North Korea

Pyongyang is a modern city, the city where Kim loves to parade his military down the street. Well over 2 million people who lack the skills to live off the land and all confined in a condensed area.

Pyongyang skyline


Even if they had the hunter gatherers skills of our ancestors, the land does not hold enough resources to replenish itself once grocery stores are depleted. A lot of trucks that are not built to MIL-STD would no longer be able to deliver food to stores. A lot of refrigerators not built to MIL-STD would no longer preserve food past a few days. Etc. etc. etc. not built to MIL-STD. A domino affect would ripple and their accustomed lifestyle would grind to a halt within days.

Their military, our military or anyone's military can be hardened, but I would say being completely invulnerable an unsafe assumption. It would be like saying we are bullet proof against solar flares.

The news keep talking about NK developing ICBMs armed with nuclear tips, however such missiles capable of reaching the edge of the atmosphere are the vehicle delivery systems needed to give EMPs the altitude necessary to distribute and amplify their pulse over large enough areas to induce cataclysms. Targeting poor farmers spread out in the countryside just does not have the effect needed to take up more than a paragraph in history books, unlike wiping out entire cities, cultural heritage sites or enough numbers of dead to be labeled an atrocity.

 


The cities are documented as being fake. Look at the photo posted. It's a large city, Where are the cars?
That many people, where are the cars? Why is everyone wearing the same things? Where are the bathrooms?

So someone got permission for a tour of the city with a Go PRo, on the car. The video was what was allowed, and if you watch it, where are the people? City that large, with that many buildings all tall, and very little foot traffic. Almost no cars and mostly only buses and vans. I have seen this kind of thing in places with dictators.

There are reports of rolling blackouts, and satelite photo's of complete darkness at night.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/21/pyongyang-north-korea-video_n_5367001.html

While an EMP might have some effects, it won't stop the military, it won't stop the missles, and it won't stop them, since they have shown over and over the Gov in NK, doesn't give a hoot about the people. They have camps with estimated hundreds of thousands that didn't toe the NK Dictators line. Fat boy doesn't care about the people.
 
Maybe so I googled that pic. I was searching for a downtown pic of one of Kim's parade. I took it as showing a large crowd gathered for his military to parade in the capital.



That huffington post you attached is pretty erie. Yep, he doesn't give a crap about his citizens, obviously he will kill his own family members. I agree that an EMP won't stop his missiles and there could be hundreds of thousands dead within a few hours. Also since I made that first post China is now saying they will back NK if we launch pre-emptive strikes first. I am starting to think our government is starting to realize that their nuclear program is farther along than we thought.

Yesterday I saw FOX news addressing the threat of them hitting us with an EMP. With what China just said, the stakes have been raised. If we hit them now, we have to be prepared to go to war with a China, that could easily drag Russia into he mix.
 
I don't know that his military is hardened against EMP. It may be that they're using technology so old that it wouldn't be vulnerable to it, but it's not like they have state of the art hardware for their army.
 
ha, yep, you guys are right.. Maybe they are so old they don't have to worry since nothing needs electronics.

China has been interesting. They have never said that if NK launches first, they are on their own.

I think China has has their hands in the cookie jar for a long time, and really don't want to upset the apple cart.

An EMP to our country, would reduce the population by half. IMO,
Most don't know how to feed themselves. Don't know where their food comes from, and have no idea how to purify water. Few have food stores, or a way to defend themselves.
I would hate for it to happen, but i am just thinking of how if it did, after things got back to normal, it would be interesting to see how much different things would be. I would imagine that all the liberal snowflake non-sense would be gone. Laws would change to prevent it from happening again for a long time. Socialists are like roaches they always come back, as long as there are those that are too lazy to work for what they want.
 
I don't know why this received very little news coverage;

Published August 11, 2017 Fox News

China’s government drew a line in the sand Friday, saying it would remain neutral if North Korea attacks the U.S. but would defend its Asian neighbor if the U.S. strikes first, Chinese state media reported.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/11/mor...orea-first.html

To me it seems like a big deal and deserves more media attention, but I don't know why it's not getting it. Maybe acknowledging it and then not launching strikes would be an admission of a fear of China.

Kim has also been missing for the last few days, many fear that tomorrow; 15 August 2017 will have a missile launch to coincide with their holiday marking their liberation from Japan after WW2. It's a trip when you see how old time foes can become allies and vice versa. Bombing Japan gave Koreans liberation and now could very well end up bombing NK with Japan as an ally.
 
I wonder if it's not really China behind all this stuff and Kim just doing what he is told.
Kim can't hope to gain anything but China might come off the hero by calling Kim down gaining a lot of favor on the world stage.
 
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZha, yep, you guys are right.. Maybe they are so old they don't have to worry since nothing needs electronics.

China has been interesting. They have never said that if NK launches first, they are on their own.

I think China has has their hands in the cookie jar for a long time, and really don't want to upset the apple cart.

An EMP to our country, would reduce the population by half. IMO,
Most don't know how to feed themselves. Don't know where their food comes from, and have no idea how to purify water. Few have food stores, or a way to defend themselves.
I would hate for it to happen, but i am just thinking of how if it did, after things got back to normal, it would be interesting to see how much different things would be. I would imagine that all the liberal snowflake non-sense would be gone. Laws would change to prevent it from happening again for a long time. Socialists are like roaches they always come back, as long as there are those that are too lazy to work for what they want.


In a case like this China or Russia I am sure would come to the rescue and send in peace keeping troops.
 
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZha, yep, you guys are right.. Maybe they are so old they don't have to worry since nothing needs electronics.

China has been interesting. They have never said that if NK launches first, they are on their own.

I think China has has their hands in the cookie jar for a long time, and really don't want to upset the apple cart.

An EMP to our country, would reduce the population by half. IMO,
Most don't know how to feed themselves. Don't know where their food comes from, and have no idea how to purify water. Few have food stores, or a way to defend themselves.
I would hate for it to happen, but i am just thinking of how if it did, after things got back to normal, it would be interesting to see how much different things would be. I would imagine that all the liberal snowflake non-sense would be gone. Laws would change to prevent it from happening again for a long time. Socialists are like roaches they always come back, as long as there are those that are too lazy to work for what they want.
I have thought about such things also. It would be messed up as there is a lot of good people who could not survive. Due to age health ect ect. But those who did make it would have a chance to rebuild in a positive way. But lets hope it dont happen as it would be devastating to this country! And would take a long time to fix!
 
How did this even start?!

War against China and Russia would most likely solidify the end of the United States. Russia has shown it's manpower twice, and has always come out okay. Like Hitler found out, you might kill 1 million Russians, but behind them is 2 million to take their place! Then a little country like Finland stopped Russian troops...either way, though, modern warfare with either country would be devastating. Most of our civilians are overweight and lazy. We don't have hardened boys to easily turn into men and send them to war.
 
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