If I were the devil
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Originally Posted By: swampwalkerI don't agree with Fursniper. Using the Bible as a document of authority to defend your religion is the same lame tactic that the Muslims use with the Koran. The defense arguement usually starts with something like "In the beginning".
Text that disturbed goat herders wrote 2,000 years ago should hardly be seen as fact.
“See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”
"But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house. So you shall put away the evil from among you."
These were sick, sick people folks. This is not to hard to figure out.
Again, showing a fundamental lack of understanding and context. Swampy, your outburst of insults are a clear indication of a lack of education when you pass judgement on things in history using today's corrupt standards. Your blindness to the leftist indoctrination you have espoused is disappointing. I would dare you to find a more peer reviewed and accepted "source" than the Bible, or any other theology text. (baring the Scientologists, i haven't read their stuff and wouldn't opine one way or another)
You two are really desperate to some how elevate your beliefs through the trashing of others. A violation of the TOS section 3 Mods. Yet haven't sited (in your words) anything that leads anyone to believe your opinion.
You two jumped in on this thread, and continue to insult the values of others. Others that have been fairly kind considering what you are up to. But, then that also shows their caring and compassion to try and talk to you about it and explain, only to see you insult them again, and again. DO YOU REALLY FEEL BETTER about yourselves after doing that? Does it really make you feel like a better friend to those you talk to? Is that really a value or behavior that you would want to teach to you kids? So far i haven't seen one thing you two have typed that i would share with my kids. I have seen patience and selfless actions of others to try and explain and talk to you. But, as the old saying goes, i cannot teach a man that has a cup that is already full. (meaning you can't learn if you unwilling to listen)
It's pathetic at best, and i used to have a higher opinion for you both.
Acting like a google warriors and pulling single phrases and sentences out of chapters doesn't tell the story of what is being taught. Had you taken the time to read that book, and the entirety of the chapter, you might be better off in your personal life having learned a moral lesson and not so bent on insulting the values of others. Stepping on others doesn't make you taller, it just shows the witnesses of your anger who you are.
And for two obviously angry people, you sure spend a lot of time reading the bible. At this rate, your going to convert yourselves. I guess there is a value in keeping it up, and adding another page to the thread, because without it, i don't think even your mothers could get you two to read this much scripture.
Keep it up, before long you two are going to be born again. I would suggest leaning toward Baptist. They sing the best, and have amazing picnics/pot lucks. The local congregation would be lucky to get Preston grilling.
May the spirit be with you both.
Oh, and i openly admit that i am not virtuous or moral. I don't go to church, I sin, and couldn't tell you the names in the bible. I haven't been to church in over a decade or more, other than a funeral or 20. I turned away from religion of all kinds after being in combat in Afghanistan. You can only dish out so much death before you start to question life. Only over time, and with the kindness of those (like here) will you see that you are just angry and insulting, despite that, they are loving and accepting. That is what will help you find happiness. (your not happy if you feel the need to insult others values for no other reason than to be that kid burning ants with a magnifying glass) I know, i was there. You will be there, as long as you are angry, and until you reflect internally. Hopefully it will change before we run out of pages allowed in a thread.(or it gets locked)
Text that disturbed goat herders wrote 2,000 years ago should hardly be seen as fact.
“See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”
"But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house. So you shall put away the evil from among you."
These were sick, sick people folks. This is not to hard to figure out.
Again, showing a fundamental lack of understanding and context. Swampy, your outburst of insults are a clear indication of a lack of education when you pass judgement on things in history using today's corrupt standards. Your blindness to the leftist indoctrination you have espoused is disappointing. I would dare you to find a more peer reviewed and accepted "source" than the Bible, or any other theology text. (baring the Scientologists, i haven't read their stuff and wouldn't opine one way or another)
You two are really desperate to some how elevate your beliefs through the trashing of others. A violation of the TOS section 3 Mods. Yet haven't sited (in your words) anything that leads anyone to believe your opinion.
You two jumped in on this thread, and continue to insult the values of others. Others that have been fairly kind considering what you are up to. But, then that also shows their caring and compassion to try and talk to you about it and explain, only to see you insult them again, and again. DO YOU REALLY FEEL BETTER about yourselves after doing that? Does it really make you feel like a better friend to those you talk to? Is that really a value or behavior that you would want to teach to you kids? So far i haven't seen one thing you two have typed that i would share with my kids. I have seen patience and selfless actions of others to try and explain and talk to you. But, as the old saying goes, i cannot teach a man that has a cup that is already full. (meaning you can't learn if you unwilling to listen)
It's pathetic at best, and i used to have a higher opinion for you both.
