reloading info shared is based on my experiences in my guns. Follow safe reloading practice and work up loads from published minimum data.
This disclaimer will self destruct in 10 seconds.


Top
#3095391 - 10/05/17 02:09 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
nbc this morning reported that he had bought 33 over the last year, not 33 at one time or in one month.

no idea what is accurate.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3095409 - 10/05/17 03:48 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
I've only seen a few pics of the room. something that I noticed is a lack of spent brass in those pics.

he was in a suite which is pretty big, so maybe most of where he was shooting was not in the area those pics are, I dunno. It just seems that with maybe over 1000 rounds fired there should have been a helluva mess of empty brass laying around.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3095410 - 10/05/17 03:48 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
of all the mass shootings in america that occurred during o's (not saying it had anything to do with o, just identifying the time frame that this number is from) 8 years, 60% were done by people who were under the active treatment by mental health professionals. not one of these people were seen to be a threat to themselves or others by the doctors they were seeing.

most people with mental illness simply are not violent & it would seem that even the ones who become so are pretty damned hard to detect before they act, even when under regular observation by trained professionals in the field.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3095436 - 10/05/17 06:08 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Stu Farish]
SlickerThanSnot Offline
PM senior

Registered: 01/31/14
Posts: 5759
Loc: stuck in a fence
Originally Posted By: Stu Farish
I've only seen a few pics of the room. something that I noticed is a lack of spent brass in those pics.

he was in a suite which is pretty big, so maybe most of where he was shooting was not in the area those pics are, I dunno. It just seems that with maybe over 1000 rounds fired there should have been a helluva mess of empty brass laying around.


i can picture him kind of leaning out the window while shooting. maybe a lot of brass on the ground below the windows?
_________________________
skeptical is what i am when told there is a dead coyote in certain far off pictures.

Top
#3095442 - 10/05/17 07:03 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
hm1996 Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 07/23/06
Posts: 17006
Loc: S. Texas
Understandable that it is very difficult to determine source of gunfire (or other loud noises amongst tall buildings as sound echoes off other structures, but heard last night that some of the mirror paned windows of surrounding buildings reflected the muzzle flash which would add to the confusion.

Anyone heard any clarification of time frame. Sheriff reported repeatedly that shooter fired for 11 minutes and room was breached in 18 minutes yet printed accounts mention taking 72 minutes to locate the shooter.

Regards,
hm
_________________________
If what's ahead scares you and what's behind hurts you, look up; He never fails you.

If My people will humble themselves, pray, seek My face & turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven & will forgive their sin & heal their land.




Top
#3095452 - 10/05/17 08:03 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
swampwalker Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 1851
Loc: orange county ny
The sheriff said it was 72 minutes to the time they breached. A lot lot of time was spent room clearing on the same level of the shooter, but since he had stopped shooting by then, they understandably had difficult time locating the exact room.

I believe I saw some black out curtains. They could possibly explain the lack of brass if he had them draped behind him.

Top
#3095465 - 10/05/17 08:41 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Infidel 762]
Ridgeline17 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 04/11/12
Posts: 1534
Loc: Somerset,Ky
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
Originally Posted By: wybob
Another angle, do not know how much truth there is to it.
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/234364/las_vegas_shooting_who_benefits/


I don't know how much truthf there is to this, but it does make Erie sense...

Something is definitely up


There is just too many coincidents right there.


Edited by Ridgeline17 (10/05/17 08:41 PM)
_________________________
Welcome to Remington Country Yotes

The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.





Top
#3095491 - 10/05/17 10:23 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Tnslim Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 07/07/09
Posts: 2207
Loc: TN
Some interesting info. Mandalay Bay is owned by MGM, which is owned by folks from Saudi Arabia and Dubai. The CEO of Mandalay Bay asked his employees to donate to CAIR and other leftist groups. Not saying there is a connection but it does make you go hmmmm.

http://www.dailypresser.com/disgusting-mandalay-bay/

Top
#3095492 - 10/05/17 10:32 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: wybob]
Rocky1 Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 11/24/10
Posts: 11518
Loc: ND/FL - USA
Originally Posted By: wybob
Another angle, do not know how much truth there is to it.
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/234364/las_vegas_shooting_who_benefits/






