tnshootist
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Fox says a second health care worker has tested positive for Ebola at the Dallas hospital. Wonder when the CDC will start telling the truth about how it spreads. Maybe they don't know.
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kymailman98
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This has the potential to get out of hand. I think we didn't take it serious enough to begin with, and now we're paying the price. I imagine we will never know, but I strongly suspect the CDC has been taking it's orders from the White House, because our president doesn't want us discriminating against Africa. When the outbreak in Africa started, we should have slapped a travel restriction on anyone coming from there. Maybe it would have helped, maybe it wouldn't have, but it sure wouldn't have hurt anything.
NdIndy
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They dont know how it spreads. They say that the only way to contract it is to essentially take the infected vomit, blood, feces a d rub it into open wounds. But its apparently a lot easier to contract.
And since they took his infected everything through the same routes that every other patients stuff goes through the entire hospital if contaminated.
And since they took his infected everything through the same routes that every other patients stuff goes through the entire hospital if contaminated.
clearly this person violated protocols, so it's their own [beeep] fault. they'll be made comfortable while they wait to die.
in the meantime, don't break protocol if you don't want to get ebola. pretty simple, really.
in the meantime, don't break protocol if you don't want to get ebola. pretty simple, really.
midwestpredator
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Originally Posted By: Stu Farishclearly this person violated protocols, so it's their own [beeep] fault. they'll be made comfortable while they wait to die.
in the meantime, don't break protocol if you don't want to get ebola. pretty simple, really.
You might be jumping the gun on your assessment of following protocol. From what this article says, there isn't much of a protocol in place and even when they were in protective gear, their necks were still exposed. They were supposedly told to use medical tape to cover there neck??? I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like it would provide much protection.
Ebola nurse #2
BREAKING: 2nd healthcare worker tests positive for Ebola at Dallas hospital
Posted: Oct 15, 2014 4:40 AM CDT Updated: Oct 15, 2014 4:40 AM CDT
A second health care worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital who provided care for Thomas Eric Duncan has tested positive for Ebola, the state's health department said Wednesday.
The worker reported a fever Tuesday and was immediately isolated, health department spokeswoman Carrie Williams said.
The facility will now begin monitoring all those who had contact with the unidentified worker for signs of potential exposures.
The preliminary Ebola test was done late Tuesday at the state public health laboratory in Austin, and the results came back around midnight.
A second test will be conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
The latest infection -- the second-ever transmission of Ebola in the United States -- comes a day after a nurses' union slammed Texas Health Presbyterian, saying the hospital had guidelines that were "constantly changing" and didn't have protocols on how to deal with the deadly virus.
"The protocols that should have been in place in Dallas were not in place, and that those protocols are not in place anywhere in the United States as far as we can tell," National Nurses United Executive Director RoseAnn DeMoro said Tuesday night. "We're deeply alarmed."
Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas treated Thomas Eric Duncan before his death from Ebola last week. Nurse Nina Pham, who cared for him, is being treated for the virus.
CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta said the claims, if true, are "startling." He said some of them could be "important when it comes to possible other infections."
Officials from National Nurses United declined to specify how many nurses they had spoken with, nor identify them to to protect them from possible retaliation. The nurses at the hospital are not members of a union, officials said.
Here's a look at some of the allegations the nurses made, according to the union:
On the day that Duncan was admitted to the hospital with possible Ebola symptoms, he was "left for several hours, not in isolation, in an area where other patients were present," union co-president Deborah Burger said.
Up to seven other patients were present in that area, the nurses said, according to the union.
A nursing supervisor faced resistance from hospital authorities when the supervisor demanded that Duncan be moved to an isolation unit, the nurses said, according to the union.
After expressing concerns that their necks were exposed even as they wore protective gear, the nurses were told to wrap their necks with medical tape, the union says.
"They were told to use medical tape and had to use four to five pieces of medical tape wound around their neck. The nurses have expressed a lot of concern about how difficult it is to remove the tape from their neck," Burger said.
"There was no one to pick up hazardous waste as it piled to the ceiling," Burger said. "They did not have access to proper supplies."