Acting like a google warriors and pulling single phrases and sentences out of chapters doesn't tell the story of what is being taught. Had you taken the time to read that book, and the entirety of the chapter, you might be better off in your personal life having learned a moral lesson and not so bent on insulting the values of others. Stepping on others doesn't make you taller, it just shows the witnesses of your anger who you are.
And for two obviously angry people, you sure spend a lot of time reading the bible. At this rate, your going to convert yourselves. I guess there is a value in keeping it up, and adding another page to the thread, because without it, i don't think even your mothers could get you two to read this much scripture.
Keep it up, before long you two are going to be born again. I would suggest leaning toward Baptist. They sing the best, and have amazing picnics/pot lucks. The local congregation would be lucky to get Preston grilling.
May the spirit be with you both.
Oh, and i openly admit that i am not virtuous or moral. I don't go to church, I sin, and couldn't tell you the names in the bible. I haven't been to church in over a decade or more, other than a funeral or 20. I turned away from religion of all kinds after being in combat in Afghanistan. You can only dish out so much death before you start to question life. Only over time, and with the kindness of those (like here) will you see that you are just angry and insulting, despite that, they are loving and accepting. That is what will help you find happiness. (your not happy if you feel the need to insult others values for no other reason than to be that kid burning ants with a magnifying glass) I know, i was there. You will be there, as long as you are angry, and until you reflect internally. Hopefully it will change before we run out of pages allowed in a thread.(or it gets locked)
Fursniper
Active member
The title of this thread is, "If I were the Devil." To prevent this thread from coming off the tracks, lets focus on Satan for a moment.
Swampy...the examples you shared about the goat herders being sick people is right on the mark. What is more important is WHY did they choose that lifestyle. The reason is that people are not born with an inner sense of moral and ethical principals to know what is right from wrong. That is also why God sent his son Jesus to be among us. So that mankind would establish God's standards for what is good and do away with the rituals man invented to honor God. The farther people drift away from God's standards, the more likely mankind will fail. Paul Harvey makes several points on this in his broadcast.
Here is a video version of the opening post.
Originally Posted By: fw707Do you have any actual evidence to support the existence of the Trinity, outside of the imagination of those who believe it?
Using your book to prove your book isn't too convincing.
Jesus said he was the son of God. He had powers to back up his claims. There were thousands and thousands of eye witnesses that saw Jesus perform the impossible. Jesus was publicly crucified by being nailed to a cross. A few days after his death, he came back to life and interacted with people in the community for about 2 months. Jesus had the nail holes in his hands and feet and showed them to people to prove he was the real deal. At times Jesus interacted with as many as 500 people in a day after his death. Jesus left us with the Holy Spirit when he died. Every country around the world reset their calendar to the year one to coincide with the year Jesus died. That's why our calendar now shows it's the year 2017. The information in the book I am using was written by the eye witnesses who interacted with Jesus and talked to him.
I noticed you refer to the King James version of the Bible. I would like to suggest you get the "NIV Study Bible." It has an introduction to each section that describes who wrote it, when it was written, where the events happened, the purpose of each section, and why that section is included in the bible. Here is a link.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zondervan-NIV-Study-Bible-/382233722429?epid=2319020&hash=item58fee7be3d:g:wPYAAOSwtfhYpOtz
I'm thinking if you had a better bible, you could understand it.
Satan works by deception and his goal is destruction and death. Some of you appear to have been deceived so much that you have become his spokesperson. Bashing God only promotes Satan and leads to the destruction and death that Paul Harvey's broadcast is about.
I hope you guys find God someday and ask the Holy Spirit to come into your life. When you know the truth, its sets you free. Then you won't be wasting so much of your time bashing God on Predator Masters, belittling the members, and being a troll.
Swampy...the examples you shared about the goat herders being sick people is right on the mark. What is more important is WHY did they choose that lifestyle. The reason is that people are not born with an inner sense of moral and ethical principals to know what is right from wrong. That is also why God sent his son Jesus to be among us. So that mankind would establish God's standards for what is good and do away with the rituals man invented to honor God. The farther people drift away from God's standards, the more likely mankind will fail. Paul Harvey makes several points on this in his broadcast.
Here is a video version of the opening post.
Originally Posted By: fw707Do you have any actual evidence to support the existence of the Trinity, outside of the imagination of those who believe it?
Using your book to prove your book isn't too convincing.
Jesus said he was the son of God. He had powers to back up his claims. There were thousands and thousands of eye witnesses that saw Jesus perform the impossible. Jesus was publicly crucified by being nailed to a cross. A few days after his death, he came back to life and interacted with people in the community for about 2 months. Jesus had the nail holes in his hands and feet and showed them to people to prove he was the real deal. At times Jesus interacted with as many as 500 people in a day after his death. Jesus left us with the Holy Spirit when he died. Every country around the world reset their calendar to the year one to coincide with the year Jesus died. That's why our calendar now shows it's the year 2017. The information in the book I am using was written by the eye witnesses who interacted with Jesus and talked to him.
