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#2738391 - 11/03/14 07:31 AM UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....?
dan brothers Offline
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Registered: 12/03/10
Posts: 3739
Loc: Santee, SC 29148 USA
What is the terrain like...? I'd like to go out there and hunt those bounty coyotes, but was wondering if the terrain is open or brushy. I mean... are the shots mostly under 300 yds because of sage brush and stuff... or are there places for longer, more open shots...?

I don't really care about the bounty... I can make more money staying home and working... but I like the thoughts of helping out a state that is DOING SOMETHING about these fawn killers. It's like hunting with a bigger cause in mind... helping out the team. I wish my state would do something here like that, because our deer population is way down as well. When I think about what the coyotes are doing on deer... and what the wolves are doing to elk... it makes me want to sling lead even more... for the Bigger Purpose.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks Guys...Dan


Edited by dan brothers (11/03/14 08:07 AM)
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#2738407 - 11/03/14 09:15 AM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: dan brothers]
DAA Offline
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Registered: 04/23/01
Posts: 5263
Loc: Salt Lake City
The bounty is a crock of crap, as far as doing any good. Political eye wash. Seriously, killing coyotes out in the desert in November isn't helping a darn thing. To be effective, you need to kill coyotes in certain areas at certain times. And it helps if you can specifically target mating pairs, too. Not just any coyote anywhere, anytime. Bounties don't work for coyotes. Never have. Never will.

Take that bounty money and spend it on aviation fuel and shotgun shells for the guys who actually know how to do control work and it would have FAR more impact than spreading it out amongst every recreational calling, swinging unit in the state.

And don't get me started on how many guys the bounty motivated to get out there and educate and cross wire every coyote in the state. Calling in Utah has been pretty poor for a lot of years but it got noticeably worse since the bounty started. And it's not because there are any fewer coyotes...

Speaking of not being fewer coyotes, the numbers for bounty payout are public info. The numbers are so far below the stated goals for the program it's ridiculous. Especially since nobody with even a little bit of knowledge on coyotes in this state and two brain cells to rub together thought the numbers they put out when the program started were based on anything but pure fantasy.

I said from day one it would not result in any more coyotes getting killed. And it hasn't. Guys like me were already hunting as much as we could and killing as many as we could. The bounty did not motivate us to get out more - we were already motivated just by love of the sport. The bounty made it so a lot of us spend less time hunting in Utah and more time visiting other states though. To avoid all the clueless bounty hunters and the massively educated coyotes they leave in their wake.

That's all not even to mention how many Wyoming, Idaho and Nevada coyotes are getting turned in.

The Utah bounty program is stupid. S-T-U-P-I-D. Pork barrel jack wagon politico bull crap at it's finest.

If you seriously want to do some good, wait until April or May and hunt the fawning areas. It's tough hunting. Usually not many coyotes around. But if you can kill any, they might actually have eaten fawn so it might actually matter. Head out to the desert in the winter and kill some YoY, big whoopee crap. Ain't doing any good for fawns that will be born in the mountains the following spring and summer.

But, the bounty pays good, might as well get mine, no sense not taking the money, yadda yadda yadda.

To answer your question though, Utah has every kind of terrain.

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#2738415 - 11/03/14 09:44 AM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: dan brothers]
dan brothers Offline
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Registered: 12/03/10
Posts: 3739
Loc: Santee, SC 29148 USA
I was reading their website, and they did say that there is a yearly coyote kill of around 7000... and that they did want them targeted more around the mating season instead of now.
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#2738442 - 11/03/14 11:01 AM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: dan brothers]
lyotehunter Offline
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Registered: 02/23/02
Posts: 1825
Loc: roy,ut.,u.s.a.
they claim to want them killed where there are deer that they kill,our deer numbers fell this is their way to claim to help.our game dept speds most of their time looking at computers not at actual game.example we only get a linited number of bobcat tags all the states around us get unlimited numbers.i read an article several years ago about the number of cat in the state and it gave a specific number 35000[not a quote ] then further down the same article said they actually did not know how many bobcats there were,figure that one out.but i will take their money they take enough from me,taxes on my cars,tow trailers,atv's,etc. every year


Edited by lyotehunter (11/03/14 11:04 AM)
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#2738489 - 11/03/14 12:13 PM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: DAA]
JoshuaN Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 01/05/14
Posts: 557
Loc: Utah
Originally Posted By: DAA
The bounty is a crock of crap, as far as doing any good. Political eye wash. Seriously, killing coyotes out in the desert in November isn't helping a darn thing. To be effective, you need to kill coyotes in certain areas at certain times. And it helps if you can specifically target mating pairs, too. Not just any coyote anywhere, anytime. Bounties don't work for coyotes. Never have. Never will.

Take that bounty money and spend it on aviation fuel and shotgun shells for the guys who actually know how to do control work and it would have FAR more impact than spreading it out amongst every recreational calling, swinging unit in the state.

And don't get me started on how many guys the bounty motivated to get out there and educate and cross wire every coyote in the state. Calling in Utah has been pretty poor for a lot of years but it got noticeably worse since the bounty started. And it's not because there are any fewer coyotes...

Speaking of not being fewer coyotes, the numbers for bounty payout are public info. The numbers are so far below the stated goals for the program it's ridiculous. Especially since nobody with even a little bit of knowledge on coyotes in this state and two brain cells to rub together thought the numbers they put out when the program started were based on anything but pure fantasy.

I said from day one it would not result in any more coyotes getting killed. And it hasn't. Guys like me were already hunting as much as we could and killing as many as we could. The bounty did not motivate us to get out more - we were already motivated just by love of the sport. The bounty made it so a lot of us spend less time hunting in Utah and more time visiting other states though. To avoid all the clueless bounty hunters and the massively educated coyotes they leave in their wake.