"There was no mandate for nurses to attend training," Burger said, though they did receive an e-mail about a hospital seminar on Ebola.
"This was treated like hundreds of other seminars that were routinely offered to staff," she said.
So why did the group of nurses -- the union wouldn't say how many -- contact the nursing union, which they don't belong to?
According to DeMoro, the nurses were upset after authorities appeared to blame nurse Pham, who has contracted Ebola, for not following protocols.
"This nurse was being blamed for not following protocols that did not exist. ... The nurses in that hospital were very angry, and they decided to contact us," DeMoro said.
And they're worried conditions at the hospital "may lead to infection of other nurses and patients," Burger said.
A hospital spokesman did not respond to the specific allegations, but said patient and employee safety is the hospital's top priority.
"We take compliance very seriously. We have numerous measures in place to provide a safe working environment, including mandatory annual training and a 24-7 hotline and other mechanisms that allow for anonymous reporting," hospital spokesman Wendell Watson said.
The Dallas mayor declined to comment on the accusations against the hospital.
"I don't comment on anonymous allegations," Mike Rawlings said.
But the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a statement following the union's claims.
"For health care workers in Dallas and elsewhere, the Ebola situation is extremely difficult," CDC spokeman Tom Skinner wrote.
"The CDC is committed to their safety, and we'll continue to do everything possible to make sure they have what they need so they can prepare to safely manage Ebola patients."
in the meantime, don't break protocol if you don't want to get ebola. pretty simple, really.
You might be jumping the gun on your assessment of following protocol. From what this article says, there isn't much of a protocol in place and even when they were in protective gear, their necks were still exposed. They were supposedly told to use medical tape to cover there neck??? I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like it would provide much protection.
Ebola nurse #2
BREAKING: 2nd healthcare worker tests positive for Ebola at Dallas hospital
Posted: Oct 15, 2014 4:40 AM CDT Updated: Oct 15, 2014 4:40 AM CDT
A second health care worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital who provided care for Thomas Eric Duncan has tested positive for Ebola, the state's health department said Wednesday.
The worker reported a fever Tuesday and was immediately isolated, health department spokeswoman Carrie Williams said.
The facility will now begin monitoring all those who had contact with the unidentified worker for signs of potential exposures.
The preliminary Ebola test was done late Tuesday at the state public health laboratory in Austin, and the results came back around midnight.
A second test will be conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
The latest infection -- the second-ever transmission of Ebola in the United States -- comes a day after a nurses' union slammed Texas Health Presbyterian, saying the hospital had guidelines that were "constantly changing" and didn't have protocols on how to deal with the deadly virus.
"The protocols that should have been in place in Dallas were not in place, and that those protocols are not in place anywhere in the United States as far as we can tell," National Nurses United Executive Director RoseAnn DeMoro said Tuesday night. "We're deeply alarmed."
Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas treated Thomas Eric Duncan before his death from Ebola last week. Nurse Nina Pham, who cared for him, is being treated for the virus.
CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta said the claims, if true, are "startling." He said some of them could be "important when it comes to possible other infections."
Officials from National Nurses United declined to specify how many nurses they had spoken with, nor identify them to to protect them from possible retaliation. The nurses at the hospital are not members of a union, officials said.
Here's a look at some of the allegations the nurses made, according to the union:
On the day that Duncan was admitted to the hospital with possible Ebola symptoms, he was "left for several hours, not in isolation, in an area where other patients were present," union co-president Deborah Burger said.
Up to seven other patients were present in that area, the nurses said, according to the union.
A nursing supervisor faced resistance from hospital authorities when the supervisor demanded that Duncan be moved to an isolation unit, the nurses said, according to the union.
After expressing concerns that their necks were exposed even as they wore protective gear, the nurses were told to wrap their necks with medical tape, the union says.
"They were told to use medical tape and had to use four to five pieces of medical tape wound around their neck. The nurses have expressed a lot of concern about how difficult it is to remove the tape from their neck," Burger said.
"There was no one to pick up hazardous waste as it piled to the ceiling," Burger said. "They did not have access to proper supplies."
"There was no mandate for nurses to attend training," Burger said, though they did receive an e-mail about a hospital seminar on Ebola.
