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#2713247 - 08/25/14 07:34 AM Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates
CatShooter Offline
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Registered: 01/24/02
Posts: 9094
Loc: The Socialist Republic of CT.
What's hot, and what's not!!

I am doing some polls to find out the trends and preferences in handloading.

It is only covering the popular, major manufacturers... companies that you would be able to buy through common outlets, like your local "Gun shoppe" or major mail order outlets like MidwayUSA

It will not cover companies like CH4D or Harrells (although CH4D is one of my favorites), or narrow spectrum specialty companies like Dillon.

And I have misgivings about including Lee, because they are not in the same category as the other companies.
It's like doing a poll on Toyota, Audi, Honda, Mitsubishi, Nissan...

... and Yugo. But since Lee is sold through most mail order dealers, I put Lee in the poll.

You have to answer the question to see the results. When you enter the answer to one poll, the page reappears so you can see that answer, and then answer the next question.

Some of the questions allow only one choice, and some multiple choices.

It runs until Saturday night at 11 PM

Thanks guys - this might actually make a difference, because I am going to present the results in a report that I am preparing to a major USA manufacturer.

There is no bias - the companies are listed in alphabetical order.

Best company image
%%NUMBER%% choices allowed 2 (227 total votes)
Forster - 30 (13%)
Hornady - 44 (19%)
Lee - 6 (3%)
Lyman - 1 (00%)
RCBS - 87 (38%)
Redding - 59 (26%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
WORST company image
%%NUMBER%% choices allowed 2 (194 total votes)
Forster - 6 (03%)
Hornady - 14 (07%)
Lee - 103 (53%)
Lyman - 62 (32%)
RCBS - 4 (02%)
Redding - 5 (3%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
Best customer service
Only one choice allowed (133 total votes)
Forster - 4 (03%)
Hornady - 16 (12%)
Lee - 7 (05%)
Lyman - 1 (1%)
RCBS - 89 (67%)
Redding - 16 (12%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
WORST customer service
Only one choice allowed (103 total votes)
Forster - 5 (5%)
Hornady - 14 (14%)
Lee - 43 (42%)
Lyman - 29 (28%)
RCBS - 5 (5%)
Redding - 7 (7%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
Best single station "O" frame press
%%NUMBER%% choices allowed 2 (165 total votes)
Hornady - 9 (05%)
Lee - 7 (04%)
Lyman - 3 (2%)
RCBS - 108 (65%)
Redding - 38 (23%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
WORST single station "O" frame press
%%NUMBER%% choices allowed 2 (134 total votes)
Hornady - 16 (12%)
Lee - 86 (64%)
Lyman - 28 (21%)
RCBS - 1 (1%)
Redding - 3 (02%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
Best Reloading dies
%%NUMBER%% choices allowed 3 (272 total votes)
Forster - 60 (22%)
Hornady - 28 (10%)
Lee - 12 (04%)
Lyman - 3 (01%)
RCBS - 75 (28%)
Redding - 94 (35%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
WORST Reloading dies
%%NUMBER%% choices allowed 3 (201 total votes)
Forster - 6 (3%)
Hornady - 39 (19%)
Lee - 84 (42%)
Lyman - 60 (30%)
RCBS - 10 (5%)
Redding - 2 (1%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
Best Reloading data (manual or website)
%%NUMBER%% choices allowed 2 (204 total votes)
Hodgdon - 97 (48%)
Lee - 6 (3%)
Lyman - 19 (09%)
Sierra - 70 (34%)
Speer - 12 (6%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
WORST Reloading data (manual or website)
%%NUMBER%% choices allowed 2 (136 total votes)
Hodgdon - 3 (02%)
Lee - 69 (51%)
Lyman - 35 (26%)
Sierra - 5 (4%)
Speer - 24 (18%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
Best Electronic powder dispenser
Only one choice allowed (101 total votes)
Hornady - 6 (6%)
Lee - 1 (1%)
Pact - 5 (5%)
RCBS - 89 (88%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
WORST electronic powder dispenser
Only one choice allowed (80 total votes)
Hornady - 13 (16%)
Lyman - 43 (54%)
Pact - 19 (24%)
RCBS - 5 (06%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
Best mechanical Scale
Only one choice allowed (109 total votes)
Hornady - 3 (3%)
Lee - 1 (1%)
Lyman - 2 (2%)
RCBS - 84 (77%)
Redding - 19 (17%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM
WORST mechanical Scale
Only one choice allowed (95 total votes)
Hornady - 2 (02%)
Lee - 78 (82%)
Lyman - 14 (15%)
RCBS - 1 (01%)
Redding - 0 (0%)
Voting on this poll ends: 08/30/14 11:00 PM

