Coyote Coexistence Plan or "Swing for the Fence"

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Quote:Los Angeles Times

Louis Sahagun6 hrs ago


LOS ANGELES — Fueled by the war on coyotes in much of the United States, debate is growing over the most humane method of executing the wily predators — as is a vigorous public push to accommodate them instead.

In Seal Beach, Calif., where there have been at least 60 attacks on pets over the last year, officials recently hired a company to trap coyotes and asphyxiate them in a mobile gas chamber filled with carbon dioxide.

The city was particularly concerned about safety in the local retirement community of Leisure World, where coyotes have ambushed dogs during the day.

In September, for example, Jovanka Radivojevic, 78, spotted a coyote staring through her living room window. When she stepped outside, she said, the predator grabbed her Shih-poo, Sugar, by the head and ran off — with the retired doctor and neighbors giving chase. Eventually the coyote dropped a slightly injured Sugar and walked away.

Critter Busters pest control has captured four coyotes in Seal Beach since September and asphyxiated them. It is a cheaper method than lethal injection, which must be administered by a licensed veterinarian.

"When Critter Busters told us that it used gas to dispatch coyotes, I assumed it meant the animals were put to sleep. So I voted to approve the contract," said Mike Levitt, a city councilman and Leisure World resident. "I found out (afterward) that the animal does not go to sleep. There are spasms. They choke."

Tens of thousands of coyotes are killed each year across the country using a variety of methods.

Livestock protection collars, which are strapped to the necks of sheep or goats, ooze deadly sodium fluoroacetate when punctured by a coyote. Also popular are M-44 "coyote getters" — devices that lure the animals close with bait, then fire sodium cyanide into their throats.

Exposure to those poisons results in cardiac arrest after as little as three minutes or as long as 10 hours, marked by severe convulsions.

To ranchers and others who see the damage coyotes inflict on livestock, concern over humane killing methods is as misguided as it would be over the killing of rats, roaches and other pests.
Eradication methods are not intentionally inhumane, they say. Rather, they are designed to be cost-efficient and effective.

"The animal advocacy groups have done a really good job of blurring the lines and making this issue unsavory and all about morality," said Steven Childs, a California hunting activist who lives in Monrovia. "It isn't about morality," he said. "It's about personal freedom" to shoot coyotes, which are classified as non-game animals with no bag limit.

But conservationists are challenging what they describe as the cruel killing of the intelligent, socially organized and highly adaptive scavengers. Exterminating coyotes also disrupts ecologies and isn't effective, they say.

Conservation expert Robert Crabtree, a University of Montana science professor, said: "Coyotes define the word 'opportunist.' We kill them ... and they rebound just fine to normal numbers. We can't beat them."

"It's time we start questioning the policies and laws at state and federal levels that allow the wholesale killing of predators for fun — so-called sport and eradication programs that don't work," said Camilla Fox, founder of the nonprofit conservation organization Project Coyote. "They reflect an almost sociopathic tendency that enjoys gratuitous killing and watching animals suffer in pain," Fox said.

Lawsuits filed in the last year have taken aim at "coyote shooting derbies" in California, New Mexico, Virginia, Idaho, Oregon and Pennsylvania, where hunters win cash prizes for killing the most animals. Amid the outrage, the California Fish and Game Commission voted earlier this month to ban such incentives.

A coalition of animal rights and conservation organizations also filed a lawsuit against Mendocino County in November, accusing it of failing to conduct an environmental impact report before approving a $142,356 contract for predator control by the federal Wildlife Services agency.

The agency kills more than 75,000 coyotes a year in the United States with steel-jawed traps, wire snares and poisons that "are cruel and pose a danger to both people and their pets," the suit said.

In Seal Beach, the backlash against asphyxiation was so strong that the city reversed course. It did not renew its contract with Critter Busters and abandoned extermination as a solution. Officials now are trying to find a way to live alongside the coyotes.

Seal Beach is drafting a regional coyote management plan in cooperation with the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and nearby cities including Cypress, Los Alamitos, Garden Grove and Long Beach. The goal is co-existence, enforcement of laws prohibiting the feeding of wildlife and development of a system for determining the proper response to encounters with coyotes.