Makes entirely too much sense!
_________________________
Think about how stupid the average person is, then stop and realize... Half of them are stupider than that! -- George Carlin

Top
#3095500 - 10/05/17 10:49 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Plant.One]
Rocky1 Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 11/24/10
Posts: 11518
Loc: ND/FL - USA
Originally Posted By: Plant.One
Originally Posted By: Rocky1
Local news said authorities still have not determined a motive, but they're focusing on last October, because he purchased 33 guns that month. I'm thinking that's the month Trump started truly showing signs of kicking Hillary's @ss in the election, with the announcement of FBI findings in her numerous probes.

HOWEVER... IF they know that he purchased 33 guns that month, that apparently means there was a record of those purchases. Any of you guys keep a record of your previously owned firearm purchases for tax purposes??? I think not. Any of you buy all your previously owned firearms with a credit card? All of mine were bought with cash. So I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess, there is an NCIS record of 33 purchases in one month.

Since it appears many of those purchases would have been ARs, why weren't bells and whistles going off at NCIS??? Maybe I'm wrong here, but it sounds to me like the Government and their illustrious background check system have once again failed, but as usual the Democrats want more background checks because that's going to fix what already isn't working. If they truly want to do something to improve gun safety in this country, they need to stop looking at outlawing accessories, and guns, and making more ignorant laws, and making more stringent background checks and start focusing on fixing the sh1t that is already in place and not working. None of which fixes a situation like this where someone goes off the deep end and spends a year plotting a mass murder.




meh. there were soo many NICS checks happening pre-election last fall, i can see 33 from the same person easily fall under the radar of the powers that be.

the panic buy based on the polls showing Hillary and the DNC was gonna win was well under way by then.


october 2016 was an all time high for october gun sales based on the >2.3 million NICS checks run and it was the 2nd highest year on record (after 2015) for total NICS checks at >22 million to date for the year at that point.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/...her-record.html








One must assume they use computers to perform the background checks... Wouldn't you think it might be real easy to install a

"Date of Last Search/Purchase"
"Searches/Purchases Last XX Days"

box or some damm something, so 33 purchases in a month don't slip through the cracks?

If they're serious about stopping incidences of this nature, as they suggest they are, one would think this would have been built into the software. I bought a .22 rifle in Florida, with a North Dakota drivers license, and the guy at the pawn shop was grilled for 10 minutes with questions concerning "WHY is he purchasing that rifle there." I realize they don't know what kind of rifle it was, but what difference did it make? It's not like people don't purchase guns out of their state of residence, all the time. I have absolutely nothing on my record, had a Concealed Carry Permit in my state of residence, why was there an issue? I'm relatively certain however, that not a lot of people purchase 33 guns a month, unless they're working for Barack Obama and Eric Holder. Bells and whistles should have been going off on-screen somewhere in the course of that.

Their failure should not warrant or dictate additional burden on law abiding citizens.
_________________________
Think about how stupid the average person is, then stop and realize... Half of them are stupider than that! -- George Carlin

Top
#3095509 - 10/05/17 11:19 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
GC Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 16940
Loc: Missouri
Is it illegal to purchase 33 rifles in one month?
_________________________
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

Top
#3095510 - 10/05/17 11:26 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: GC]
pyscodog Online
PM Junkie

Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 15435
Loc: okla
Originally Posted By: GC
Is it illegal to purchase 33 rifles in one month?



I was wondering about this also. I thought,(don't know where I heard it) 7 firearms per month was the limit. Maybe unless your an FFL or a gun shop??? I don't remember.

I tried to do a search. Seems its different state to state. The print was so small, it was very hard to read. But 7 is not a good number.


Edited by pyscodog (10/05/17 11:33 PM)
_________________________


Stay away from negative people, they have a problem for every solution.

Top
#3095512 - 10/05/17 11:33 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: GC]
Rocky1 Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 11/24/10
Posts: 11518
Loc: ND/FL - USA
Originally Posted By: GC
Is it illegal to purchase 33 rifles in one month?