I noticed you refer to the King James version of the Bible. I would like to suggest you get the "NIV Study Bible." It has an introduction to each section that describes who wrote it, when it was written, where the events happened, the purpose of each section, and why that section is included in the bible. Here is a link.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zondervan-NIV-Study-Bible-/382233722429?epid=2319020&hash=item58fee7be3d:g:wPYAAOSwtfhYpOtz
I'm thinking if you had a better bible, you could understand it.
Satan works by deception and his goal is destruction and death. Some of you appear to have been deceived so much that you have become his spokesperson. Bashing God only promotes Satan and leads to the destruction and death that Paul Harvey's broadcast is about.
I hope you guys find God someday and ask the Holy Spirit to come into your life. When you know the truth, its sets you free. Then you won't be wasting so much of your time bashing God on Predator Masters, belittling the members, and being a troll.
swampwalker
New member
I suggest some of you guys, refocus your attention from heaven to the heart. All kinds of People have had the capacity to do right for thousands of years before Jesus showed up. The Buddhist for example have been teaching the Golden rule for 500 years without a God and before the happenings in ancient Palestine.
All those eyewitness account stories Mean very little to me when they're incorporated into a book that contains many passages such as this
“And [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel. While he was on his way, young juveniles* came out from the city and mocked him, saying, ‘Go up, bald-head! Go up, bald-head!’ When he turned back and saw them, he cursed them in the name of YHWH. Then two female bears came out from the forest and mauled forty two of those juveniles.”
I feel sorry for you that you have given up on humanity so much that you believe without a God, we lack basic moral principles such as empathy and generosity.. sad, sad, sad. But hey, if that's what you need to do a good deed, i guess, so be it.
All those eyewitness account stories Mean very little to me when they're incorporated into a book that contains many passages such as this
“And [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel. While he was on his way, young juveniles* came out from the city and mocked him, saying, ‘Go up, bald-head! Go up, bald-head!’ When he turned back and saw them, he cursed them in the name of YHWH. Then two female bears came out from the forest and mauled forty two of those juveniles.”
I feel sorry for you that you have given up on humanity so much that you believe without a God, we lack basic moral principles such as empathy and generosity.. sad, sad, sad. But hey, if that's what you need to do a good deed, i guess, so be it.
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Originally Posted By: swampwalkerI suggest some of you guys, refocus your attention from heaven to the heart. All kinds of People have had the capacity to do right for thousands of years before Jesus showed up. The Buddhist for example have been teaching the Golden rule for 500 years (hey, brain child.. Jesus died 2017 years ago, do the math) without a God and before the happenings in ancient Palestine.
All those eyewitness account stories Mean very little to me when they're incorporated into a book that contains many passages such as this
I feel sorry for you that you have given up on humanity so much that you believe without a God, we lack basic moral principles such as empathy and generosity.. sad, sad, sad. But hey, if that's what you need to do a good deed, i guess, so be it.
THis is just the dumbest thing you have ever said. It's so bad that you can't even see Woddy's posts from the hole you are in.
The more you try and bash on religion and God, the more it seems to me that you have never left the USA and traveled around the world.
Buddhists have Gods, oh boy do they. I lived in Buddhist countries SO, if it's only been around for 500 years how do you explain the Several thousand year old Temples??? the oldest is 6th century BC. But, you miss the reasoning for the Path, the path up the mountain of life. It's the basis of the idea there are many paths up the mountain of life, and following the variety of Gods in the Buddhists belief system, each is able to follow their own path lead by those Gods they idolized. But, at the top of that mountain there is one God over all.
Get up, go visit Buddhist countries, and you will realize how over the top stupid your statement is. Your tantrums about religion, and your copy paste from some hater website or google is just the outbursts of a child. You think that people will just be nice to each other without God. This is also just about the second dumbest thing you have said. Learn some world history of those that have banned GOD.. I am sure the millions of Chinese who have died in reeducation camps would have something differnt to say. (those camps exist today) Talk to the North African's that are being sold into slavery in the regions they don't have religion. Go travel down to Sudan to the gangs that have no religion that are taking girls and selling them as Sex Slaves. (remember #savethegirs nonsense from the Odummers, and those girls are now showing up as suicide bombers that their owners are strapping bombs to them and using them as weapons)
You could always try learning more about the National Socialist party that killed millions in Europe in 1940s you may have heard of them.. They were commonly called NAZIs.
These are the Devils useful idiots.
All those eyewitness account stories Mean very little to me when they're incorporated into a book that contains many passages such as this
I feel sorry for you that you have given up on humanity so much that you believe without a God, we lack basic moral principles such as empathy and generosity.. sad, sad, sad. But hey, if that's what you need to do a good deed, i guess, so be it.