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#2713317 - 08/25/14 12:21 PM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: CatShooter]
ninehorses Offline
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Registered: 11/18/01
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I wish you would have included Berger, and Nosler in your list of reloading manuals.
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#2713340 - 08/25/14 01:59 PM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: ninehorses]
Hidalgo Offline
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Registered: 09/10/06
Posts: 6081
Loc: TN
The only problem I see (if you want to call it that) is that your answers are going to be influenced by folks that have only owned 1 of the choices. If a person always uses RCBS and has never used Redding or Lee, he would obviously vote for RCBS because he has no experience with anything else.

I don't know how you would fix that, though ...... huh

Or ....... is that what you are trying to find out?

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#2713341 - 08/25/14 02:02 PM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: ninehorses]
Dtwee Offline
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Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 110
And the Hornady manual. That's three of the best five printed resources left off the list.

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#2713354 - 08/25/14 02:36 PM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: Hidalgo]
DesertRam Offline
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Registered: 04/26/01
Posts: 8635
Loc: Las Cruces, NM USA
Originally Posted By: Hidalgo
The only problem I see (if you want to call it that) is that your answers are going to be influenced by folks that have only owned 1 of the choices.


In that situation I abstained. For instance, I've only used the RCBS electronic scale, so to me it's the best...and worst. I didn't vote on a couple others for the same reason.
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#2713355 - 08/25/14 02:38 PM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: CatShooter]
NorTex250 Offline
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Registered: 12/31/12
Posts: 267
Loc: Krum TX
I think if you dont have enough experience to truly have an opinion on one of the questions you just shouldn't submit an answer for that question. It doesn't say anywhere you have to answer them all.

I left three unanswered.
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#2713358 - 08/25/14 02:42 PM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: ninehorses]
CatShooter Offline
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Registered: 01/24/02
Posts: 9094
Loc: The Socialist Republic of CT.
Originally Posted By: ninehorses
I wish you would have included Berger, and Nosler in your list of reloading manuals.


I forgot Nosler - my badd, and it is not possible to edit the polls once you hit "enter".

I would NOT include Berger, as it is not widely distributed, and Berger bullets are used by a very small segment of the shooting population..
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#2713371 - 08/25/14 03:06 PM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: Hidalgo]
CatShooter Offline
PM senior

Registered: 01/24/02
Posts: 9094
Loc: The Socialist Republic of CT.
Originally Posted By: Hidalgo
The only problem I see (if you want to call it that) is that your answers are going to be influenced by folks that have only owned 1 of the choices. If a person always uses RCBS and has never used Redding or Lee, he would obviously vote for RCBS because he has no experience with anything else.

I don't know how you would fix that, though ...... huh

Or ....... is that what you are trying to find out?


There is some logic to that on the surface... but, people these days do a lot of research on the net, and usually have one or more friends that advise them - so they might not have used everything, there is weight to their opinion.

If you limit the poll to people that have used it all - you will get three answers.

So far, the results are reflecting other sources I have access to.

Sorry for leaving out one or two things - I can't tell you how much time it took to get this one done (after two other efforts that were deleted))... the poll program is very user unfriendly.

This last one (after getting training on the first two) took almost an hour and a half to get right.
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#2713484 - 08/25/14 08:43 PM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: CatShooter]
venatic Offline
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Registered: 06/11/03
Posts: 6990
Loc: In the right lane
I am already seeing some surprising results. Who would have thought the folks who have brought out 49 reloading manuals about twice as many as the rest would have received as many votes for worst manual??? confused Hodgdon has to be doing so well in the polling due to their excellent website manual I am guessing.
Just to give Nosler some love I have never cared much for their manuals until this recent one came out and it has quickly become one of my favorites.


