decoy my caller

wife1.0

wife1.0

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Hey so I live in a state where I cannot have a moving parts decoy/wind/human interaction. So I have a crazy idea of covering my foxpro caller with a fur coat (around the top to the bottom leaving the speakers usable. According to Foxpro the new Firestorm I have the antenna runs through the handle so I can wrap it leaving the handle exposed. This is just more of a coaxing thing to get the yotes out of the treeline.

Does this sound like a dumb idea? What do you think?
 
I don't think it will make a lot of difference to your success. The coyote is going to respond to the sound and if you are set up right, you will see him before he sees your fur covered ecaller. If I am following your comments about a legal decoy, you can use a decoy with no moving parts, so just use a non moving decoy with it placed close to your ecaller.
 
I cannot have a moving parts decoy/wind/human interaction..
This has to be the most bone headed piece of legislation I've ever heard of. What do they do to you if you've got a feather in your cap?
 
yeah I know I can have an animal sitting there staked in the ground but it cannot be moving. It's more of an eye catcher of something to look at when the caller is going. This weekend I went out with my husband and I called a coyote in but he stopped because he heard the noise but saw nothing.
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annoying. Anyway yeah I want to shoot him before he gets close but I know they can see good and I want to coax him in some more. I'm thinking of buying an electric rabbit decoy but not using the batteries. It's tall, looks good and he'll come runn'n when he sees something with the noise.
 
Originally Posted By: wife1.0I called a coyote in but he stopped because he heard the noise but saw nothing.

nope. it stopped because it had been called before and did not get killed or it did see or smelled something it didn't like.

i call and kill a fair amount of coyotes every year. no decoy used. i know many others that dont use a decoy and kill lots of coyotes. there is a ton of possible reasons you are not killing coyotes but not using a decoy is hardly worth talking about.
 
He never saw us/smelled us, trust me he just looked near the caller just casually turned and walked away, not a trot, or a run but a walk. I saw his head and his butt but there was a tree in the center part of him. I never got a clear shot 173 yards away.
 
Set your caller on a tripod a bit off of the ground. Tie a feather to the antenna that makes the caller easier to locate. "wink" But BTW can you site the law that makes hunting a non game animal with a decoy illegal? I have never heard of this before?
 
Originally Posted By: wife1.0 This weekend I went out with my husband and I called a coyote in but he stopped because he heard the noise but saw nothing..



Sorry to break it to you but the coyote didn't stop and turn around because he heard a noise but didn't see anything.
 
Originally Posted By: wife1.0 trust me he just looked near the caller just casually turned and walked away,

trust me. it was not because it did not see a decoy.
 
I agree that not seeing a decoy is not very likely what caused him to hang up, and seeing one might not would have sealed the deal, but it might have helped. Still a stupid law.
 
The coyote control specialists on YouTube are from eastern Oregon they use a MoJo critter in all there videos
Check the regulations closely or talk to the fish and game directly
I have to agree with the guys a lack of a decoy my of helped but most likely was not what cased the hang up
Good hunting
Foggy
 
It is very tempting to draw conclusions when first starting to hunt coyotes. After many many successful, as well as unsuccessful stands, if you are truly observant and truly objective, you will become far less so eager to "be all knowing" of what happened. For instance, you said the dog turned and just walked away. I am convinced that animals ABSOLUTELY know when they are being hunted. I would think your dog HAS had previous hunting pressure. To me, it acted as though it had "experienced" something with your stand that just didn't seem quite right, that made it turn and leave. It obviously wasn't feeling an immediate threat, or it would not have just wandered off! There are so very many factors that your dog could of experienced before, that it just got a "bad feeling" about your setup......you'll never know for sure, but to me, that is one of the greatest challenges! I'm just glad they don't have guns to shoot back at me!
 
I believe you are not allowed to have any kind of decoy when you big game hunt in the state of Oregon. Coyotes are not considered big game. I hunt with a decoy in Oregon.

Casey
 
Originally Posted By: mt edIt is very tempting to draw conclusions when first starting to hunt coyotes. After many many successful, as well as unsuccessful stands, if you are truly observant and truly objective, you will become far less so eager to "be all knowing" of what happened. For instance, you said the dog turned and just walked away. I am convinced that animals ABSOLUTELY know when they are being hunted. I would think your dog HAS had previous hunting pressure. To me, it acted as though it had "experienced" something with your stand that just didn't seem quite right, that made it turn and leave. It obviously wasn't feeling an immediate threat, or it would not have just wandered off! There are so very many factors that your dog could of experienced before, that it just got a "bad feeling" about your setup......you'll never know for sure, but to me, that is one of the greatest challenges! I'm just glad they don't have guns to shoot back at me!



Very well said, you should post more!
 
