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#3094833 - 10/03/17 09:18 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Stu Farish]
swampwalker Offline
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Originally Posted By: Stu Farish
you keep missing the fact that he wasn't just over 400' away. he wasn't shooting people on the sidewalk at the base of the building. he was at least 100 yards away & what I've seen reported claimed 1000 to 1200 feet, which is more on the order of 300 - 400 yards.

you really think that with a handgun from that distance you could do anything effective? with NO possibility of putting rounds through the windows of other rooms in the hotel, possibly hitting other people?

I know -not think, I KNOW- that I couldn't shoot a pistol that well.


Normally, I'd say no way someone can do this, but I bet T-bone has had some experience in extreme long distance handgun shooting. As impossible as it seems to neutralize a barricaded man 300 yds away behind cover in an unknown location, I'd say the odds would be about 50/50


Edited by swampwalker (10/03/17 09:40 AM)

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#3094835 - 10/03/17 09:22 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
Stu Farish Offline

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lot's of crap floating around, most of which likely isn't accurate.

most of what we have at this point is simply guessing.

We do know that he had no significant criminal record, as a gun store that sold him some guns reported that he passed the NICS checks for them. We know that there are no reported known mental issues in the past. there was no reason to strip him of any of his rights that have been revealed so far.

the press has made much over the fact that in total he has 42 guns. so what? I've had that many at times, though I think right now I'm a bit under that total. not sure without doing a count. he had a lot of ammo. well, if you have guns you usually have ammo for them & if they're in different calibers that can turn into a lot of ammo pretty quick. lots of us have a bunch of guns & lots of ammo. I hand load most of mine so I not only have a lot of ammo, I have a lot of powder, primers, brass & bullets to make it with as well as the tools to do so. having a bunch of guns & ammo is neither a crime nor an indication that you have any harmful intent, I've had this stuff for decades.

I've seen a fair bit of alarmist reporting about his having had explosives, but now it seems to just be tannerite. They make it sound like he was on the brink of being the Ok City bomber & then reveal that he had a reactive substance that people quite commonly buy to shoot at, not a thing unusual in someone having some.

some have made a point bout his dad's record but that's irrelevant. we don't punish people & take their rights away for crimes they had no involvement in or responsibility for.

the big unanswered question is "why?". maybe we'll figure it out one day, maybe not. I can think of several possibilities but it's all just guessing, so I won't do that right now. I would like to know why, if it can be determined.
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#3094836 - 10/03/17 09:24 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: GC]
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Registered: 03/09/17
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Loc: 2D Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: GC
After watching several videos of this tragedy I'm struck by three things. The fact that many people just layed down and did nothing, the fact many people felt the first and best thing to do was to get the phone out and video as they were hunkered down in the open getting shot at with full auto rifle fire and the numbers of people that wouldn't drop their beer while they ran or while they lay on the ground hoping they didn't get shot. Amazing ...


The guy opened fire at the very end of the concert. I'm sure a lot of those people were tired, drunk, and/or stoned out of their minds. I wouldn't expect a lot of critical thinking to be going on in that type of situation.

As for the phones, refer to an episode of Black Mirror. It's what people do now, I guess. I saw a bear one morning on the way into work. The first thing my wife asked was, "Did you get a picture with your phone?!" No...actually that was the farthest thing from my mind.
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#3094837 - 10/03/17 09:26 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: GrizleyHunter]
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Originally Posted By: GrizleyHunter
They need to find out where this sick Bas---D did his shooting practice and the family saying they did not know anything in his history that would make them think something was wrong with him I callBS


Apparently you've never known someone that has surprised you before.

I knew a woman, who was a friend and a co-worker. One day she said, "Let's go to the bar and have a drink, just chill out and forget about this place." I declined, since it was a work night and I had to get up early the next day. Well, that night she went home, started a quad in a closed up garage, and killed herself. I never saw it coming. Never had even the slightest clue she would do that.

EDIT: A friend of mine was very, very good friends with a girl I went to high school with. Same thing. One night she went home, laid down in bed, swallowed the barrel of a pistol and ended it right there. NO ONE saw it coming. Sometimes people just lose it, and you won't see it coming.


