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#2969695 - 06/13/16 09:39 PM A challenge for you defensive handgunners...
GC Offline
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Registered: 04/21/01
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Let's have some fun and hone and perhaps improve our skills... What I propose is that we have a little friendly online competition. Let's shoot a standard handgun drill, post our target pictures and results for comparison. The drill I'd like to start with is THE DOT TORTURE DRILL. This drill requires 50 rounds of ammunition and usually begins at 3 measured yards. This first time wouldn't have to be timed fire. Let's use our defensive pistols, not some specialized gamer gun. There is a version of DOT TORTURE for semi-auto and revolver. I'll post a link of the drill specifics and where you can print a target and a video of a guy shooting the drill and explaining the stages. It's just for fun, the drill will expose your handgun weaknesses. Which is good, it gives you a purpose and a goal when you go to the range. It will improve your skills. We could give ourselves a few weeks to shoot and post. If we like it, maybe try a twist on this drill or move to a different drill for fun.

Any interest?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mBujg4IRVp8

http://pistol-training.com/drills/dot-torture



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#2969704 - 06/13/16 10:09 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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That looks like a hoot thumbup
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#2969705 - 06/13/16 10:15 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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I might have to drag out one of my 45's. Other than the weak hand I think I can do it.

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#2969716 - 06/13/16 10:30 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
GC Offline
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Yeah, weak hand is my downfall. Which is why I need to shoot this, ya just never know, right? I'm going to try to shoot and post results by the end of the week.
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#2969729 - 06/13/16 11:42 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Registered: 01/20/15
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With my wacky schedule, I will try and shoot / post by Christmas.

Thanks for putting this out there, I am sure that we can all use a little trigger time.

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#2969773 - 06/14/16 09:17 AM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: Huckleberry75]
coleridge Offline
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Registered: 03/07/05
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Loc: Central NC
I'm game. Post pics in this thread? We can print on 24x36 for bigger targets, right w00t


Seriously, is it supposed to be 11x17 (appears to be in video) or 8.5x11? Changes size substantially.
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#2969777 - 06/14/16 09:48 AM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: coleridge]
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Registered: 12/30/04
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I am game, and I need it. I just saw the results from my last GSSF Match! Not having time to practice sure showed up there. frown

I am with Coleridge...I need a bigger target, too. rolleyes

I will see if I can get on the range and run the drill a few times. I will probably cheat a little. I EDC a G27, but I have a G23 as my "truck gun". I will see which one gives me a prayer of completing the drill, in the practice rounds, and go with that pistol. grin

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#2969798 - 06/14/16 11:04 AM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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I plan on just printing on a regular piece of 8.5"X11" paper. That makes the dots 2". Remember we start at 3 yards/9 feet and with no time restrictions. Let's give it an honest go and see how we do.

We can post results right here and keep this thread fresh. Maybe a Mod could make it a sticky thread and keep it up top. I'd like to do this as a monthly thing changing either the drill or some component of the drill for a fresh challenge each month. I think we could have a lot of fun with it.

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#2969808 - 06/14/16 11:24 AM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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What a great drill! I'll have to give it a go when I can find the pistol range empty so no one will know just how out of pratice I am. Regards
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#2969813 - 06/14/16 11:31 AM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
coleridge Offline
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Yeah, I was thinking any printer can do 8.5x11 but not everyone has ability to print 11x17 (although I'm pretty sure that's what guy in vidio was shooting). Likely more entries if we go standard...

It does make a different though. About 2" circle on 8.5x11 & about 2.6" on 11x17. Doesn't sound like that much of a difference, but in terms of area; your looking at about a 70% bigger target on a 11x17. So guys don't feel bad when you don't do as good as guy on video (but most will have an advantage on their week hand from him if you noticed...).
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#2969819 - 06/14/16 11:53 AM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Ok, let's use a standard sheet of 8.5" x 11" paper.

A question before anyone gets out to shoot... Do we shoot from the holster or from low ready? Obviously if it's a carry gun shooting from the holster gives you good practice. But if it's a nightstand gun...? Further, to make the drill easier for anyone to get involved with not everyone will always have a holster for a particular gun at a particular time. To keep things on the level shooting from low ready might be best as the standard we all keep.

Now having said that, since there is no time limit if a guy wants to use his carry holster then I think by all means do so. Really shouldn't make a difference since we aren't timing anything. I just don't want to exclude anyone because they don't have a holster right at this time. Thoughts?
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#2969868 - 06/14/16 03:06 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Low Ready sounds good to me, but I have Blackhawk CQCs for all of my pistols, so holstered works too. So what is the exact courses of fire?

3 yards, 50 rounds, described in the drill, not timed, then what? Again at 3 yards timed? And third course of fire at 5 yards? Or just one course of fire, at 3 yards, not timed?

Need clarification. I might have to consider a different pistol, if the round count climbs, as the G27 and the G23,
are not kind to my hands, after a 100 rounds or so. I am getting soft. grin

Squeeze
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#2969870 - 06/14/16 03:12 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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I'm down for it if I can find a printer. I'd like to try it with my Kimber Micro that I just got a couple months ago, but all I have for it is a pocket sleeve holster. I've got a couple other handguns I can run it with also.
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#2969897 - 06/14/16 04:55 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: Squeeze]
coleridge Offline
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Registered: 03/07/05
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Originally Posted By: Squeeze
Low Ready sounds good to me, but I have Blackhawk CQCs for all of my pistols, so holstered works too. So what is the exact courses of fire?

3 yards, 50 rounds, described in the drill, not timed, then what? Again at 3 yards timed? And third course of fire at 5 yards? Or just one course of fire, at 3 yards, not timed?

Need clarification. I might have to consider a different pistol, if the round count climbs, as the G27 and the G23,
are not kind to my hands, after a 100 rounds or so. I am getting soft. grin

Squeeze


I think GC intends one "drill" at 3 yards. The instructions call for 50 shots at the one piece of paper (10 dots). That would be end of it. Enter other or same pistol as many times as you want.
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#2969906 - 06/14/16 05:34 PM Re: A challenge for you defensive handgunners... [Re: GC]
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Registered: 12/10/11
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Loc: Northern IN
I will try it. The instructions are under the dots when you print it off. Dots are exactly 2" on 8x11

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