it appears at least one of the weapons had a bump-fire style stock on it

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/10/9...-reveal-answer/

direct link to fb image from the link above showing the bumpfire stock (wont display properly here on the site)
https://scontent.fdet1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v...amp;oe=5A452682






i had wondered if that was the case, based on one of the video's i saw and the perceived varied rate of fire i was hearing. wasnt sure if it was an acoustic thing or not...

have heard several people who were there stating that they couldn't figure out where the shots were coming from. Even stating that at first they thought it to be fireworks. SO, it's fully understandable to see people hunkered down since they had no idea where the actual threat was. Several people have stated that they thought it to be more than one shooter even.
SO it was pure confusion, so people really didn't know what to do or where to go. Run? Which way?

you guys ever been to a concert? think about how long it took to get out once it was over & that's with everyone being calm & orderly.

now toss in being shot at, some panic & a near total lack of cover or concealment.

Would like to hear the girlfriends story about this guy from Law Enforcement not the news media. I thought I heard she went to Japan.

This guy seems to know where the shots are coming from...

And that drunk S.O.B. may have attracted attention that brought a hail storm of bullets in his vicinity... killing or wounding those around him.

If you watch the video you see they are all still huddled together illuminated by the stage light. That crowd was already the target. They turned the bright white stage lights on the crowd when the shooting started and left it on.

I guess the words with the pic are in poor taste..

Strange, I deleted that pic from my SmugMug and it still shows. I could edit your post to remove it but I ain't gonna. I posted sumthin in bad taste, I'll admit it and leave it at that:)

Lots of stuff just doesn't add up on this scenario. Why would a guy not known to be a nut job and with plenty of money do this knowing his time on earth would soon be up? What if he was dead before the shooting started being nothing more than the fall guy? I'm convinced that Hillary's hitman can successfully frame a suicide and she did come out on gun control before the smoke cleared. Ask yourself this......would you put something like this past Hillary, Obama, Soros to further their plan to divide the country? Ok, my tinfoil hat is now off but IMO anything is possible considering those three.

It is really not a wonder that something like this happens when the media and entertainment world have been promoting violence and a race agenda against Americans for a while now.

It really doesn't take a genius to see that there is obviously an agenda going on here.

Exactly my thoughts. Honestly, "getting small" is about the best chance one would have at being safe in this situation. It was a good plan by the gunman. Evil, obviously, but efficient.

When my wife and I first saw this Monday morning we thought the same thing, nothing would surprise me. Same as Chris Kyle's murder, the chopper with seal team 6 and other SF being shot down after Bin Laden being shot and Benghazi it all stinks.

yep, this whole incident looks more and more fishy as things continue unfold. A lot of disinformation being put out there, accusations from ISIS to Antifa. His Filipino girlfriend arrived back in USA in a wheel chair, she has 2 social security numbers, simultaneously married to two different men, had thousands of dollars wired to her in the Philippines, and now she invoked her rights to an attorney before answering any questions.

It could be as simple as a 64 year old man went nuts and killed a bunch of people. No doubt there are many conspiracies theories lacking undeniable evidence. Something is definitely up.

Given the situation I would lawyer up as well. I'm completely unattached to the shooting and if I was asked to come in regarding it, it would be with an atty at my hip. And I hate atty's


In ref to the 500ish yard handgun shot being a 50/50 success, pass what you're smoking because it must be the good stuff

You can't compare a handgun hunter with the proper equipment, placement and frame of mind to someone with a 4" semi auto being shot at in a crowd of panic from an unknown position.

The right gun, the right person, and at the right place in time makes a world of difference. Just being in a position to put pressure on a shooter will save lives as a killer now has to address a threat. No killer is looking for a fight and they're generally not prepared for one.

None of those factors are present in that crowd. At best you have an ineffective round getting shot 'over there'. Put a handgun outside his room though, different story.

I recently learned that NFL games employ a professional sniper in an elevated position watching the crowd. I'm guessing concerts will start doing the same soon.

difi introduced a bill to ban bump fire stocks. that was as predictable as yesterdays sunrise.

doesn't do anything to address the problem, they never have any interest in that. if they did they would be trying to address they "why" rather than the "what with", as the "what with" is always easily replaced with something else.