"This was treated like hundreds of other seminars that were routinely offered to staff," she said.
So why did the group of nurses -- the union wouldn't say how many -- contact the nursing union, which they don't belong to?
According to DeMoro, the nurses were upset after authorities appeared to blame nurse Pham, who has contracted Ebola, for not following protocols.
"This nurse was being blamed for not following protocols that did not exist. ... The nurses in that hospital were very angry, and they decided to contact us," DeMoro said.
And they're worried conditions at the hospital "may lead to infection of other nurses and patients," Burger said.
A hospital spokesman did not respond to the specific allegations, but said patient and employee safety is the hospital's top priority.
"We take compliance very seriously. We have numerous measures in place to provide a safe working environment, including mandatory annual training and a 24-7 hotline and other mechanisms that allow for anonymous reporting," hospital spokesman Wendell Watson said.
The Dallas mayor declined to comment on the accusations against the hospital.
"I don't comment on anonymous allegations," Mike Rawlings said.
But the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a statement following the union's claims.
"For health care workers in Dallas and elsewhere, the Ebola situation is extremely difficult," CDC spokeman Tom Skinner wrote.
"The CDC is committed to their safety, and we'll continue to do everything possible to make sure they have what they need so they can prepare to safely manage Ebola patients."
I'm quite serious. That's been the CDC's position since the first one came down with it: protocol was broken.
I'm also being quite sarcastic in that no one knows what the stinking protocols are. But golly gee, if you catch ebola, you must have broke them.
I'm also being quite sarcastic in that no one knows what the stinking protocols are. But golly gee, if you catch ebola, you must have broke them.
midwestpredator
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I hear ya cluckin now big chicken. I didn't catch on to the sarcasm, haven't had enough coffee yet today.
2 people in my office are flying to dallas next week. you watch them bring that crap back here...
Quote:Ebola outbreak: Dallas nurse flew before falling ill
A nurse newly diagnosed in Dallas with Ebola took a flight from Cleveland the day before she showed symptoms, US health officials have confirmed.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is seeking to interview 132 passengers who flew on Frontier flight 1143 on 13 October.
The nurse, the second to contract the disease in the US, reported symptoms of Ebola on 14 October.
She had treated a Liberian national who died in Dallas on 8 October.
Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed in the US with Ebola, started showing symptoms of the disease just days after he arrived in Texas from Liberia, where he contracted the disease.
The two US female nurses known to be infected with Ebola treated him at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas.
The CDC said in a statement it would be interviewing the passengers on the Cleveland to Dallas flight because of the "proximity in time between the evening flight and first report of illness the following morning".
The flight crew told CDC investigators that the nurse showed no signs of illness on the flight.
Health officials say Ebola patients are not infectious before they show symptoms.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29632433
Regards,
hm
A nurse newly diagnosed in Dallas with Ebola took a flight from Cleveland the day before she showed symptoms, US health officials have confirmed.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is seeking to interview 132 passengers who flew on Frontier flight 1143 on 13 October.
The nurse, the second to contract the disease in the US, reported symptoms of Ebola on 14 October.
She had treated a Liberian national who died in Dallas on 8 October.
Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed in the US with Ebola, started showing symptoms of the disease just days after he arrived in Texas from Liberia, where he contracted the disease.
The two US female nurses known to be infected with Ebola treated him at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas.
The CDC said in a statement it would be interviewing the passengers on the Cleveland to Dallas flight because of the "proximity in time between the evening flight and first report of illness the following morning".
The flight crew told CDC investigators that the nurse showed no signs of illness on the flight.
Health officials say Ebola patients are not infectious before they show symptoms.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29632433
Regards,
hm
midwestpredator
Active member
Originally Posted By: Stu Farish2 people in my office are flying to dallas next week. you watch them bring that crap back here...
Sounds like it would be a good time to burn up a couple weeks of vacation, starting the first day those 2 return to the office.
Sounds like it would be a good time to burn up a couple weeks of vacation, starting the first day those 2 return to the office.
tnshootist
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Travel as it is now just has to spread anything that can be spread. To not limit travel till more is known is foolish. I know a person who is flying internationally soon.I wish she would cancel the trip,it's not worth it. People should voluntarily limit travel by mass transit as much as possible. It's not just themselves they may put in danger. With all the tech stuff business travel would seem to be almost needless.
