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#3094639 - 10/02/17 12:56 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Bad Dawg]
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Originally Posted By: Bad Dawg
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
[quote=Tbone-AZ
If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.



return fire to a guy 32 stories up with a ccw? seriously? smile


I agree. There is very little a handgun would have done to stop the perp in this incident. [/quote]

Ever been shot at?

right, because standing there in a crowd of hundreds and doing nothing is the correct answer.

However futile, firing at a window that is just over 130yrds would have forced him to take cover. That time would allow hundreds to move and seek cover. (also as soon as he was faced LE, he committed suicide) 32 floors is under 400', 400 feet works out to 120meters

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#3094640 - 10/02/17 01:02 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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Just wondering, the shooter was on the 32nd floor. What floor was the concert on? I haven't stumbled across that yet. OK, I can't delete this post but I guess it was an outdoor venue.


Edited by jumprightinit (10/02/17 01:05 PM)
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#3094643 - 10/02/17 01:12 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Tbone-AZ]
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Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ
Originally Posted By: Bad Dawg
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
[quote=Tbone-AZ
If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.



return fire to a guy 32 stories up with a ccw? seriously? smile


I agree. There is very little a handgun would have done to stop the perp in this incident.


Ever been shot at?

right, because standing there in a crowd of hundreds and doing nothing is the correct answer.

However futile, firing at a window that is just over 130yrds would have forced him to take cover. That time would allow hundreds to move and seek cover. (also as soon as he was faced LE, he committed suicide) 32 floors is under 400', 400 feet works out to 120meters

[/quote]


Originally Posted By: Stu Farish
reported distance was about 1200 feet. I know I wouldn't have been able to put rounds through his window with a pistol. maybe I coulda hit some folks in rooms all around him...


Tbone,
did you know there were more than 22,000 people at the concert?



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#3094646 - 10/02/17 01:18 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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it was an outdoor venue across from the hotel.
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#3094647 - 10/02/17 01:19 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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At 406 yards away, the shooter never even would've noticed a handgun being fired back at him. He would've been deafened by the blasts inside the room and never would've seen the muzzle flash from a pistol. All you would've accomplished was probably sending rounds through the air which could possibly strike innocent bystanders.
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#3094649 - 10/02/17 01:24 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Flesh Eater]
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Originally Posted By: Flesh Eater
At 406 yards away, the shooter never even would've noticed a handgun being fired back at him. He would've been deafened by the blasts inside the room and never would've seen the muzzle flash from a pistol. All you would've accomplished was probably sending rounds through the air which could possibly strike innocent bystanders.


Exactly.
And you would have had about a zero chance of even locating the source of the shooting considering distance, concert noise, and darkness.

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#3094668 - 10/02/17 03:20 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Tbone-AZ]
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Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ
Originally Posted By: Bad Dawg
[quote=SlickerThanSnot][quote=Tbone-AZ
If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.



Ever been shot at?

right, because standing there in a crowd of hundreds and doing nothing is the correct answer.

However futile, firing at a window that is just over 130yrds would have forced him to take cover. That time would allow hundreds to move and seek cover. (also as soon as he was faced LE, he committed suicide) 32 floors is under 400', 400 feet works out to 120meters



Maybe, maybe not. I guess something would have been better than nothing, like you mentioned. With that being said, I don't know much about the cpl laws out there in Vegas but I don't believe you can legally take a handgun into a venue like that.
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#3094670 - 10/02/17 03:41 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ

If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.





This gets my vote for WOW ! post of the year !

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#3094674 - 10/02/17 03:46 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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Pulling carry gun and firing in a crowd that size is good way to get a beat down or even shot.
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#3094675 - 10/02/17 03:47 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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I carry everywhere I'm allowed & a lot of places I'm not. I just don't see how it would have done me any good had I been at the show when this happened.
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#3094676 - 10/02/17 03:47 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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Drawing a carry gun and firing in a crowd that size is good way to get a beat down or even shot.
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#3094678 - 10/02/17 03:50 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Tbone-AZ]
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Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ
Originally Posted By: Bad Dawg
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
[quote=Tbone-AZ
If concert goers were CCW holders and allowed to carry they could have returned fire.



return fire to a guy 32 stories up with a ccw? seriously? smile


I agree. There is very little a handgun would have done to stop the perp in this incident.


Ever been shot at? Yeah, a guy unloaded a .38 revolver at me and my partner while we were in a boat out in the middle of a river. You could see the bullets hitting the water, his alignment was ok but the bullets were hitting the water about 40 yds short. The shooter was about 200 yds from us and on the same level. Given the circumstances in this shooting a pistol shot from the crowd would probably hit a couple of stories below where the shooter was. Thats just my opinion and that would depend a lot on the pistol and the person shooting it.

right, because standing there in a crowd of hundreds and doing nothing is the correct answer.

However futile, firing at a window that is just over 130yrds would have forced him to take cover. That time would allow hundreds to move and seek cover. (also as soon as he was faced LE, he committed suicide) 32 floors is under 400', 400 feet works out to 120meters

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Edited by jumprightinit (10/02/17 03:51 PM)
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#3094681 - 10/02/17 04:05 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Flesh Eater]
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Originally Posted By: Flesh Eater
I was just about to post what everyone else stated. Handguns would've been useless in this situation, but would've been useful in Nice, France. For sure.


Good point. There are many, many situations where this is the case.
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#3094684 - 10/02/17 04:22 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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you keep missing the fact that he wasn't just over 400' away. he wasn't shooting people on the sidewalk at the base of the building. he was at least 100 yards away & what I've seen reported claimed 1000 to 1200 feet, which is more on the order of 300 - 400 yards.

you really think that with a handgun from that distance you could do anything effective? with NO possibility of putting rounds through the windows of other rooms in the hotel, possibly hitting other people?

I know -not think, I KNOW- that I couldn't shoot a pistol that well.
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#3094685 - 10/02/17 04:23 PM Re: Las Vegas Shooting 50 Reported Dead 200 Injured [Re: Foxpro.223]
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my guess is if someone had even TRIED to return fire with a handgun, good chance that he/she would've been shot by police because no one really seemed to know where the shots were coming from.
Firing a CCW in this scenario would've been, well, just stupid.
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