Obviously not, but it would likely be an indicator of illegal intent... i.e. Gun Running, Straw Purchases, Assembling an Arsenal for illegal activities such as the one just encountered. Such activity might suggest someone in law enforcement look into this individual more closely.

At any rate, it's not normal. When is the last time you purchased 33 guns in a month? For that matter, 33 guns in a year? Fact is, the vast majority of folks won't purchase 33 guns in their lifetime. That doesn't necessarily mean you should be harassed if you do, but if you buy that many in a month, someone should maybe be knocking on your door.
_________________________
Think about how stupid the average person is, then stop and realize... Half of them are stupider than that! -- George Carlin

Top
#3095513 - 10/05/17 11:37 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
pyscodog Online
PM Junkie

Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 15435
Loc: okla
Surely someone with an FFL can set us straight on the legals concerning this.
_________________________


Stay away from negative people, they have a problem for every solution.

Top
#3095514 - 10/05/17 11:41 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Rocky1 Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 11/24/10
Posts: 11518
Loc: ND/FL - USA
Quote:
Summary of Federal Law

Federal law does not limit the number of guns a person may buy in any given time period. However, federal law does require federal firearm licensees (“FFLs”) to report multiple sales of handguns to ATF and other specified law enforcement agencies.13 This reporting requirement was created to enable law enforcement to “monitor and deter illegal interstate commerce in pistols and revolvers by unlicensed persons,”14 though there is no federal requirement that law enforcement actually investigate illegal trafficking.

In addition, because long guns have become Mexican cartels’ “weapons of choice,”15 in 2011 ATF began requiring FFLs in four states along the Mexican border (Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas) to report multiple sales of certain semiautomatic rifles.16 More specifically, the reporting requirement applies to semiautomatic rifles with a caliber greater than .22 and the ability to accept a detachable magazine.17 FFLs who are dealers or pawnbrokers must report to ATF whenever they sell or transfer two or more such weapons to the same person at one time or during any five consecutive business days.18

The federal reporting requirements have helped ATF combat gun trafficking. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, “multiple sales reports provide ATF with timely, actionable leads that can enable it to more quickly identify suspected firearms traffickers and disrupt their operations.”19 During the first eight months after the long gun reporting requirement went into effect for four states bordering Mexico, ATF used those reports to initiate 120 investigations and recommended prosecution of more than 100 defendants in 25 separate cases.20

Federal law falls short in several respects and does not go far enough to ensure that gun traffickers are effectively investigated and prosecuted. First, federal law fails to require law enforcement officers to investigate the multiple sales or purchases of firearms that are reported. Moreover, federal law actually prohibits state and local law enforcement agencies from disclosing reports of multiple sales (other than those involving prohibited purchasers) and requires those agencies to destroy such reports and related records within 20 days of receipt.21 States like California have closed this dangerous loophole by requiring gun sales to be reported to state or local law enforcement. For more information, see our summary on Maintaining Records of Gun Sales.

Summary of State Law

Three states (California, Maryland and New Jersey) have laws limiting handgun purchases or sales to one per month.22

California

California law prohibits anyone from purchasing more than one handgun within any 30-day period. In addition, a licensed firearms dealer may not deliver a handgun to any person after receiving a notification from the California Department of Justice that the purchaser has applied to acquire a handgun within the preceding 30-day period. Finally, firearms dealers must conspicuously post in their licensed premises a warning, in block letters at least one inch in height, notifying purchasers of these restrictions.23

Maryland

Maryland prohibits any person from purchasing more than one handgun or assault weapon within a 30-day period. Under limited circumstances, a person may be approved by the Secretary of the Maryland State Police to purchase multiple handguns or assault weapons in a 30-day period. Maryland also penalizes any dealer or other seller who knowingly participates in an illegal purchase of a handgun or assault weapon.24

New Jersey

New Jersey prohibits licensed firearms dealers from knowingly delivering more than one handgun to any person within any 30-day period. With limited exceptions, people may not purchase more than one handgun within any 30-day period.25

See our summary on Trafficking & Straw Purchases for additional laws to prevent gun trafficking.