That won't work..
These idiots are no better than any other group of government desk jockies.
They have been siting around for decades..
They knew for months this was going on and they failed to respond when it did happen. The average hospital worker isn't going to know how to handle what is involved with handling something deadly like this..
Now they are saying that they are going to send someone to monitor and advise on how to properly handle and take on and off the suits.
The CDC has failed us, and they are not stopping the flights and blockind people from that part of the world, they also should lock down that area in Dallas.. They are not locking down the border..
This is a failure of the people and failure to protect the American people and liberalism showing what it's really about and how they think that we have to be part of the global society.
Lock the border down, put the troops there, and start treating it the way it should be treated..
Thankfully someone is developing a way to test someone in 10 minutes.. The stupid heat temp gun isn't working..
Anyone coming here from anywhere that has a disease outbreak, should be held in quarentine for a week at least.
Failure to take this seriously will bring the entire coutry to a holt, and really make this hard to deal with..
The good news is that winter is coming and the cold alone will limit the spread based on the way people behave during winter vs. summer.
If you are a planning person, i would suggest thinking about what you would want/need to isolate yourself for 6 months. (it takes one person to know or show symtoms upto 21 days.. If you infect someone at day 15, then they do the same at day 15.. This kind of thing could take a long time to work its self out. with 70% fatality, If they fail to keep it out, and find something to limit its damage, we could face a situation where a very large portion of our coutry would die. Once it starts getting in south America, it will be here quickly since there will be a flood of people running from it and running here for care)
These idiots are no better than any other group of government desk jockies.
They have been siting around for decades..
They knew for months this was going on and they failed to respond when it did happen. The average hospital worker isn't going to know how to handle what is involved with handling something deadly like this..
Now they are saying that they are going to send someone to monitor and advise on how to properly handle and take on and off the suits.
The CDC has failed us, and they are not stopping the flights and blockind people from that part of the world, they also should lock down that area in Dallas.. They are not locking down the border..
This is a failure of the people and failure to protect the American people and liberalism showing what it's really about and how they think that we have to be part of the global society.
Lock the border down, put the troops there, and start treating it the way it should be treated..
Thankfully someone is developing a way to test someone in 10 minutes.. The stupid heat temp gun isn't working..
Anyone coming here from anywhere that has a disease outbreak, should be held in quarentine for a week at least.
Failure to take this seriously will bring the entire coutry to a holt, and really make this hard to deal with..
The good news is that winter is coming and the cold alone will limit the spread based on the way people behave during winter vs. summer.
If you are a planning person, i would suggest thinking about what you would want/need to isolate yourself for 6 months. (it takes one person to know or show symtoms upto 21 days.. If you infect someone at day 15, then they do the same at day 15.. This kind of thing could take a long time to work its self out. with 70% fatality, If they fail to keep it out, and find something to limit its damage, we could face a situation where a very large portion of our coutry would die. Once it starts getting in south America, it will be here quickly since there will be a flood of people running from it and running here for care)
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I don't have enough to spare, not if I want a chance at making it to the hunt in feb.
wilydawg
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Originally Posted By: hm1996Quote:Ebola outbreak: Dallas nurse flew before falling ill
A nurse newly diagnosed in Dallas with Ebola took a flight from Cleveland the day before she showed symptoms, US health officials have confirmed.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is seeking to interview 132 passengers who flew on Frontier flight 1143 on 13 October.
The nurse, the second to contract the disease in the US, reported symptoms of Ebola on 14 October.
She had treated a Liberian national who died in Dallas on 8 October.
Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed in the US with Ebola, started showing symptoms of the disease just days after he arrived in Texas from Liberia, where he contracted the disease.
The two US female nurses known to be infected with Ebola treated him at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas.
The CDC said in a statement it would be interviewing the passengers on the Cleveland to Dallas flight because of the "proximity in time between the evening flight and first report of illness the following morning".
The flight crew told CDC investigators that the nurse showed no signs of illness on the flight.