The responses range from hazing to elimination of a coyote involved in documented attacks on humans, officials said.

The city of Calabasas adopted a coexistence plan in 2012 with assistance from Project Coyote that recommends the use of "hazing" techniques — shouting, loud whistles and bright lights that scare coyotes away from neighborhood streets.
But hazing, some say, has limits.

Its effectiveness, said Robert M. Timm, a former UC wildlife specialist who collaborated on a study that documented 128 coyote attacks on humans between 1977 and 2013, "depends on the naivete of the coyote." (A 1981 attack on a 3-year-old Glendale girl is the only documented case in the country of a coyote killing a person.)

Seal Beach's plan for managing coyotes reserves the right to trap and kill problem animals. And some residents say that if threatened, they will take matters into their own hands.
Linda Peters, 68, recently took her white miniature poodle for a walk, holding the leash in one hand and an aluminum baseball bat in the other.

"If a coyote comes near me," Peters said, "I'm swinging for the fences."



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Quote: They reflect an almost sociopathic tendency that enjoys gratuitous killing

Hummmm... Admittedly I feel good when I shoot a coyote....
 
I wonder what the animal advocacy groups would say about the 223 as a tool to dispatch coyotes. Most of the time, they don't know what hit them, but every now and then, they take a little while to die. I don't call it cruel myself, I either just watch them flop around, or shoot them again.
 
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762Quote: They reflect an almost sociopathic tendency that enjoys gratuitous killing

Hummmm... Admittedly I feel good when I shoot a coyote....

LOL!! I hear you Infy! I got double yesterday, so I am ecstatic, however I am kinda bummed out...........should have been a triple!!
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I wonder if those 'conservationists' would be so sue happy if they were made to pay for their humane ways of taking care of the urban coyote problem?
 
No Jump,just like most libreal causes and vote buying schemes,you and I get to pay for it...same here they wont let you shoot them,they will have you pay for the manner in witch they think they should die..

P.S. I would think that the poison that they want to use,will cause undo suffering,no?
 
Originally Posted By: BAYSTATE YOTENo Jump,just like most libreal causes and vote buying schemes,you and I get to pay for it...same here they wont let you shoot them,they will have you pay for the manner in witch they think they should die..

P.S. I would think that the poison that they want to use,will cause undo suffering,no?

I don't know what kind of poison they'd want to use but strychnine is pretty quick but I believe it's far from painless.
 
And they call us sick!! Honestly, I cant sleep if I wound a coyote and can not find it to put it down..
Really the most humane one is the women with the bat!
 
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Quote: (A 1981 attack on a 3-year-old Glendale girl is the only documented case in the country of a coyote killing a person.)


The only one so far... these morons don't care how many people are killed before attaining their perspective goals.

We've had 3 bear attacks in central Florida this year, in places where no one ever saw a bear a few years ago. Fortunately, no one has been killed. But, Game and Fish won't talk about a hunting season before 2024, BECAUSE... the bunny huggers have a lawsuit simply waiting on them to open one. They've been told so, and they aren't prepared to waste their resources to allow them to manage the wildlife they were hired to manage. The black bear management plan that they did, which was strongly influenced by the bunny huggers that have infiltrated the department, said they wouldn't consider a season before 2021, and presently they are holding that line, hard and fast, although bear numbers are rebounding substantially faster than their ridiculous computer models suggested.

They know there are more bear than they anticipated, they know there is a bear problem now, they know there is going to be a very serious bear problem before they open a season, they know a lot of bear are being killed now, and for the most part, they simply choose to disavow any knowledge of such activity.

So the activists think they've stopped everyone from killing bear, when in fact they haven't. Game and Fish could be receiving considerable money on all the licenses sold, but they aren't. The taxidermist could be mounting a lot of bear, but they aren't. The butcher shop could be making money cutting up bear meat, but they aren't. Gas, groceries, ammo, supplies could be being sold to hunters, but they aren't. All so a bunny hugger can have control over other peoples' lives.