Edited by venatic (08/25/14 08:44 PM)
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#2713582 - 08/26/14 12:28 AM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: CatShooter]
C.Jay Offline
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Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 1131
Loc: Montana
Regardless of the problems setting up this poll, thank you for your time and effort, it is very educational and makes me glad that I listened to me dear old dad in the early years, you would have liked him!!!

Originally Posted By: CatShooter
Originally Posted By: Hidalgo
The only problem I see (if you want to call it that) is that your answers are going to be influenced by folks that have only owned 1 of the choices. If a person always uses RCBS and has never used Redding or Lee, he would obviously vote for RCBS because he has no experience with anything else.

I don't know how you would fix that, though ...... huh

Or ....... is that what you are trying to find out?


There is some logic to that on the surface... but, people these days do a lot of research on the net, and usually have one or more friends that advise them - so they might not have used everything, there is weight to their opinion.

If you limit the poll to people that have used it all - you will get three answers.

So far, the results are reflecting other sources I have access to.

Sorry for leaving out one or two things - I can't tell you how much time it took to get this one done (after two other efforts that were deleted))... the poll program is very user unfriendly.

This last one (after getting training on the first two) took almost an hour and a half to get right.

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#2713583 - 08/26/14 12:29 AM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: NorTex250]
berger-king Offline
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Registered: 08/29/11
Posts: 539
Loc: califorina
Originally Posted By: NorTex250
I think if you dont have enough experience to truly have an opinion on one of the questions you just shouldn't submit an answer for that question. It doesn't say anywhere you have to answer them all.

I left three unanswered.


i left one blank 2...
should have had other for dies i really like c&h dies...
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#2713636 - 08/26/14 08:47 AM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: berger-king]
CatShooter Offline
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Registered: 01/24/02
Posts: 9094
Loc: The Socialist Republic of CT.
Originally Posted By: berger-king

i left one blank 2...
should have had other for dies i really like c&h dies...



Lookie... there are a tons of die makers, and people will always want to know why I left out some die maker in Pennsylvania, who works at the post office during the week, but makes outstanding, winning benchrest dies on Sunday, after he gets back from church.

There is a company that makes individual loading manuals for each caliber.

I got a PM and was chastised because I didn't include Harrells power measures. Gee, they make a whopping 5 a week.

My God, man where and when does it stop.

I Love CH - I have their HUMONGOUS 30 pound single station press as my main press (it will crush RockChucker like a ball of aluminum foil)...

... and I have their monster 4 station "H" press for loading at the range - but CH doesn't even advertise anywhere and 99 percent of shooters never heard of them... so they would show up at the bottom of the poll, when they do not deserve to be at the bottom... and then people would avoid them cuz...

"... and I didn't get a CH press cuz I saw this poll on PM and they came out at the bottom of the press and dies sections".

See what I'm talking about - when you design a poll, you have responsibility to the makers not to skew that data in any way that is unfair.



No poll can include everything.

First, it would take three weeks to set up the poll... and second, there would be so many choices that no one would complete it.

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#2713644 - 08/26/14 09:09 AM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: CatShooter]
skb2706 Offline
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Registered: 10/31/03
Posts: 4884
Loc: Denver, Colorado
With that said Lee figured into the mix just about exactly the way I thought. Actually most categories came out about the way I thought.

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#2713733 - 08/26/14 01:21 PM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: CatShooter]
Dog_Sniper Offline
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Registered: 01/19/14
Posts: 411
Loc: s.e.kansas
I answered to the best of my ability and knowledge I left several blank because I felt unqualified to choose hope it helps
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#2714224 - 08/27/14 04:44 PM Re: Some cool polls for you guys - see what everybody likes and hates [Re: CatShooter]
Dogpopper Offline
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Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 1255
Loc: VPR
The customer service is a tough one. I've called Redding, Hornady, and RCBS. That being said they all were amazing going above and beyond. But Hornady's answering service made me choose them thumbup1

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