THis is just the dumbest thing you have ever said. It's so bad that you can't even see Woddy's posts from the hole you are in.
The more you try and bash on religion and God, the more it seems to me that you have never left the USA and traveled around the world.
Buddhists have Gods, oh boy do they. I lived in Buddhist countries SO, if it's only been around for 500 years how do you explain the Several thousand year old Temples??? the oldest is 6th century BC. But, you miss the reasoning for the Path, the path up the mountain of life. It's the basis of the idea there are many paths up the mountain of life, and following the variety of Gods in the Buddhists belief system, each is able to follow their own path lead by those Gods they idolized. But, at the top of that mountain there is one God over all.
Get up, go visit Buddhist countries, and you will realize how over the top stupid your statement is. Your tantrums about religion, and your copy paste from some hater website or google is just the outbursts of a child. You think that people will just be nice to each other without God. This is also just about the second dumbest thing you have said. Learn some world history of those that have banned GOD.. I am sure the millions of Chinese who have died in reeducation camps would have something differnt to say. (those camps exist today) Talk to the North African's that are being sold into slavery in the regions they don't have religion. Go travel down to Sudan to the gangs that have no religion that are taking girls and selling them as Sex Slaves. (remember #savethegirs nonsense from the Odummers, and those girls are now showing up as suicide bombers that their owners are strapping bombs to them and using them as weapons)
You could always try learning more about the National Socialist party that killed millions in Europe in 1940s you may have heard of them.. They were commonly called NAZIs.
These are the Devils useful idiots.
That's because it's the root of the issue, and inner reflection is the solution.
It's very funny that you don't see the relation between refusing to reflect internally and your need to insult religious views and beliefs as psyco-babble. (also known as strong moral corrector)
It's like watching a 3rd grader drop to the floor at school and throw a tantrum and insult the rest of the class for his own lack of understanding.
Truth hurts, don't melt.
At least Swampy, as misguided as he is with his leftist indoctrination from community college is trying to make an educated, yet flawed, argument that you can have a moral society without religion. clearly trying to have a discussion about how, and keeps trying, to point to the novelty idea of religion, (driveled out from colleges and community colleges) from the "enlightened" point of view that it's possible to have a society without being tied to the bounds and limits that pit one against another for a Utopian peace. Yet, there is no example of that in the world working on more than a local tribe scales as human nature, also referenced as the Devils playground, always sneaks in and ruins it. There will always be a thief and murderer, or sinner if you prefer.
See, that is really the root of what is going on.. Some were just being Christians and clearly demonstrating that by trying to show you a path, and yet not push, for someone that I think we would all like to see get over whatever anger you have, from whatever has caused it. It's obvious, denial and calling it Psyco babble doesn't change its persistent presence. I really hope that at some point you reflect enough to seek help you will accept. The people in Swampy's world pay per hour, The people in the religious world have a book to guide you and plenty of aides willing to mentor you, for free, because that is what a community provides for you. Strength in numbers like we see in packs in nature. I have needed more than my fair share of support, but turned around and been there for those in need, when they needed it.
anyways, a couple were making a point to try and keep the lid on the pot and not see a full scale name calling argument ensue. while a few others tried to stoke the pot to try and have a lively debate.
I am not behind on the subject, just responding to the blatant underlying issue i see happening. It's not just the words shared, it's also motivations. The underlying things affecting everyone that makes them who they are and why they click on one post or another and skip others entirely. This is a community, and many have been supportive, educational, and tough, but always respectful. Then there is the kid that comes in and stomps around and insults the conversationalists because he doesn't like what they are saying. Again like the 3rd grader reference before.
But, it's all for not for now, since the person with fingers in their ears cannot hear. Doesn't mean i won't keep trying, and doesn't mean i won't keep speaking up when that 3rd grader is just saying insulting things just to be mean.
It's very funny that you don't see the relation between refusing to reflect internally and your need to insult religious views and beliefs as psyco-babble. (also known as strong moral corrector)
It's like watching a 3rd grader drop to the floor at school and throw a tantrum and insult the rest of the class for his own lack of understanding.
Truth hurts, don't melt.
At least Swampy, as misguided as he is with his leftist indoctrination from community college is trying to make an educated, yet flawed, argument that you can have a moral society without religion. clearly trying to have a discussion about how, and keeps trying, to point to the novelty idea of religion, (driveled out from colleges and community colleges) from the "enlightened" point of view that it's possible to have a society without being tied to the bounds and limits that pit one against another for a Utopian peace. Yet, there is no example of that in the world working on more than a local tribe scales as human nature, also referenced as the Devils playground, always sneaks in and ruins it. There will always be a thief and murderer, or sinner if you prefer.
