Miami shooting: Man says cops shot him while he was lying down with hands up

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Miami shooting: Man says cops shot him while he was lying down with hands up
y Catherine E. Shoichet, Joshua Berlinger and Sheena Jones, CNN
Updated 1:23 PM ET, Thu July 21, 2016

The video shows a man lying in the street, holding his hands in the air.
"All he has is a toy truck," the man shouts. "I am a behavior therapist at a group home."

Charles Kinsey said the footage, released by his attorney, shows the moment Monday when he tried to convince North Miami police not to harm his patient, a 23-year-old with autism who was sitting on the ground beside him.
"I was more worried about him than myself," Kinsey told CNN affiliate WSVN-TV in Miami.
"As long as I've got my hands up, they're not gonna shoot me, that's what I'm thinking," Kinsey said. "Wow, was I wrong."
Now Kinsey is hospitalized with a gunshot wound.
North Miami police said an officer opened fire after attempting to negotiate. Kinsey and his attorney said that explanation doesn't add up. State authorities say they're investigating.

Police: Caller reported armed man
A 911 call about an armed man threatening suicide drew officers to the scene just after 5 p.m. Monday, North Miami police Chief Gary Eugene told reporters.
"Our officers responded to the scene with that threat in mind. We had witness statements that there was a gun. We had a 911 call with that same information," Eugene said Thursday. "However, I want to make it clear, there was no gun recovered."
Kinsey told WSVN that his patient was holding a toy truck, not a firearm. He said he tried to explain the situation to officers, then asked his patient to be still and lie down.
Cell phone video released by Kinsey's attorney shows part of that exchange.
"Please be still ... get down ... lay on your stomach," Kinsey says in the video.
The man beside him rocks back and forth.
Another video released by the attorney shows a different perspective of the scene. In that video, Kinsey is lying in the road, on his stomach and handcuffed.
So far, attorney Hilton Napoleon II said, video of the shooting itself hasn't surfaced.
State takes over investigation
Reports of the North Miami shooting drew swift reactions on social media, with posts criticizing the officer who opened fire.

Kinsey's shooting comes after a pair of officer-involved shootings led to the death of two men, Alton Sterling and Philando Castile, kicking off a period of national unrest and putting the spotlight again on police use of force, particularly against black men.
Eight law enforcement officers have since been killed in separate incidents in Dallas and Baton Rouge, Louisiana, targeted by gunmen who claimed they were reacting in part to incidents such as those that led to the deaths of Sterling and Castile.
Eugene declined to release details about the officer who opened fire. He referred questions to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, adding that he'd asked the agency to take over the investigation into the shooting.
"Bringing in an outside agency assures our commitment to transparency and objectivity in a very sensitive matter," he said.
Prosecutors said they'll decide whether the officer should be charged after the state agency completes its investigation.
"They will provide us with their factual findings and conclusions," Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle said. "At that time, we will conduct our own investigation and review all of the evidence to determine whether the actions of the shooting officer constitute a criminal act that can be proven beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt."
'Why did you shoot me?'
Kinsey was hit in his right leg after two or three shots were fired, according to his attorney.
Kinsey told WSVN he was flipped over and handcuffed after the shooting. According to Napoleon, Kinsey was on the ground for 20 minutes before an ambulance arrived.
Kinsey said he was stunned by the shooting, like when a mosquito bites unexpectedly.
"When he hit me, I'm like, I still got my hands in the air," he said.
"I'm like, 'Sir, why did you shoot me?' " Kinsey said he asked the officer.
"He said to me, 'I don't know.' "
North Miami police have said in a statement that officers had "attempted to negotiate with the two men on the scene."
At some point, one of the officers discharged his weapon, police said. That officer has been placed on administrative leave, as is the standard procedure.
"I realize there may be questions about what happened on Monday night. You have questions. The community has questions. ... I, personally, have questions. I assure you, we'll get all the answers," the police chief told reporters Thursday.
'This is not supposed to be happening in North Miami'
A U.S. congresswoman whose district includes North Miami told reporters she was shocked by the video that shows the scene before the shooting.
"This is like a nightmare to me," Democratic Rep. Frederica Wilson said.
"When you shoot a man lying on the ground with his hands up, explaining to you the situation, and you shoot him anyway? Something's not right with this picture," she said.
The shooting she said, isn't typical of the city, which she described as a "melting pot."
"This is not supposed to be happening in North Miami. North Miami is a city where the police officers and the community gel," she said. "So many of our police officers come from the community (and) live in the community."
'He did everything he could possibly do'
A hospital spokeswoman said Kinsey is in good condition. His attorney called off a press conference where Kinsey was scheduled to speak to reporters Thursday morning, saying his client was traumatized and speaking with a psychiatrist.
"The reality is that he believed ... that if you comply with the police and you lay on the ground with your hands up, and if you speak to them like my client was speaking to them, as Americans, we try to believe that that will not result in you getting shot," Napoleon said.
Now Kinsey, his attorney said, doesn't know what to tell his children.
"Physically, he will recover, but mentally, he felt like he did everything he could possibly do and that wasn't good enough," Napoleon said.
"You can't shoot unarmed people, period."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/us/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html
 
This one looks bad! Not sure what happened there, but it is definitely bad.