Personally, I think we need to open a season on bunny huggers.


If they truly want fast and efficient poisons, I know of a couple pesticides that will drop anything that consumes them in under 10 feet. Tasteless, odorless, don't take much.
 
We haven't had a season since back in the 80s. They claimed the Florida Black Bear was on the verge of extinction, had them listed as a threatened species, and shut it down. There's never been a shortage of them down here. But, we now have "a miraculous comeback!!!" And, it's all the bunny huggers doings. Actually what we now have, is a bear problem! Pretty much statewide!!

Here where I'm at, 25 miles below the Okefenokee Swamp, a half million acre bear hatchery in south Georgia, there damm sure isn't any shortage. That has been compounded by nature and tree hugger mentality in man over the last several years as well. 4 years ago the southern end of the Okefenokee Swamp burned as a result of a lightning strike during dry times. The following year, they burned the entire swamp out, cost the tax payers about 7 million dollars to fight that wildfire, which was in fact a control burn. Those events each pushed a huge number of bear down into our area. Georgia still has a limited bear season, runs a couple weeks, and the area immediately north of us, bordering the Okefenokee Swamp, they killed over 100 bear in 2 weeks this season.
 
Originally Posted By: jumprightinitOriginally Posted By: BAYSTATE YOTENo Jump,just like most libreal causes and vote buying schemes,you and I get to pay for it...same here they wont let you shoot them,they will have you pay for the manner in witch they think they should die..

P.S. I would think that the poison that they want to use,will cause undo suffering,no?

I don't know what kind of poison they'd want to use but strychnine is pretty quick but I believe it's far from painless.

Absolutely... Above it mentioned a few ways

"Also popular are M-44 "coyote getters" — devices that lure the animals close with bait, then fire sodium cyanide into their throats... Exposure to those poisons results in cardiac arrest after as little as three minutes or as long as 10 hours, marked by severe convulsions."

Another method they mentioned was carbon monoxide... I think that one is painless... A couple weeks ago I blew out my rear tire... It was cold, dark and I had my son with me... I left the truck running since I had the heater on when I started to change the tire... I was laying on my back as I was using a flash light to set up the jack... I caught myself yawning and realized "you are laying under the exhaust, breathing it in you idiot!"... One of the dumbest things I have done in a while... Almost as dumb as the idea of coexisting with coyotes, as being a choice... I am relieved that coyote is here to stay... We have been coexisting with him for a long time and will continue to do so.. We may strike them down in numbers, yet their species always proves to not just adapt but flourish... I respect them for that even in spite of killing them..
 
They want the coyote population controlled, just not by hunters. They hate the fact that people enjoy hunting. That's all. They do not care about the coyotes or how many pets they kill. They just want to stop hunting. Period.
 
Originally Posted By: TheshedhunterThey want the coyote population controlled, just not by hunters. They hate the fact that people enjoy hunting. That's all. They do not care about the coyotes or how many pets they kill. They just want to stop hunting. Period.

Exactly
 
Couple years old but I found this one on Ms. Fox also. She's made noise long enough now that someone is finally listening. Educated, well raised, and practiced at what she's doing. Liberal loon, none the less, but she is no doubt an adversary to be wary of.


Quote:At Last, Media Coverage of Federal Wildlife Killing

May 2, 2012 by Linda Richards


I’ve written about the Project Coyote’s efforts (see end of post for my impression of their leader, Camilla Fox) to promote co-existence with coyotes and other wildlife, and mentioned the estimated half-million coyotes killed each year. I’m not sure if I included that the U.S. federal government – at taxpayer expense – kills 80,000 to 90,000 coyotes annually. Fox has said that changing this practice is their most challenging effort.

Finally, the media is addressing this issue. First, “The killing agency: Wildlife Services’ brutal methods leave a trail of animal death” was part of a three part series (4/29 & 4/30 and 5/6) in the Sacramento Bee. Investigative reporter Tom Knudson reveals the hidden underbelly of the federal agency that kills more than 4 million wild animals each year – including more than 80,000 coyotes and countless non-target animals- at taxpayer expense.

