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#2612384 - 01/13/14 10:03 AM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
dog driller Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/08/12
Posts: 250
Loc: new england
Bait is working here the frozen pile is thawing and the yotes are coming in just at daylight, this seems to be my sweet spot for timing right now. 6:45 AM ole .243 barked loud and a coyote fell DRT. This is the second coyote this year and the second female in a couple weeks. Still have a good sized male around --- sorry no pics still can't find the camera .. may have to use the trail camera if this keeps up. Also we went out calling yesterday in a different location that we have never called before used e-caller and a "whabblin rabbit" second set we had one come in and were busted before we knew it was there...... great fun. It was our 9th set of the year and our first call in this year. Even though we didn't get a shot we were excited....it worked. With the snow leaving fast with the warmer temps and rain it is going to be tough night hunting here even with the full moon coming. good luck all!

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#2612494 - 01/13/14 12:43 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
Brownshoe Offline
New Member

Registered: 04/14/12
Posts: 6
Loc: NY
Hey guys,

Just thought I would throw up some pictures from my bait site. I was beginning to get discouraged but I'm finally starting to see some predators.
I have been using some cheap dog food wet and dry, along with table scraps and some freezer burned venison. It looks like they have taken it all except the dry food so i might give up on the dry food.
I dont post very much but i just wanted to say thank you for all the help!





and lastly...

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#2612520 - 01/13/14 01:15 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
jkruger Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/13/11
Posts: 295
Loc: western, ny
Hey thanks, doubleup. This one had a nice prime coat and was a decent size to. I had a bit of sewing to do because of exit, which is on the flip side. .223 with 55gr. sbt are not fox friendly.

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#2612620 - 01/13/14 04:01 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
dreamer Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 01/07/14
Posts: 27
Loc: mi.
After a fresh snow 2days ago I noticed coyote pee and poop 500 yds from bait. Took it and put it at bait as a confidence builder.no takers yet. Heard yotes howling a mile away or so last night so I know they are around.today I cut off 2x2's and removed sensor at one bait. We will see if the eagles and ravens will show now. 2days ago I created a new site 150 yds from original along a wooded area And have a sensor that does not stand out as much. We will see. Dreamer

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#2612751 - 01/13/14 06:56 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
dog driller Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/08/12
Posts: 250
Loc: new england
dreamer, i only have my camera at my site and they do not seem to mind it at all it is on a tree. the only extra stake i have in the ground is an old wooden hardwood dowel that i fasten rib cages to laying between the ribs so they can't drag it off. any time i have had metal near the bait or fastened to it they will not touch it. i have been having such good early morning and some daytime sightings -- family and camera-- that i have not gotten sensors, also lack of nightvision. the mueller scope that i thought would solve my problem has not ---- the scope works great but my eyes are having trouble focusing so I am thinking i need to ratchet up the power and get a much highter power magnification the camera has showed plenty of nightime opportunity but the only way i will be able to see them now is if i am in my shelter blind with the shotgun which i still want to do...soon. after getting this coyote this morning the big male is only one of the three that is left unless the camera tells me otherwise and some new girlfriends move in or the male get challenged by some other male. good luck

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#2612780 - 01/13/14 07:26 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
DoubleUp Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 12/18/10
Posts: 3446
Loc: USA
dd, most scopes will not benefit by increasing power above about 6 or 7 because the human eye is limited to about that power as far as letting light into the eye at night. As far as day time use have you focused the ocular to your eye to make the crosshairs sharp?
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#2612820 - 01/13/14 08:06 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
dog driller Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/08/12
Posts: 250
Loc: new england
doubleup, in daylight i have no problem making the target sharp. it is in early morning and early evening that i have the trouble. to try and remedy this and see if i can make it a little better, my old gun that i had the trouble with the scope all of the sudden shooting a foot high seems to be the scope failing. a friend has the exact same Tesco 3-9x32 which i did not know he had and he has the exact same problem. this is my deer gun and will put a new scope on it -- i was thinking about a redfield revolution 4-12X40 accurange might fit the bill and won't break the bank. it will be better than the old tasco and i can see if it will help at night and low light especially with the larger reticle. I don't want anything to big reticle wise. i have looked at these at a local sport shop and thought they were pretty nice. nice leupold warranty made in America. if you have any advise be glad to hear it. the old eyes aren't what they used to be ... the eye doctor says they still aren't bad..... i guess just not good enough for what i want.