Edited by Flesh Eater (10/03/17 09:28 AM)
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#3094839 - 10/03/17 09:28 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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he lived in NV, his brother lives in FL.

his brother would know what he was up to & where he went for target practice, well, how, exactly?
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#3094845 - 10/03/17 09:38 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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To bad nobody was able to make an announcement to run, just to put people into gear. It does seem like many people just hunkered down in the open without cover. The floor looks concrete as well which would mean a lot of skipped rounds to add to the damage.

Lots of things don't add up with this one. Obviously, a lot of planning and thought went into this. With that normally going to have some type of motive. Unless there was one and they're keeping it quiet.

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#3094847 - 10/03/17 09:56 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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Jason Aldean sure didn't hang around. His fight or flight kicked in and he boot scootin boogied out of there! I'm not criticizing him, it's what his natural instinct was and he did it. Like my first post about the crowds reaction it's just an interesting human nature observation.
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#3094856 - 10/03/17 11:00 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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I'm surprised no one ran towards the stage, to seek cover there. I'm sure security booked it right behind the performers. But again, booze, drugs, late night, mass hysteria, hard to say what I would've done. Probably staggered around drunk, wondering what was going on and got mowed down by gun fire.
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#3094859 - 10/03/17 11:18 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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bet most all the people had no idea where the gunfire was coming from.
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#3094861 - 10/03/17 11:34 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: GC]
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Originally Posted By: GC
Jason Aldean sure didn't hang around. His fight or flight kicked in and he boot scootin boogied out of there! I'm not criticizing him, it's what his natural instinct was and he did it. Like my first post about the crowds reaction it's just an interesting human nature observation.


There’s a good chance he had some experienced security folks that had a plan too.

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#3094862 - 10/03/17 11:38 AM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: swampwalker]
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Originally Posted By: swampwalker
To bad nobody was able to make an announcement to run, just to put people into gear. It does seem like many people just hunkered down in the open without cover. The floor looks concrete as well which would mean a lot of skipped rounds to add to the damage.

Lots of things don't add up with this one. Obviously, a lot of planning and thought went into this. With that normally going to have some type of motive. Unless there was one and they're keeping it quiet.


Maybe they are keeping quite what they know about motive.
Nothing except he was a nut would work.
Anything else wouldn't work for anybody.

I wonder if we will ever know.
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#3094869 - 10/03/17 12:25 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: swampwalker]
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Registered: 02/12/15
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Loc: Oakland County, MI
Originally Posted By: swampwalker
To bad nobody was able to make an announcement to run, just to put people into gear. It does seem like many people just hunkered down in the open without cover.



there was really no place to go.

the area was secured by a fence to keep folks who didnt have tickets out. which basically acted like a corral. exit/entrance was severely limited. had someone mad an announcement to run - and set off a possible worse panic - there likely would have been a lot more injuries due to people getting trampled.

tens of thousands of people trying to get out of a couple exits in a pure blind panic fed by people on a loudspeaker system yelling run is a recipe for disaster on a scale even beyond what this tragedy has already handed out





thoughts and prayers to the family's of all the dead and wounded.
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#3094873 - 10/03/17 12:31 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: tnshootist]
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Originally Posted By: tnshootist
Originally Posted By: swampwalker
To bad nobody was able to make an announcement to run, just to put people into gear. It does seem like many people just hunkered down in the open without cover. The floor looks concrete as well which would mean a lot of skipped rounds to add to the damage.

Lots of things don't add up with this one. Obviously, a lot of planning and thought went into this. With that normally going to have some type of motive. Unless there was one and they're keeping it quiet.


Maybe they are keeping quite what they know about motive.
Nothing except he was a nut would work.
Anything else wouldn't work for anybody.

I wonder if we will ever know.


There is definitely a motive. This was premeditated. There was a lot of thought put into how he was going to carry this out. Imo, I'm leaning towards he was an anti-Trump anti republican nutcase. For the simple fact that he picked a country music festival to carry out his act of evil. Again, this is just my opinion.
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#3094878 - 10/03/17 12:43 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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And I see the bill concerning silencers has been shelved indefinitely. It's amazing how one tweet, of pure ignorance, can make everyone declare it so without using reason, logic, or evidence.
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#3094883 - 10/03/17 01:02 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: 6724]
DesertRam Offline
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Originally Posted By: 6724
Anyone here read Matt Bracken's book "Enemies, foreign and domestic". This event is straight out of the book.


Eerily similar to the stadium massacre, no? How much else in common...
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