The same week, the San Francisco Chronicle ran a front-page article about Project Coyote’s antidote to this killing- the non-lethal Livestock & Wildlife Protection Program- in Marin County (CA).

What you can do?

Project Coyote urges these things:

1- Write to your Representative and urge him/her to support and co-sponsor H.R. 4214- The Compound 1080 and M-44 Elimination Act- which would ban two deadly poisons used to kill coyotes and other native carnivores by “Wildlife Services.” Take action here.

2- Support Project Coyote’s work in developing the models and materials that promote coexistence instead of killing such as those adopted by Marin County, CA featured in last week’s San Francisco Chronicle and communities nationwide (see website)

For more info, see my previous post: How to Change Coyote Trapping Practices


Camilla Fox, Project Coyote director

I had the pleasure of spending some time with Camilla Fox, the director of Project Coyote. A Boston University magna cum laude graduate who has served on numerous government advisory boards, Fox grew up with a family surrounded by canines: her father, Michael W. Fox is a prominent veterinarian, canine researcher and was author of the long-standing animal column in McCall’s magazine. Fox also grew up with a genetic disease that prevented her from having necessary surgery until age 18, and the physical disability she carried attracted unkind comments from some classmates. “I developed an empathy for those who were persecuted. We believe if we can shift away from the harsh treatment of the coyote we can change the treatment of all carnivores – wolves, bobcats, foxes,” she says, quick to discuss the lore of the coyote, the only carnivore native to North America.

http://ifnaturecouldtalk.com/at-last-media-coverage-of-federal-wildlife-killing


Snuggling up with the folks at the US Wolf Refuge here -

http://www.uswolfrefuge.org/newsletter/November_2013/index.aspx
 
Originally Posted By: Rocky1Couple years old but I found this one on Ms. Fox also. She's made noise long enough now that someone is finally listening. Educated, well raised, and practiced at what she's doing. Liberal loon, none the less, but she is no doubt an adversary to be wary of.


Quote:At Last, Media Coverage of Federal Wildlife Killing

May 2, 2012 by Linda Richards


I’ve written about the Project Coyote’s efforts (see end of post for my impression of their leader, Camilla Fox) to promote co-existence with coyotes and other wildlife, and mentioned the estimated half-million coyotes killed each year. I’m not sure if I included that the U.S. federal government – at taxpayer expense – kills 80,000 to 90,000 coyotes annually. Fox has said that changing this practice is their most challenging effort.

Finally, the media is addressing this issue. First, “The killing agency: Wildlife Services’ brutal methods leave a trail of animal death” was part of a three part series (4/29 & 4/30 and 5/6) in the Sacramento Bee. Investigative reporter Tom Knudson reveals the hidden underbelly of the federal agency that kills more than 4 million wild animals each year – including more than 80,000 coyotes and countless non-target animals- at taxpayer expense.

The same week, the San Francisco Chronicle ran a front-page article about Project Coyote’s antidote to this killing- the non-lethal Livestock & Wildlife Protection Program- in Marin County (CA).

What you can do?

Project Coyote urges these things:

1- Write to your Representative and urge him/her to support and co-sponsor H.R. 4214- The Compound 1080 and M-44 Elimination Act- which would ban two deadly poisons used to kill coyotes and other native carnivores by “Wildlife Services.” Take action here.

2- Support Project Coyote’s work in developing the models and materials that promote coexistence instead of killing such as those adopted by Marin County, CA featured in last week’s San Francisco Chronicle and communities nationwide (see website)

For more info, see my previous post: How to Change Coyote Trapping Practices


Camilla Fox, Project Coyote director

I had the pleasure of spending some time with Camilla Fox, the director of Project Coyote. A Boston University magna cum laude graduate who has served on numerous government advisory boards, Fox grew up with a family surrounded by canines: her father, Michael W. Fox is a prominent veterinarian, canine researcher and was author of the long-standing animal column in McCall’s magazine. Fox also grew up with a genetic disease that prevented her from having necessary surgery until age 18, and the physical disability she carried attracted unkind comments from some classmates. “I developed an empathy for those who were persecuted. We believe if we can shift away from the harsh treatment of the coyote we can change the treatment of all carnivores – wolves, bobcats, foxes,” she says, quick to discuss the lore of the coyote, the only carnivore native to North America.