See, that is really the root of what is going on.. Some were just being Christians and clearly demonstrating that by trying to show you a path, and yet not push, for someone that I think we would all like to see get over whatever anger you have, from whatever has caused it. It's obvious, denial and calling it Psyco babble doesn't change its persistent presence. I really hope that at some point you reflect enough to seek help you will accept. The people in Swampy's world pay per hour, The people in the religious world have a book to guide you and plenty of aides willing to mentor you, for free, because that is what a community provides for you. Strength in numbers like we see in packs in nature. I have needed more than my fair share of support, but turned around and been there for those in need, when they needed it.
anyways, a couple were making a point to try and keep the lid on the pot and not see a full scale name calling argument ensue. while a few others tried to stoke the pot to try and have a lively debate.
I am not behind on the subject, just responding to the blatant underlying issue i see happening. It's not just the words shared, it's also motivations. The underlying things affecting everyone that makes them who they are and why they click on one post or another and skip others entirely. This is a community, and many have been supportive, educational, and tough, but always respectful. Then there is the kid that comes in and stomps around and insults the conversationalists because he doesn't like what they are saying. Again like the 3rd grader reference before.
But, it's all for not for now, since the person with fingers in their ears cannot hear. Doesn't mean i won't keep trying, and doesn't mean i won't keep speaking up when that 3rd grader is just saying insulting things just to be mean.
swampwalker
New member
Clearly, you know very little about Buddhism. In no way are God or Gods central to Buddhist teachings. The budda hardly mentioned anything having to do with an afterlife and often steered his monks away from speculative talk about it.
By the way, nice correction on my quote. but, if you read again, you'll see that you're the brainchild. " 500 years BEFORE Jesus" means that the Budda was around about 2,500 years ago, Give or take a few.
I find it interesting that someone who self identifies as not being very religious, believes that society needs religion to function. Have fun explaining that one
By the way, nice correction on my quote. but, if you read again, you'll see that you're the brainchild. " 500 years BEFORE Jesus" means that the Budda was around about 2,500 years ago, Give or take a few.
I find it interesting that someone who self identifies as not being very religious, believes that society needs religion to function. Have fun explaining that one
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Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZThat's because it's the root of the issue, and inner reflection is the solution.
It's very funny that you don't see the relation between refusing to reflect internally and your need to insult religious views and beliefs as psyco-babble. (also known as strong moral corrector)
It's like watching a 3rd grader drop to the floor at school and throw a tantrum and insult the rest of the class for his own lack of understanding.
Truth hurts, don't melt.
At least Swampy, as misguided as he is with his leftist indoctrination from community college is trying to make an educated, yet flawed, argument that you can have a moral society without religion. clearly trying to have a discussion about how, and keeps trying, to point to the novelty idea of religion, (driveled out from colleges and community colleges) from the "enlightened" point of view that it's possible to have a society without being tied to the bounds and limits that pit one against another for a Utopian peace. Yet, there is no example of that in the world working on more than a local tribe scales as human nature, also referenced as the Devils playground, always sneaks in and ruins it. There will always be a thief and murderer, or sinner if you prefer.
See, that is really the root of what is going on.. Some were just being Christians and clearly demonstrating that by trying to show you a path, and yet not push, for someone that I think we would all like to see get over whatever anger you have, from whatever has caused it. It's obvious, denial and calling it Psyco babble doesn't change its persistent presence. I really hope that at some point you reflect enough to seek help you will accept. The people in Swampy's world pay per hour, The people in the religious world have a book to guide you and plenty of aides willing to mentor you, for free, because that is what a community provides for you. Strength in numbers like we see in packs in nature. I have needed more than my fair share of support, but turned around and been there for those in need, when they needed it.
anyways, a couple were making a point to try and keep the lid on the pot and not see a full scale name calling argument ensue. while a few others tried to stoke the pot to try and have a lively debate.
I am not behind on the subject, just responding to the blatant underlying issue i see happening. It's not just the words shared, it's also motivations. The underlying things affecting everyone that makes them who they are and why they click on one post or another and skip others entirely. This is a community, and many have been supportive, educational, and tough, but always respectful. Then there is the kid that comes in and stomps around and insults the conversationalists because he doesn't like what they are saying. Again like the 3rd grader reference before.
But, it's all for not for now, since the person with fingers in their ears cannot hear. Doesn't mean i won't keep trying, and doesn't mean i won't keep speaking up when that 3rd grader is just saying insulting things just to be mean.
Tbone,
I have read that entire post from start to finish.
I will be very honest and say all I see is another psycho-babble lecture.
The only difference is-this time it's a little lighter on the babble and a little heavier on the lecture.