That's all not even to mention how many Wyoming, Idaho and Nevada coyotes are getting turned in.

The Utah bounty program is stupid. S-T-U-P-I-D. Pork barrel jack wagon politico bull crap at it's finest.

If you seriously want to do some good, wait until April or May and hunt the fawning areas. It's tough hunting. Usually not many coyotes around. But if you can kill any, they might actually have eaten fawn so it might actually matter. Head out to the desert in the winter and kill some YoY, big whoopee crap. Ain't doing any good for fawns that will be born in the mountains the following spring and summer.

But, the bounty pays good, might as well get mine, no sense not taking the money, yadda yadda yadda.

To answer your question though, Utah has every kind of terrain.

- DAA


Tell us how you really feel Dave. I have to admit the bounty was a motivating factor for me but based on the amount of time I've invested in learning how handle my addiction it's clearly not a factor on whether or not I get out and hunt. If it were I would have quit months ago. I've only ever hunted in Wyoming and my first stand I called in a coyote within 3 mins of setting up. I really want to head out to Nevada to try my skills out there where you may find a spot where they've never heard a hunter calling.

Dave there is a contest in a couple of weeks out in Nevada you want to partner up? Last year there were 110 teams and the winer splits the jackpot which based on this years entry would have been over $9k. Definitely worth a trip out in my opinion.
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#2738498 - 11/03/14 12:24 PM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: dan brothers]
DAA Offline
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Registered: 04/23/01
Posts: 5263
Loc: Salt Lake City
Josh, I'm definitely not interested in doing any contest hunts. Have never had any interest in them. Does not appeal to me on any level. Coyote hunting is a rare bull crap free zone for me. Not looking to artificially inject it with bull crap by turning it into a contest.

Just not my speed.

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#2738578 - 11/03/14 03:31 PM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: DAA]
tripod3 Online
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 8413
Loc: WA
Funny because we have aerial gunners funded by the state and feds here. Those gunners even take out cats and have taken sheep.
Many of us wish we had a bounty. Being on the east side we often get overrun by west siders hunting.
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#2738639 - 11/03/14 06:39 PM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: dan brothers]
dan brothers Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 12/03/10
Posts: 3739
Loc: Santee, SC 29148 USA
putting the bounty aside... is Utah worth going to for coyote hunting...? What other state would you Boys go to..?
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#2738644 - 11/03/14 06:52 PM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: dan brothers]
HunterTanner Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 06/08/14
Posts: 29
Loc: Utah
To actually answer your question, most is brushlike country and sagebrush.
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#2738675 - 11/03/14 08:02 PM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: dan brothers]
chazwho2 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 01/21/06
Posts: 1200
Loc: Utah
Originally Posted By: dan brothers
putting the bounty aside... is Utah worth going to for coyote hunting...? What other state would you Boys go to..?


Honestly if I was planning a trip I would go to New Mexico or Nevada.

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#2738689 - 11/03/14 08:34 PM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: chazwho2]
NV Bill Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 11/06/13
Posts: 182
Loc: Columbus, MT
Originally Posted By: chazwho2
Originally Posted By: dan brothers
putting the bounty aside... is Utah worth going to for coyote hunting...? What other state would you Boys go to..?


Honestly if I was planning a trip I would go to New Mexico or Nevada.


Coyote hunting is terrible in Nevada! Don't waste your time tt2

Go west young man! California is the land of milk, honey, and coyotes. Or was it fruits and nuts!? Make sure to keep an eye out for the tie dye wearing ones! :-)

In all truth there are some pockets of great hunting here, but there's a lot of country to pick from, so choose wisely.

Hmmmm, I should take some of my own advice! Haha

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#2738700 - 11/03/14 09:05 PM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: dan brothers]
tripod3 Online
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 8413
Loc: WA
Originally Posted By: dan brothers
putting the bounty aside... is Utah worth going to for coyote hunting...? What other state would you Boys go to..?


Although there seem to be areas of coyotes in the southwest states, the cactus is haunting to me. So I stay more northern. Nevada, southern ID, eastern OR, and eastern WA which have much open sagebrush ground. Out of State license is spendy here though.
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#2738810 - 11/04/14 12:17 AM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: dan brothers]
JoshuaN Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 01/05/14
Posts: 557
Loc: Utah
Originally Posted By: dan brothers
putting the bounty aside... is Utah worth going to for coyote hunting...? What other state would you Boys go to..?


Wyoming or continue west to Nevada. It's tough calling around here.
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#2738811 - 11/04/14 12:19 AM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: DAA]
JoshuaN Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 01/05/14
Posts: 557
Loc: Utah
Originally Posted By: DAA
Josh, I'm definitely not interested in doing any contest hunts. Have never had any interest in them. Does not appeal to me on any level. Coyote hunting is a rare bull crap free zone for me. Not looking to artificially inject it with bull crap by turning it into a contest.

Just not my speed.

- DAA


That's understandable.
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#2738898 - 11/04/14 11:23 AM Re: UTAH.... Open Country or Brushy....? [Re: dan brothers]
steve garrett Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 01/18/03
Posts: 2217
Loc: tx
I hate the contests too. why because its gets more people out that wouldn't be hunting otherwise. Contest hunting isn't about enjoying new areas and scenery. its about calling as many areas as fast as you can. The guys that win the big contests look VERY carefully at the results its typically the same guys, but when the contest is held in other states or areas the same people aren't winning in other areas. what that tells me is the winners had special access to something others didn't or know something about THAT area others don't. wow thats really going to stir the pot. so be it. I just hate contests that much. its opposed to just about everything I enjoy about coyote hunting.
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