HOWEVER... When you have police being gunned down in the streets every day for no reason, some folks are going to get jumpy. And, when jumpy folks have guns pointed at someone, and they think they see a weapon, they're going to shoot first and ask questions later.
 
safety off, finger on trigger, twitchy as an epileptic having a fit. bad combo.

looks like the guy had some really crappy training.

one of the primary rules of gun safety is "thou shall keep thy booger hook off the [beeep] trigger until ready to shoot"

unless there's something seriously different that wasn't reported, it really looks like a bad shoot in the form of an unintentional discharge to me.
 
This could have been a whole lot worse if they had killed the autistic guy.
It sure looks like BLM may now have a legitimate reason to chant "hands up, don't shoot", it would appear that it was just handed to them.
 
I'm with Stu on this. Gun off safe finger on the trigger. At some point the subconscious said sight picture sight alignment bang. Bad deal, at least he didnt kill him. That money will help his mental anguish considerably.
 
that cop should be stripped of his badge and never be allowed to be in law enforcement again.

this story sickens me.

that is all assuming that it is as appears.
 
I mean... Our media has a great reputation *cough* and obama secretly calls for a "summer of rage". Then in completely unrelated news, cops start slaughtering black people on camera....... right.

 
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WOW, new story out, the cop was actually aiming at the autistic guy "with the toy truck gun", but missed and hit the caretaker.
This one could have really had a bad outcome.
 
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At least the autistic guy with the toy truck had something in his hands that could have been vaguely construed as a weapon.
 
If I was the cop, there is no way that I would admit that. Talk about some poor shootin. Not to mention, he was also sitting down and could have been approached at a high ready gun position for a closer look.
 
so, we either have an unintentional discharge in which a citizen was shot, with the officer having no intention of shooting him.

or

we have intentional shots fired, allegedly at someone else several feet away, in which the officer intentionally shot for the alleged purpose of protecting one guy from the intended person but came nowhere near to hitting the intended person & instead shot the person he was allegedly protecting.

pick one, I'm sure either will leave you filled with inspired confidence...
 
Originally Posted By: 6724that cop should be stripped of his badge and never be allowed to be in law enforcement again.

this story sickens me.

that is all assuming that it is as appears.

Yes it does...

The dialog needs to change from the "BLM" to all lives matter to where cases can be judged from a position of merit not white against black.

Any person thug or otherwise should be able to know that they can cooperate with police and they aren't going to be shot. The way things are right now we are seeing too many wrongful shootings.

The worst part of this is that good departments and police officers are going to be paying for the protective attitude going on with a few bad cops and departments. Large departments keep internal records and statistics, yet the top 100 guys on the list of 8000 cops that are responsible for the majority of brutality and excessive force incidents are protected in spite of having in excess of 10 and 20 cases, and often times the cities pay out hundreds of thousands of dollars in settlements (per bad cop). Instead of a large city having to budget hundreds of millions toward settlements how about the police unions have to pay for the cops they want to protect? Their tolerance level if they had to pay would be two strikes and you are out.
 
Originally Posted By: azmastablastaBurn baby burn.


What does burn baby burn mean azblasta?

cop burn or black dude burn?

kinda ridiculous either way.
 
Maybe if your liberal buddies quit supporting the police unions, the remainder of us wouldn't have to put up with that problem.






 
Originally Posted By: Rocky1Maybe if your liberal buddies quit supporting the police unions, the remainder of us wouldn't have to put up with that problem.


Hey, common ground, I am no fan of unions.

The exception is where corporations are too greedy and ignorant to make sure they are paying their employees a fair enough pay and benefit package to keep employees happy. In today's world good corporations have happy enough employees to where they see no need for a union.

Trump is an excellent example of what I'm saying. He has hotels and resorts under his control, some are union some are not. He spends hundreds of thousands of dollars in Vegas fighting off a union attempt. Don't you think that if he would escalate wages and benefits out to what will happen if union gets control union efforts would stall? The benefit of making sure non unions don't want a union is that union dues and the hourly hit on every hour worked is so high that a business owner doesn't have to pay as much to make take home higher than people will get after fees are taken out.

Not only that but unions have an insidious way of insuring that their workers get unnecessary overtime and ridiculous double and triple times for holidays. Trump's Vegas casino has employees that are not being paid what the rest of the union hotels get, he deserves to have a union jammed down his throat.

I would end the practice of police unions in a heartbeat.
 
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