You are supporting the bible, while admitting that you know nothing about it.
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ
I would dare you to find a more peer reviewed and accepted "source" than the Bible, or any other theology text.
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Oh, and i openly admit that i am not virtuous or moral. I don't go to church, I sin, and couldn't tell you the names in the bible. I haven't been to church in over a decade or more,
Remember Pelosi saying "we have to pass it to see what's in it"?
How are you being any different than Nancy Pelosi?
You are fully supporting everything in the Bible, while at the same time you are admitting that you know absolutely nothing about what is in it.
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It's very funny that you don't see the relation between refusing to reflect internally and your need to insult religious views and beliefs as psyco-babble. (also known as strong moral corrector)
It's like watching a 3rd grader drop to the floor at school and throw a tantrum and insult the rest of the class for his own lack of understanding.
Truth hurts, don't melt.
At least Swampy, as misguided as he is with his leftist indoctrination from community college is trying to make an educated, yet flawed, argument that you can have a moral society without religion. clearly trying to have a discussion about how, and keeps trying, to point to the novelty idea of religion, (driveled out from colleges and community colleges) from the "enlightened" point of view that it's possible to have a society without being tied to the bounds and limits that pit one against another for a Utopian peace. Yet, there is no example of that in the world working on more than a local tribe scales as human nature, also referenced as the Devils playground, always sneaks in and ruins it. There will always be a thief and murderer, or sinner if you prefer.
See, that is really the root of what is going on.. Some were just being Christians and clearly demonstrating that by trying to show you a path, and yet not push, for someone that I think we would all like to see get over whatever anger you have, from whatever has caused it. It's obvious, denial and calling it Psyco babble doesn't change its persistent presence. I really hope that at some point you reflect enough to seek help you will accept. The people in Swampy's world pay per hour, The people in the religious world have a book to guide you and plenty of aides willing to mentor you, for free, because that is what a community provides for you. Strength in numbers like we see in packs in nature. I have needed more than my fair share of support, but turned around and been there for those in need, when they needed it.
anyways, a couple were making a point to try and keep the lid on the pot and not see a full scale name calling argument ensue. while a few others tried to stoke the pot to try and have a lively debate.
I am not behind on the subject, just responding to the blatant underlying issue i see happening. It's not just the words shared, it's also motivations. The underlying things affecting everyone that makes them who they are and why they click on one post or another and skip others entirely. This is a community, and many have been supportive, educational, and tough, but always respectful. Then there is the kid that comes in and stomps around and insults the conversationalists because he doesn't like what they are saying. Again like the 3rd grader reference before.
But, it's all for not for now, since the person with fingers in their ears cannot hear. Doesn't mean i won't keep trying, and doesn't mean i won't keep speaking up when that 3rd grader is just saying insulting things just to be mean.
Tbone,
I have read that entire post from start to finish.
I will be very honest and say all I see is another psycho-babble lecture.
The only difference is-this time it's a little lighter on the babble and a little heavier on the lecture.
You are supporting the bible, while admitting that you know nothing about it.
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ
I would dare you to find a more peer reviewed and accepted "source" than the Bible, or any other theology text.
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Oh, and i openly admit that i am not virtuous or moral. I don't go to church, I sin, and couldn't tell you the names in the bible. I haven't been to church in over a decade or more,
Remember Pelosi saying "we have to pass it to see what's in it"?
How are you being any different than Nancy Pelosi?
You are fully supporting everything in the Bible, while at the same time you are admitting that you know absolutely nothing about what is in it.
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tnshootist
New member
You and Swampy are the first fellows I have seen who are experts on all beliefs worldwide.
Some poor souls spend their whole life studying just one.
I don't see how you have time to post here.
You must be much in demand to speak at liberal collages now days.
Your message of there is no God and everything is fine must be very popular.
I guess if you want to study something it would have to be other peoples beliefs. It would be hard to study nothing for very long.Not much to say about nothing.
I guess thats why you just talk about what other people believe.
When you say"I see no evidence" thats about it ain't it.
It's interesting that you see through your eye the world around you and "See no evidence"
What would it take to be evidence?
On the other hand you can see evidence that your ancestors were monkeys.
Of course the facts could change anytime.
Some poor souls spend their whole life studying just one.
I don't see how you have time to post here.
You must be much in demand to speak at liberal collages now days.
Your message of there is no God and everything is fine must be very popular.
I guess if you want to study something it would have to be other peoples beliefs. It would be hard to study nothing for very long.Not much to say about nothing.
I guess thats why you just talk about what other people believe.
When you say"I see no evidence" thats about it ain't it.
It's interesting that you see through your eye the world around you and "See no evidence"
What would it take to be evidence?
On the other hand you can see evidence that your ancestors were monkeys.