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#2612825 - 01/13/14 08:10 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
dog driller Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/08/12
Posts: 250
Loc: new england
doubleup, the target is what i have trouble with not the crosshairs sorry i did not mention that

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#2612873 - 01/13/14 08:59 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
DoubleUp Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 12/18/10
Posts: 3446
Loc: USA
dd, how far you setting up from your bait? Does the lighted dot in the center of the Mueller not give you am aiming point so you can center the crosshair, or you just don't have enough light to see the animal?
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#2612889 - 01/13/14 09:11 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
dog driller Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/08/12
Posts: 250
Loc: new england
one site 185 yds. the other 143 yds. just not enough light -- so will the extra magnification in the redfield give me what i need? i originally got the mueller because the tasco cross hair was to fine and when i could see coyotes on the snow I could not see the crosshairs... so I do not shoot. with the mueller i can see the dot just fine but not enough magnification 2-7 .. I thought this would be enough because the old tasco was running around around 6 or 7 at night .... 8 or 9 to blurry. as stated in the low light the mueller does what it is supposed to do and is fun to shoot with.

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#2612904 - 01/13/14 09:25 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
6mm06 Offline
PM senior

Registered: 07/31/05
Posts: 8410
Loc: USA

Dog Driller, nice going on the DRT coyote.

As to seeing better with higher magnification, the more magnification you have the less light you will see, so you will need more light.

As to going night vision, the home-made job I am using is pretty darn good. The only problem might be an illuminator that would throw a bright beam at the distances you are shooting.

Question: Is it feasible to move the bait site a bit closer to your position?

Jkruger, nice going on the fox.

Deerslyr1, that's a good-looking area. Good luck with that.


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#2612937 - 01/13/14 09:54 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
dog driller Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/08/12
Posts: 250
Loc: new england
6mm06 -- thanks -- I tried moving pile closer but the crows have been covering me up this year and they are at any spot that has bait. when I open the window the closer crows will set off a chain reaction and scare the coyote off. I am little limited on how close I can move it. the 185 yd site is the honey hole. they have a lot of safety getting to it and gives me a great angle for a shot .... when I can see it! I can not use any kind of lighting where I am.... rely on moon, snow or being within shotgun range which I still need to do. if I can get the right conditions. shooting 2 females probably did not help the long term growth of the coyote population. I know as a deer hunter and other local deer hunters will be glad I did.

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#2612941 - 01/13/14 09:55 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
DoubleUp Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 12/18/10
Posts: 3446
Loc: USA
dd, are you allowed to use a light on your rifle where you're located? My bait site is 145 yds from my house, but I keep a light from my shop shining on it. The shop is about 60 yds from the bait site so I have enough light to shoot with just that. I'm shooting a CZ in 17 Rem on the bait site with a 4x16x50mm Mueller sport dot. I rarely turn on the dot to shoot. I also have a Coyote Light mounted on the Mueller. It is actually my calling light but when not using it on my 243 for calling I just attach it to my CZ. It will allow me to identify targets at over 250 yds. I only put it on the CZ just in case a coyote moves off the bait site lighting and I want to take a shot. I don't normally turn it on or need it, but have it just in case.

Actually I've killed most of the baited coyotes at about 85 yds. where my first bait site was located. I shot 16 at that location, and obviously the shooting is a lot easier, but I'm shooting from my house, and opening the window is not always completely silent. So I moved the site a little farther from the house to cut down on the risk of a coyote hearing the window open. Don't know if any of this explanation will help you, but you might pick up on something to try differently.
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#2612960 - 01/13/14 10:05 PM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
dog driller Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/08/12
Posts: 250
Loc: new england
no light allowed i suppose if it was attached to house it might be alright ... need to talk to game warden. i am not complaining as long as the coyotes keep showing up like they have, was just wanting to see if the 4-12 redfield revolution would help because I need to replace it on my dder gun anyway. thanks for the input

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#2613067 - 01/14/14 12:15 AM Re: Baiting [Re: Cougar Jim]
6mm06 Offline
PM senior

Registered: 07/31/05
Posts: 8410
Loc: USA

Dog Driller, does that also include an infrared light? I assume it does, meaning night vision would not be practical for you.

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