http://ifnaturecouldtalk.com/at-last-media-coverage-of-federal-wildlife-killing


Snuggling up with the folks at the US Wolf Refuge here -

http://www.uswolfrefuge.org/newsletter/November_2013/index.aspx






Did I miss something? Is she saying that the coyote is the only Native North American carnivore? If so she must have never taken any biology in her academics. Besides all of the obvious ones T. Rex was also native at one time.
 
I'm not really sure where that came from Jump, given her background she obviously knows better, but if it was her saying such, it really wouldn't take much to discredit her.
 
Jump... spent the weekend on Yahoo since AZ and others here were all sleeping off holiday leftovers, and you would not believe all the things the liberals have taught me about the wiley coyote and their first cousin the Gray Wolf!!

I've argued to some extent with Camilla Fox's right hand at Project Coyote, this weekend, Ms. Keli Hendricks, who claims to live on a cattle ranch and never have a coyote problem. A little research did confirm she lives on a cattle ranch, in Diane Feinstein's territory, and that's all I can say I believe of her B_S_ story. Maybe there's enough rats and mice in central California that the coyotes aren't hungry, or maybe the coyotes are retards out there too, could be her neighbors shoot all of them they see, and she just thinks she has a healthy coyote population too.

However, this weekend I have learned that:

-- Coyote tournaments like the one in Idaho this weekend are going to wipe out every critter in the entire state, driving the poor wolf back to extinction globally.
-- Wolves do not feed on ungulates or livestock, they eat rodents, amphibians, and small birds, almost exclusively.
--Wolves NEVER kill livestock period, and even if they did, it's an inconsequential loss to the farmers and the ranchers who are all stealing from us running their cows on PUBLIC Land. (I sorta thought the $119,000,000 in predation losses annually were kinda consequential myself. Link to those stats got flagged for removal numerous times. And, you'd think everyone of those numb-nutted liberals' wives had run off with a cowboy, with all of the whining about PUBLIC land, and how they are stealing from the tax payer using said land.)
-- Wolves never kill for pleasure, they only kill for food, and eat 98% of ALL of their kills.
-- Apex predators have never attacked ANY HUMAN BEING, ANYWHERE, especially not here in the US and lying liberals will take down links that prove that to be B_S_ close to 20 times before you can lose them in the accumulated posts and sneak them into the argument.
-- Wolves never kill anything in the Alaskan Wilderness, they play with the locals' yard dogs.
-- There was nothing illegal about the introduction of non-native Canadian Gray Wolf.
-- There was nothing illegal about the misappropriation of Pittman-Robertson funds that were stolen to pay for a large segment of said Illegal Introduction of said Illegal Wolves. Or, the new USFWS Office in California that Congress had refused to fund. And, liberals hate those links as well!!
-- Every liberal argument is backed by "TOP SCIENTISTS" although there are usually a very small number of them involved in whatever hairbrained scheme they are screaming about.
-- The entire world exists solely because of the Wolf. Were it not for the Wolf, the entire environment would collapse, the earth would dry up and turn into space dust, the sun would cease to shine, and it would all be man's fault!! Just like it was the other 5 times 75% or more of all species on earth became extinct within a century, before man entered the picture. But don't tell them that man is not significant enough to do such things or that we weren't even here the last five times it happened, or they'll tell you in a heartbeat how naive and uninformed you are.
-- And, yes honestly, arguing with liberals really is like wrestling with pigs. I had to go take a shower at 5 am to get the stench off!!


It was interesting, to say the least. Been having one of my semi-annual bouts of insomnia of late, and it provided entertainment throughout the nights this weekend anyhow. Not to mention, the liberals had to sleep occasionally, and I kicked their collective asses on that worthless board while they were asleep!!
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