Selected Local Law

New York City


State-level efforts (described above) to restrict multiple purchases and sales of firearms generally focus on handguns, and usually limit purchases and/or sales to one per month. New York City, however, takes a more comprehensive approach. The City limits all firearm purchases (not just handguns) to one handgun and one rifle or shotgun every 90 days.26 Before a sale can occur, the seller must check with the governmental authority that licensed the purchaser to make sure the purchaser has not bought another firearm within the previous 90 days. This restriction is a powerful disincentive to gun traffickers, who prefer to buy and transport multiple weapons at one time. By preventing bulk sales, the City has taken an important step toward thwarting the accumulation of weapons in the hands of criminals.


http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/crime-guns/bulk-gun-purchases/
_________________________
Think about how stupid the average person is, then stop and realize... Half of them are stupider than that! -- George Carlin

Top
#3095516 - 10/05/17 11:44 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Rocky1 Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 11/24/10
Posts: 11518
Loc: ND/FL - USA
The problem with the guidelines established in that article are... If you purchase 1 gun from 4 different Gun Shops, no one has the requirement to report a bulk sale.
_________________________
Think about how stupid the average person is, then stop and realize... Half of them are stupider than that! -- George Carlin

Top
#3095517 - 10/05/17 11:45 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Rocky1]
SixsixtyMags Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 02/01/16
Posts: 800
Loc: Pocono Mts.Pa.
I knew a guy that purchased a pile of 600 Mohawks for $99 when Remington announced they were going to discontinue making them. He hung onto them for awhile and started selling some for $149, he hung onto the rest and eventually sold them for $450.
Should buying a large number of weapons set off alarms, maybe, but this guy had no intentions of harming anyone and had the foresight to make some money down the road, it was an investment on his part.
I wish I had bought a bunch of factory ammo, or even just brass, for the 6.5 and .350 Rem Mag's when it was available, I would be doing a whole lot better than my IRA if I slowly sold it off at current prices! laugh
I do have a healthy stash of it, but it ain't going nowhere!

Top
#3095518 - 10/05/17 11:48 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Plant.One Offline
Die Hard Member with a vengeance

Registered: 02/12/15
Posts: 4827
Loc: Oakland County, MI
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...nths/730634001/


Quote:
Stephen Paddock, the man whose Las Vegas shooting rampage killed 58 people and left more than 500 injured, bought 33 guns in the past year, a law enforcement official said Wednesday.

Some of Paddock’s gun purchases date back more than 20 years, but authorities have determined that more than 30 of the firearms were acquired in the past 12 months, the official said.

The official who is not authorized to comment publicly said that most of the recent purchases were rifles. Authorities have been closely examining the buying spree in an effort to determine what drove the 64-year-old man to launch the deadliest shooting in modern American history.

Under federal law, gun stores are required to report multiple handgun purchases to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives but not multiple rifle purchases.



so yet again, looks like we got some bad info from the media early on. not shocking.
_________________________
All reloading info shared is based on my experiences in my guns. Follow safe reloading practice and work up loads from published minimum data.
This disclaimer will self destruct in 10 seconds.


Top
#3095520 - 10/05/17 11:55 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Plant.One]
Rocky1 Offline
PM Junkie

Registered: 11/24/10
Posts: 11518
Loc: ND/FL - USA
Originally Posted By: Plant.One
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...nths/730634001/


Quote:
Stephen Paddock, the man whose Las Vegas shooting rampage killed 58 people and left more than 500 injured, bought 33 guns in the past year, a law enforcement official said Wednesday.

Some of Paddock’s gun purchases date back more than 20 years, but authorities have determined that more than 30 of the firearms were acquired in the past 12 months, the official said.

The official who is not authorized to comment publicly said that most of the recent purchases were rifles. Authorities have been closely examining the buying spree in an effort to determine what drove the 64-year-old man to launch the deadliest shooting in modern American history.

Under federal law, gun stores are required to report multiple handgun purchases to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives but not multiple rifle purchases.



so yet again, looks like we got some bad info from the media early on. not shocking.