Of course the facts could change anytime.
Originally Posted By: tnshootistYou and Swampy are the first fellows I have seen who are experts on all beliefs worldwide.
Some poor souls spend their whole life studying just one.
I don't see how you have time to post here.
You must be much in demand to speak at liberal collages now days.
Your message of there is no God and everything is fine must be very popular.
I guess if you want to study something it would have to be other peoples beliefs. It would be hard to study nothing for very long.Not much to say about nothing.
I guess thats why you just talk about what other people believe.
When you say"I see no evidence" thats about it ain't it.
It's interesting that you see through your eye the world around you and "See no evidence"
What would it take to be evidence?
On the other hand you can see evidence that your ancestors were monkeys.
Of course the facts could change anytime.
tn,
the only thing you did in that entire post was to ridicule the beliefs of others, because those beliefs do not agree with your beliefs.
That adds absolutely nothing to a civil discussion.
Originally Posted By: tnshootist
When you say"I see no evidence" thats about it ain't it.
Well, yes, I guess that's about it really.
What else is there?
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Some poor souls spend their whole life studying just one.
I don't see how you have time to post here.
You must be much in demand to speak at liberal collages now days.
Your message of there is no God and everything is fine must be very popular.
I guess if you want to study something it would have to be other peoples beliefs. It would be hard to study nothing for very long.Not much to say about nothing.
I guess thats why you just talk about what other people believe.
When you say"I see no evidence" thats about it ain't it.
It's interesting that you see through your eye the world around you and "See no evidence"
What would it take to be evidence?
On the other hand you can see evidence that your ancestors were monkeys.
Of course the facts could change anytime.
tn,
the only thing you did in that entire post was to ridicule the beliefs of others, because those beliefs do not agree with your beliefs.
That adds absolutely nothing to a civil discussion.
Originally Posted By: tnshootist
When you say"I see no evidence" thats about it ain't it.
Well, yes, I guess that's about it really.
What else is there?
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tnshootist
New member
Well I didn't mean it as ridicule I mean it as sarcasm.
If I ridiculed your beliefs I apologize.
I should try and hold myself to the standard of respect for others that you have set forth on these many pages.
Or,maybe you can dish it out....
If I ridiculed your beliefs I apologize.
I should try and hold myself to the standard of respect for others that you have set forth on these many pages.
Or,maybe you can dish it out....
Originally Posted By: Fursniper
I hope you guys find God someday and ask the Holy Spirit to come into your life. When you know the truth, its sets you free. Then you won't be wasting so much of your time bashing God on Predator Masters, belittling the members, and being a troll.
Fursniper,
I hope you don't think I am ignoring your comments.
I don't expect to find God any time sooner, or later, any more than I expect to find Zeus or Poseidon.
Please believe me when I say I am not being flippant,but that's the best I can do to help you understand.
If I ever have a spirit in my head I will get myself to the hospital as soon as I can, providing I have retained enough sanity after the experience to make the trip.
I learned the truth a long time ago, and it certainly did set me free.
And I will do my best to get back to you on your bible comments, but it might be better to address that in a whole new thread!!
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I hope you guys find God someday and ask the Holy Spirit to come into your life. When you know the truth, its sets you free. Then you won't be wasting so much of your time bashing God on Predator Masters, belittling the members, and being a troll.
Fursniper,
I hope you don't think I am ignoring your comments.
I don't expect to find God any time sooner, or later, any more than I expect to find Zeus or Poseidon.
Please believe me when I say I am not being flippant,but that's the best I can do to help you understand.
If I ever have a spirit in my head I will get myself to the hospital as soon as I can, providing I have retained enough sanity after the experience to make the trip.
I learned the truth a long time ago, and it certainly did set me free.
And I will do my best to get back to you on your bible comments, but it might be better to address that in a whole new thread!!
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Originally Posted By: tnshootistWell I didn't mean it as ridicule I mean it as sarcasm.
If I ridiculed your beliefs I apologize.
I should try and hold myself to the standard of respect for others that you have set forth on these many pages.
Or,maybe you can dish it out....
tn,
your posts are starting to look like psycho babble lectures.
All you are doing now is picking a fight.
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If I ridiculed your beliefs I apologize.
I should try and hold myself to the standard of respect for others that you have set forth on these many pages.
Or,maybe you can dish it out....
tn,
your posts are starting to look like psycho babble lectures.
All you are doing now is picking a fight.
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tnshootist
New member
After all the insults you have thrown at everyone who disagrees with you.
After all you have said.
After all the disrespect.
Now you want to lecture.
Boy you got a lot of nerve.
For you to accuse anyone. I say anyone, of picking a fight is hypocrisy at it's finest.
After all you have said.
After all the disrespect.
Now you want to lecture.
