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#2812884 - 03/15/15 10:59 AM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
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Originally Posted By: randall729
Is it feasible for 30 "lions" from S.D. end up in U.P. Michigan last few years and all 30 are confirmed males.? No confirmed females so therefore no "lions" are breeding in Michigan at this time.? Sightings are not considered for the count. Michigan DNR says so. I seem to think otherwise as many here do. Would like comments from PM members . Thank you.


There have been 30 Mountain Lions killed in Michigan the last few years?
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#2812901 - 03/15/15 11:30 AM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: Coyotejunki]
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Originally Posted By: Coyotejunki
Game and Fish, DNR or what ever they are called are gov't agencies, run by bureaucrats. So there is going to be secrecy from the taxpaying citizens. There are things you don't NEED TO KNOW. Then there is the flat out lying too. Just remember, they know what is best for us, so obey and STFU, move along now. <sarcasm>



Exactly, they tend to do things and expect people to ignore them, or forget, or B_S_ their way through it years later. All of this deal with the Mountain Lions in ND came as no surprise to me, back in the late 80s when I worked at the local garage, we had a guy from a neighboring town came in one day rattling about Game and Fish having stopped through in his home town to fill up with gas a few days before, and they had two mountain lions in the trailer. Said, they told him they were taking them up north to turn them loose in an area where they were encountering problems with the deer population.

At the time it sounded crazy, no Game and Fish Department would release predators to take out a deer population when they could sell more licenses, it would be cutting their own throats. However, several years later when the lions started showing up all over the state, those old rumors of them having stopped for gas with lions on board, were disspelled as simply that, old rumors. There wasn't but a few folks saw them, those folks were crazy, Game and Fish never did anything of that nature. The lions that were showing up all over, were young males that all migrated SEVERAL HUNDRED miles. Then suddenly those male lions were giving birth... it is all a matter of how much B_S_ you elect to accept as gospel. It's a liberal thing, kinda like Obama and everything he does, that he never said that.
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#2813134 - 03/15/15 09:30 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: GC]
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Have to clarify. A couple have been killed illegally. Big fines, etc. for those guilty. Someone told me that I was wrong about my 30 "lions" in the U.P. What this someone ( Michigan Sportsman forum) says it is 30 "lion" CONFIRMED MDNR SIGHTINGS with required EVIDENCE and could be only a few actual "lion" in the U.P. Meaning: one lion could have been in many of the sighting reports. In Michigan, we have 4 cougar biologists in the entire state. One of these 4 have to justify a reason for a sighting and collect evidence, a photo or seeing a cougar isn't good enough to say this is a cougar in michigan. Have you ever seen a bobcat that weighs 100 pounds, is tan no spots, has a 3 foot long tail with a black tip? Me neither, but there wasn't evidence other than the report from a lady in benzie county, lower mich. So the lady was told she probably saw a bobcat not a cougar.
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#2813163 - 03/15/15 10:20 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: Plant.One]
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The trail camera footage was of a cougar feeding on a carcass in mackinac county up, mi. this footage is certified to be authentic of a cougar at this location by dnr biologists. keep in mind, in mich. no female mountain lions, only male mountain lions so therefore no mountain lion breeding to increase the population in michigan so the people have nothing to worry about if they are worried about this.
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#2813167 - 03/15/15 10:25 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
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Modern wildlife management should be non-political and science based. In this instance that requires proof in the form of hard evidence not rumor, gossip and folk tales.


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#2813565 - 03/16/15 10:13 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
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Yep same line we saw in ND... Fence cut, lions would never attack a horse. Ran into junk in the pasture, lion would never attack a horse. Tree branches, lion would never attack a horse. It went on and on, and in every case the farmer/rancher reported the same cuts multiple lacerations originating high on the rear end, raking down and back. In every case reported.

I don't know; I kept several head of horses, for several years, and I doctored a lot of cut up horses before figuring out dumb horses aren't worth keeping. Hung out with a bunch of other horse people, as horse people do, and saw a bunch more cut up horses. And, I don't recall ever seeing 5 - 6 different horses, in different pastures, cut by different things, all cut in the same fashion. But those 5 - 6 horses in that one small area, where that mountain lion didn't exist, were.


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Modern wildlife management should be non-political and science based. In this instance that requires proof in the form of hard evidence not rumor, gossip and folk tales.


Hard evidence, is often easily overlooked, by well educated people, backing a cause.

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#2813603 - 03/16/15 11:35 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
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Talking about horses . Go on the computer and look up Lapeer County horse killing in Michigan. Dnr says it was feral dogs pack not the coyotes swarming around this lady's farm. Happened not long ago. I just don't get it.
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#2813667 - 03/17/15 07:42 AM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
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Rocky I never thought you were the conspiracy theory type...
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#2814028 - 03/18/15 01:21 AM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
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Too much evidence in that case GC. I hunted the area where the horses first started getting cut up, brother-in-law's nephew farmed down there. The family had farmed the land down there for 10 - 15 years before Rob acquired it. Knew several people in the area, and NO ONE would agree with the wire cut stories. When it started happening 15 miles away, across the river, farmer flat out told the press, it wasn't wire cut. Wasn't long after there were sightings in that area. Then after denying it a half dozen times, Game and Fish finally admitted there probably was a young male roaming in the area. 5 years later we had a limited season on them statewide.

Not much room for conspiracy theory there!! Evidence all points to cover up. Most Game and Fish Departments aren't going to admit to the introduction of Apex Predators in livestock country.

US Fish and Wildlife with liberal bunny huggers at the helm did, because liberals and bunny huggers just ain't real smart! And, they accomplished their mission, rubbed all our noses in it, then moved on to administering their bunny hugger organizations.

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#2814723 - 03/19/15 11:59 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
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Michigan DNR is putting tracking collars on feral pigs now according to Michigan Sportsman forum members. this is really not called for. shoot these pigs now before taking over the counties. why track them? Unless the MDNR is going to plan hunting seasons and charge license fees for feral pigs?The state is out of money so this might help increase the treasury.
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#2814728 - 03/20/15 12:12 AM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
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Pigs typically aren't regarded as wildlife according to most Game and Fish Departments, they are feral livestock. Because most Game and Fish Departments don't want to assume any implied liability for crop damages as a result of calling them wildlife.
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#2814956 - 03/20/15 08:42 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
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"Judas Pig"...
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#2814958 - 03/20/15 08:48 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
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And the reason many wildlife agencies don't consider wild/feral hogs "game animals" is because they want them eradicated as invasive non-native pest animals. If they are considered game animals there might be hunting seasons and perhaps limit restrictions regulating the harvest. Call them invasive non-native pest and you can shoot them on sight whenever without worry.
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#2815047 - 03/21/15 12:37 AM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
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They certainly are a nuisance, destroy crops, hard on wildlife as well. Tear up a turkey nest in a heartbeat. Root up a lot of herbs and forbes other critters feed on, eat up a lot of feed period other game animals might eat if it were available.

Can't be good for much of anything, when's the last time you saw bunny huggers fussing about saving a pig??? They fuss over a coyote, but not a pig. They fuss over a chicken, but not a pig. They fuss over simming with manatees, but not killing a wild pig.

So you got to know to they're not much good for anything.
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#2815108 - 03/21/15 10:18 AM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: Rocky1]
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They are good for target practice sausage bacon...

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