Oh no... not surprising at all. Don't know how many times I heard on the radio this morning that installing a bump stock would allow the AR 15 to fire HUNDREDS of rounds per minute. Finally, just after lunch, that got changed to, installing a bump stock would allow the AR 15 to fire rapidly, and Paddack had used one to fire hundreds of rounds into the crowd.
_________________________
Think about how stupid the average person is, then stop and realize... Half of them are stupider than that! -- George Carlin

Top
#3095523 - 10/06/17 12:03 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Foxpro.223 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 1515
Loc: WY
They're going to concoct the story and spin it everyway they can as to make the people believe we need more laws and regulations.

Wouldn't be surprised if this is why it is taking so long to get the story out while the MSM is spreading all kinds of disinfo and molding the gun control narrative while an official cover story is being manufactured to fit their narrative of how they want it to be and not how it really is.

The guy is probably either a patsy or a moo-slim connected to international terrorism or both and they don't want us to know that. They want us to believe he was a nutjob with access to unlimited amounts of firepower.









_________________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” ~ Richard Henry Lee
2 Corinthians 3:17




Top
#3095534 - 10/06/17 12:35 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Infidel 762 Online
Moderator

Registered: 04/04/14
Posts: 6966
Loc: Okie
33 from FFL? Ain't nothing to buy up an entire estate sale...

If this truly is a false flag it is one heluva scheme... even the NRA is drinking the koolaid;


Top
#3095546 - 10/06/17 02:02 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Plant.One Offline
Die Hard Member with a vengeance

Registered: 02/12/15
Posts: 4827
Loc: Oakland County, MI
i take everything alex jones says with a grain of salt and some of it needs the shot of tequila as the chaser too.....


but every once in a while he goes on a hot streak so who knows

#passthetinfoil ohmy grin



_________________________
All reloading info shared is based on my experiences in my guns. Follow safe reloading practice and work up loads from published minimum data.
This disclaimer will self destruct in 10 seconds.


Top
#3095576 - 10/06/17 09:04 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Foxpro.223 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 1515
Loc: WY
_________________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” ~ Richard Henry Lee
2 Corinthians 3:17




Top
#3095586 - 10/06/17 09:48 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

Moderator/Webmaster

Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 23899
Loc: Have gun, will travel
FWIW, regarding spent brass, the suite is 1800 sq ft, bigger than a lot of 3 bedroom houses. we may simply have not seen pics of the area where he was doing the shooting from.
_________________________
If a fire fighter fights fires, then what does a freedom fighter fight?

Keep calm and crazy on


Top
#3095600 - 10/06/17 11:19 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Plant.One Offline
Die Hard Member with a vengeance

Registered: 02/12/15
Posts: 4827
Loc: Oakland County, MI
the link i posted 3 days ago with the image of the bump stocked rifle in it... one of the other crime scene photos in the link showed a rifle laying in a pile of spent brass

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/10/9...-reveal-answer/

Originally Posted By: screenshot
_________________________
All reloading info shared is based on my experiences in my guns. Follow safe reloading practice and work up loads from published minimum data.
This disclaimer will self destruct in 10 seconds.


Top
#3291613 - 01/19/22 07:19 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Foxpro.223 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 1515
Loc: WY
Documentary called Route 91

A lot of interesting points made.

https://futurenews.news/watch?id=61e0e6c1d5672471accce7df

_________________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” ~ Richard Henry Lee
2 Corinthians 3:17




Top
#3291689 - 01/20/22 08:16 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
masshunter Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 12/10/08
Posts: 1258
Loc: western mass
Watched it a few days ago, interesting stuff, but IMO spoiled by too much conspiracy BS. Some things were out there but I agree a lot of things should have been public. Compared to all the press on Kyle Rittenhouse, and school shootings this was buried pretty fast. There had to be a lot more cameras in parking lots and doorways that would have picked up other shooters. Watching the cops raid the fridge and eating pringles was a good laugh.
Its long, but its worth watching with an open mind.

Top
#3291858 - 01/21/22 08:56 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Foxpro.223 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 1515
Loc: WY
It's interesting how much info pertaining to this has been scrubbed from the internet.
_________________________
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” ~ Richard Henry Lee
2 Corinthians 3:17




Top
Page 1 of 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 >



Moderator:  Infidel 762, Stu Farish 

© Predator Masters™, All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.