Boy you got a lot of nerve.
For you to accuse anyone. I say anyone, of picking a fight is hypocrisy at it's finest.
Originally Posted By: tnshootistAfter all the insults you have thrown at everyone who disagrees with you.
After all you have said.
After all the disrespect.
Now you want to lecture.
Boy you got a lot of nerve.
For you to accuse anyone. I say anyone, of picking a fight is hypocrisy at it's finest.
If you want to discuss or debate the subject that's fine.
If you just want to fight go somewhere else.
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After all you have said.
After all the disrespect.
Now you want to lecture.
Boy you got a lot of nerve.
For you to accuse anyone. I say anyone, of picking a fight is hypocrisy at it's finest.
If you want to discuss or debate the subject that's fine.
If you just want to fight go somewhere else.
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tnshootist
New member
You go somewhere else.
You are the one causing trouble.
Hijacking threads.Insulting people.
If you want to bash Religion start your own thread and have at it.
That seems to be your only interest in the church.
There seems to be little conversation like there used to be before you started to try and dominate everything.
Look how many members are gone now.
Used to be many threads about current events,government and so on.
People disagreed.That was discussion.
Now you try to monitor everything and jump in and take over anything that don't fit your agenda.
I say start your own Religion bashing thread and leave other folks alone.
You are not the only one with rights of opinion and speech.
You are the one causing trouble.
Hijacking threads.Insulting people.
If you want to bash Religion start your own thread and have at it.
That seems to be your only interest in the church.
There seems to be little conversation like there used to be before you started to try and dominate everything.
Look how many members are gone now.
Used to be many threads about current events,government and so on.
People disagreed.That was discussion.
Now you try to monitor everything and jump in and take over anything that don't fit your agenda.
I say start your own Religion bashing thread and leave other folks alone.
You are not the only one with rights of opinion and speech.
swampwalker
New member
Originally Posted By: tnshootistYou and Swampy are the first fellows I have seen who are experts on all beliefs worldwide.
Some poor souls spend their whole life studying just one.
I don't see how you have time to post here.
You must be much in demand to speak at liberal collages now days.
Your message of there is no God and everything is fine must be very popular.
I guess if you want to study something it would have to be other peoples beliefs. It would be hard to study nothing for very long.Not much to say about nothing.
I guess thats why you just talk about what other people believe.
When you say"I see no evidence" thats about it ain't it.
It's interesting that you see through your eye the world around you and "See no evidence"
What would it take to be evidence?
On the other hand you can see evidence that your ancestors were monkeys.
Of course the facts could change anytime.
What would it take to be evidence? This is what it would take.
ev·i·dence
ˈevədəns/Submit
noun
1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"
synonyms: proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, attestation
"they found evidence of his plotting"
Ancestors of monkeys? Not quite. Although humans (hominids, of which we're the last remaining) and monkeys are both primates, we both follow our own distinct evolutionary paths.
This, there is plenty of evidence to back
As far as studying many religions? Yeah, why not? Why would anyone limit themselves to studying any one faith, just because it happened to be the first one handed to them as a child? Poor souls indeed.
The message is not that "there is no God" rather, there is no reason at this time to believe that there is one, and a very particular one at that. There's difference
Some poor souls spend their whole life studying just one.
I don't see how you have time to post here.
You must be much in demand to speak at liberal collages now days.
Your message of there is no God and everything is fine must be very popular.
I guess if you want to study something it would have to be other peoples beliefs. It would be hard to study nothing for very long.Not much to say about nothing.
I guess thats why you just talk about what other people believe.
When you say"I see no evidence" thats about it ain't it.
It's interesting that you see through your eye the world around you and "See no evidence"
What would it take to be evidence?
On the other hand you can see evidence that your ancestors were monkeys.
Of course the facts could change anytime.
What would it take to be evidence? This is what it would take.
ev·i·dence
ˈevədəns/Submit
noun
1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"
synonyms: proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, attestation
"they found evidence of his plotting"
Ancestors of monkeys? Not quite. Although humans (hominids, of which we're the last remaining) and monkeys are both primates, we both follow our own distinct evolutionary paths.
This, there is plenty of evidence to back
As far as studying many religions? Yeah, why not? Why would anyone limit themselves to studying any one faith, just because it happened to be the first one handed to them as a child? Poor souls indeed.
The message is not that "there is no God" rather, there is no reason at this time to believe that there is one, and a very particular one at that. There's difference
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swampwalker
New member
Ok, what method then, without evidence are we using to establish the one of many faiths, that we Know is right?
How do you know your faith is right and so many others wrong, when your methodology of knowing is based off feeling as is theirs?
How do you know your faith is right and so many others wrong, when your methodology of knowing is based off feeling as is theirs?