I hunt in SE Missouri where I am originally from and we hunt very open fields. We have called a lot of coyotes with just the caller sitting in the middle of a cut bean field and had coyotes come from a long ways away with no decoy and it didn't bother them. That being said, we never hunt now without a decoy. It helps keep their attention locked in a bit better and gives us a little more freedom to move. Even with a decoy we have had coyotes step out of the tree line, assess the decoy and caller, seemingly have a flashback of being in this situation before and they just turn around and step back in cover....Prolly ones that I have missed in the past using the same call/decoy lol. To me it seems that call sounds and setups are like loud exhaust on a truck...when i was in high school and worked on the farm, everyday on my way to work I would take the field roads behind the shop to try to catch a coyote out hunting and they typically wouldn't run because they were used to tractors, trucks, etc. being that close to the farm...until they learned the sound of my exhaust and put 2 and 2 together that that sound meant they were prolly going to get shot (at) and I would barely catch a glimpse of them jumping into the fence row. They seem to do the same thing when they have heard a certain sound on your caller and had been educated on it in the past possibly by someone else. But back to the decoy issue...If you can't have a moving decoy, the guy on Carnivore TV likes to use a mounted jackrabbit as the decoy and seems to have decent success with it (or at least they portray it that way on TV). Might be able to try some type of stuffed animal if you really want a decoy, but I think you can easily get by without it. Good luck!

Shelton
 
Bought a stuffed animal rabbit to set out near the caller. Maybe it'll help maybe it won't we'll see. It's pretty real looking, and stationary. This is the actual regs for 2015 Oregon under "Decoys":

635-065-0733
Decoys
Except for purposes of law enforcement or wildlife management, the use of decoys with moving
parts is prohibited. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, decoys with parts that are
powered by a motor, battery, human action (for example, cable or pull-string) or the wind. Flexible
or adjustable parts that permit placement or adjustment of a decoy but do not otherwise move do not
constitute "moving parts" for the purpose of this rule. This rule is intended to ban decoys that attract
game mammals via movement.
 
Don't know much about Oregon, but predators aren't game animals in Texas, so that last sentence would set you free here.
 
I don't remember the guys name, but the show that is sponsored by Burnham brothers, he uses a taxidery jack rabbit. Seemed to work well for him.
 
Originally Posted By: wife1.0Bought a stuffed animal rabbit to set out near the caller. Maybe it'll help maybe it won't we'll see. It's pretty real looking, and stationary. This is the actual regs for 2015 Oregon under "Decoys":

635-065-0733
Decoys
Except for purposes of law enforcement or wildlife management, the use of decoys with moving
parts is prohibited. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, decoys with parts that are
powered by a motor, battery, human action (for example, cable or pull-string) or the wind. Flexible
or adjustable parts that permit placement or adjustment of a decoy but do not otherwise move do not
constitute "moving parts" for the purpose of this rule. This rule is intended to ban decoys that attract
game mammals via movement.

Oregonian checking in to help you out. Coyotes are classified by the ODFW as "predatory animals" and do not fall into the "game animal" classification.

From the 2015 regulations
"Game Mammals are pronghorn antelope, bighorn sheep, black bear,cougar, deer, elk, moose, Rocky Mt goat and western gray squirrel" (ODFW 71).

“Predatory Animals means coyotes,rabbits, rodents and feral swine which are or may be destructive to agricultural crops" (ODFW 72).


I've worn out my THIRD topper on my MOJO decoy, so I've been hunting without one until my new topper gets in on Monday. Here are some coyotes my hunting partners and I have killed in the last few trips without a decoy (and with hand calls only, so one or both of us are moving on stand). There are a few others, but we mostly hunt with our deer rifles in the spring and summer, so I can't share those messy pics.
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My buddy hit this one with a 7mm-08 with 139g GMX bullets (my spike elk load) at 40 yards and the coyote got back up, so he soaked him again. First shot forward, last shot back. The first bullet dang near penciled through. The second shot...well, if coyotes were trout, this one was half-way gutted.
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The .243 with 58g ballistic tips did a number on this little guy right at 50 paces. Notice the tufts of fur behind him from the pass through of the bullet fragments. He died with his lower jaw inside the bullet wound, where he was biting at the entrance hole.

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A little female from this morning. The rancher sent me a text saying he saw two coyotes out with his cows yesterday afternoon, but I couldn't get out until this morning. Distance was 100 yards and some change.

All the other pics are way too "graphic," but you get the idea. There are a lot of variables and possibilities as to why the coyote turned tail and left. The coyote could've disappeared trying to get a better scent cone. The coyote could've smelled you in a swirling wind (it doesn't take much). The coyote could've seen you moving, or saw something shiny on your clothing/gear. The coyote could've been hunted once or twice before. You may have not been telling the right "story" with your calls. The coyote may have crossed your tracks (or someone's recent tracks). The coyote could've seen your rig ...Or maybe it was the lack of a motion decoy. Who knows, but don't think you MUST HAVE A DECOY to kill coyotes.

There are plenty of videos of coyotes attacking decoys, but out of all of the coyotes that have come in when my MOJO was running, only one came in dead-set on attacking the decoy.

 
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