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#2808240 - 03/04/15 04:59 PM LION Question from a PM Michigan member
randall729 Offline
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Registered: 02/05/15
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Loc: upper peninsula sault ste mari...
Is it feasible for 30 "lions" from S.D. end up in U.P. Michigan last few years and all 30 are confirmed males.? No confirmed females so therefore no "lions" are breeding in Michigan at this time.? Sightings are not considered for the count. Michigan DNR says so. I seem to think otherwise as many here do. Would like comments from PM members . Thank you.
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#2808264 - 03/04/15 06:01 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
SlickerThanSnot Offline
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i think if there is 30 males there is going to be some females. but i am not buying into 30 males in mi either.
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#2808310 - 03/04/15 08:25 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
randall729 Offline
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Loc: upper peninsula sault ste mari...
Wondering whats so special about MI. for "lions" anyway? why wouldnt these 30 stop and make a home in lets say N.D., MN ., WI. or whatever state passing through? And why would 30 male lions leave their state and their "girlfriends" and not be chasing after another "girlfriend"? (lion comments please). Also this dnr REFUSES to listen to anyone reporting cougar sightings both in the upper or lower MI. Why not? What is the problem with listening to a concerned citizen or is this normal in all states?
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#2808438 - 03/05/15 07:53 AM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
Rocky1 Offline
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Hard for them to stop when they're in that cage in the back of the Michigan DNR trucks. Some people buy into that migrated that far line of B_S_, but... There is no way, you will ever convince me that they aren't planting them. There is tooooooooooooooooo much evidence to the contrary.
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#2808534 - 03/05/15 11:58 AM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
DoubleCK Offline
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Very interesting. Keep us posted.
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#2809311 - 03/06/15 07:36 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: DoubleCK]
huntinaz Offline
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Registered: 12/11/08
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Loc: Flagstaff AZ
I'm not a lion expert, however, I believe male lions are going to roam and roam until their circuit intersects with female(s). That's why male home ranges are typically larger than females and when there are no females, the circuit gets *very* large.
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#2809768 - 03/07/15 06:01 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
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Loc: Oakland County, MI
wasnt there confirmed trail camera footage in the northern lower just last summer/fall in the manistee national forest?
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#2809873 - 03/07/15 10:09 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: huntinaz]
randall729 Offline
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Registered: 02/05/15
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Loc: upper peninsula sault ste mari...
Why didn't they stay where the females are? Since no females in mi. then I guess they'll roam right out of here?
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#2809877 - 03/07/15 10:13 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: Plant.One]
randall729 Offline
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Loc: upper peninsula sault ste mari...
Not aware of this. I believe 2 confirmed photos in the u.p.
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#2810017 - 03/08/15 11:23 AM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
Rocky1 Offline
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Originally Posted By: randall729
Why didn't they stay where the females are? Since no females in mi. then I guess they'll roam right out of here?



Don't count on it, after all those wandering males out of South Dakota were finally admitted to exist in North Dakota, (it took awhile before they admitted they were there, at least half a dozen cut up horses, several sightings, all with feeble attempts at denial by Game and Fish), wasn't but 8-10 years we had a viable breeding population, and they opened a limited season.

Of course somewhere on the board here is a story about one that got run over in New York state, as best I recall. DNA evidence supposedly proved he had migrated from South Dakota too, and in the course of his 1500+ mile journey, he'd left a hair sample on a fence in Wisconsin or Michigan or someplace with big sign that said, "DNA Sample for evidence, on my way to the Big Apple!" I mean seriously, some guys believed that line of B_S_, but what are the odds of a cat from the Black Hills of South Dakota roaming clear to New York state, and in passing through Wisconsin he just happened to leave a hair sample on a fence, and of all of the thousands of miles of fence in Wisconsin, a wildlife biologist with interest in big cats just happened to find that twist in the wire on that one little chunk of fence with the hair sample and say, "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... That looks like mountain lion hair!! We should take that back to the lab, waste the tax payers money, and run a DNA sample on it to make sure, and see where it might have come from!"

[beeep], everybody knows ALL wandering mountain lions come from South Dakota, why bother testing it? Honest injun, it don't matter where you're at, if you live in a state where there are no mountain lions, and one shows up, you can bet your [beeep] it came from South Dakota! You could be in the middle of Siberia, lost in the Australian outback, in the penguin breeding grounds of the Antartic, wherever... if you see a mountain lion, it came from South Dakota! Not sure why there are so many dissatisfied Mountain Lions in South Dakota, but they sure seem to hate the place! Been migrating out of there for 20+ years now, can't believe there is any left there! And, I don't buy they've been over-populated that long down there, and there's still anything left for them to eat. As many as have supposedly migrated out over the years, you'd think there wouldn't be a deer, or an Elk, or anything else left alive anywhere in the state.




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#2810771 - 03/09/15 10:28 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: Rocky1]
randall729 Offline
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Registered: 02/05/15
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Loc: upper peninsula sault ste mari...
I am wondering why S.D or N.D buffs don't mosey on across MN., WI. then hang around MI. for a bit? The lions are. the saying is "grass is always greener on the other side". if hair was found and dna'd from a barb wire then it could have been reported by one(s) of the mi. saskquatch association to the dnr rather than a biologist stumbling upon it.
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#2810831 - 03/10/15 02:54 AM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: randall729]
Rocky1 Offline
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Oh them old buffs mosey around out there occasionally. Usually get shot because there isn't much you can do to stop them when they decide to roam. They'll hop a 40 - 45 inch fence like it's nothing. Awe inspiring, let me tell you! To see an animal of that size walk up to fence, stand there for a second, and just jump over a Bureau of Reclamation fence is an eye opener. Believe me!!

Unfortunately, they constitute a serious traffic hazard, so law enforcement usually takes them out before they get to the 4 lane highways. And, farmers tend to get grumpy about them destroying crops as well.
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#2812437 - 03/14/15 01:05 AM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: Plant.One]
randall729 Offline
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Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 67
Loc: upper peninsula sault ste mari...
manistee national forest is where i hunt for mushrooms. yikes. guess i better have a cpl this year
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#2812602 - 03/14/15 05:12 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: Rocky1]
shawn@mo Offline
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Registered: 11/25/14
Posts: 468
Loc: missouri,salem
Amen I 2nd that feel the same here in missouri, even though a few on here will disagree!!!

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#2812611 - 03/14/15 05:50 PM Re: LION Question from a PM Michigan member [Re: shawn@mo]
Coyotejunki Offline
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Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: MO
Game and Fish, DNR or what ever they are called are gov't agencies, run by bureaucrats. So there is going to be secrecy from the taxpaying citizens. There are things you don't NEED TO KNOW. Then there is the flat out lying too. Just remember, they know what is best for us, so obey and STFU, move along now. <sarcasm>
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