Health officials say Ebola patients are not infectious before they show symptoms.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29632433
Regards,
hm
I just heard on Fox News that the nurse on board this flight had a "low level fever" when she boarded it. Isn't that a symptom???
A nurse newly diagnosed in Dallas with Ebola took a flight from Cleveland the day before she showed symptoms, US health officials have confirmed.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is seeking to interview 132 passengers who flew on Frontier flight 1143 on 13 October.
The nurse, the second to contract the disease in the US, reported symptoms of Ebola on 14 October.
She had treated a Liberian national who died in Dallas on 8 October.
Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed in the US with Ebola, started showing symptoms of the disease just days after he arrived in Texas from Liberia, where he contracted the disease.
The two US female nurses known to be infected with Ebola treated him at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas.
The CDC said in a statement it would be interviewing the passengers on the Cleveland to Dallas flight because of the "proximity in time between the evening flight and first report of illness the following morning".
The flight crew told CDC investigators that the nurse showed no signs of illness on the flight.
Health officials say Ebola patients are not infectious before they show symptoms.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29632433
Regards,
hm
I just heard on Fox News that the nurse on board this flight had a "low level fever" when she boarded it. Isn't that a symptom???
Rocky1
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Originally Posted By: wilydawgOriginally Posted By: hm1996Quote:Ebola outbreak: Dallas nurse flew before falling ill
A nurse newly diagnosed in Dallas with Ebola took a flight from Cleveland the day before she showed symptoms, US health officials have confirmed.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is seeking to interview 132 passengers who flew on Frontier flight 1143 on 13 October.
The nurse, the second to contract the disease in the US, reported symptoms of Ebola on 14 October.
She had treated a Liberian national who died in Dallas on 8 October.
Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed in the US with Ebola, started showing symptoms of the disease just days after he arrived in Texas from Liberia, where he contracted the disease.
The two US female nurses known to be infected with Ebola treated him at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas.
The CDC said in a statement it would be interviewing the passengers on the Cleveland to Dallas flight because of the "proximity in time between the evening flight and first report of illness the following morning".
The flight crew told CDC investigators that the nurse showed no signs of illness on the flight.
Health officials say Ebola patients are not infectious before they show symptoms.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29632433
Regards,
hm
I just heard on Fox News that the nurse on board this flight had a "low level fever" when she boarded it. Isn't that a symptom???
Speaking of protocals... Why weren't these health care workers quarantined after treating this guy??? How many patients have they exposed in the hospital, with weakened immune systems? Why are they traveling to other parts of the country before determining there is no threat??? Suggesting there were no protocals in place, and it's all the hospital's fault MIGHT explain them having it, but hopping on a plane for Cleveland, doesn't excuse her from being stupid herself in spreading it halfway across the country.
A nurse newly diagnosed in Dallas with Ebola took a flight from Cleveland the day before she showed symptoms, US health officials have confirmed.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is seeking to interview 132 passengers who flew on Frontier flight 1143 on 13 October.
The nurse, the second to contract the disease in the US, reported symptoms of Ebola on 14 October.
She had treated a Liberian national who died in Dallas on 8 October.
Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed in the US with Ebola, started showing symptoms of the disease just days after he arrived in Texas from Liberia, where he contracted the disease.
The two US female nurses known to be infected with Ebola treated him at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas.
The CDC said in a statement it would be interviewing the passengers on the Cleveland to Dallas flight because of the "proximity in time between the evening flight and first report of illness the following morning".
The flight crew told CDC investigators that the nurse showed no signs of illness on the flight.
Health officials say Ebola patients are not infectious before they show symptoms.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29632433
Regards,
hm
I just heard on Fox News that the nurse on board this flight had a "low level fever" when she boarded it. Isn't that a symptom???
Speaking of protocals... Why weren't these health care workers quarantined after treating this guy??? How many patients have they exposed in the hospital, with weakened immune systems? Why are they traveling to other parts of the country before determining there is no threat??? Suggesting there were no protocals in place, and it's all the hospital's fault MIGHT explain them having it, but hopping on a plane for Cleveland, doesn't excuse her from being stupid herself in spreading it halfway across the country.