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#2432930 - 02/13/13 06:42 AM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: ridgerunner2]
bonecollector777 Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 10/09/12
Posts: 136
Loc: AZ
Give me a break Ridgerunner. Stop with the sob story like we're picking on you. You sound like a little kid. You're the one who posted a photo of a cat that you know is impossible to tell the value off of one picture and when a guy throws out a guess you get butt hurt. Keep your bobcats in Wyoming where you're getting such a great deal on everything you're selling. There will be hundreds of other cats at that sale and yours won't be missed by anyone.

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#2432973 - 02/13/13 08:27 AM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: bonecollector777]
ridgerunner2 Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 01/29/09
Posts: 597
Loc: Wyoming
Well then bonecollector777 why don't you come to wyoming and see me in person instead of trying to act tuff on the computer

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#2432976 - 02/13/13 08:32 AM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: DesertGhost]
ridgerunner2 Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 01/29/09
Posts: 597
Loc: Wyoming
By the way why would anyone want to send any cats to you guys to sell? Here is a reply I received from Desert Ghost:

There really isnt a commission. If you were to come down yourself and put fur in the sale, it costs you $20. thats it, whether you have 1 fur or 100, its $20. that goes to just cover the rental of the building.

I assume the fur is already put up and ready for sale. If you would like for me to take the fur up there to the sale for you, I can do that. Of course you would have to pay shipping to get to my house in Az. Im charging $10 to go towards my gas. that is probably the lowest you will find anywhere.

If the fur isnt already put up, I can do that as well. I use the Nevada stretch on all my bobcat pelts. I charge 40% of the sale price to put the fur up. It will have to be frozen solid, packed in a cooler of some kind (foam ones work fine) and covered with ice, shipped via next day or 3rd day in order to avoid any problems with the fur.

Let me know if you have any questions.

my cell number is *********
Airon


Edited by Yellowhammer (02/14/13 12:04 PM)
Edit Reason: requeested phone number removed

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#2433128 - 02/13/13 11:08 AM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: DesertGhost]
catcapper Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 12/21/05
Posts: 136
Loc: Westcliffe,CO.
I'm gonna interupt this little weiner fight for just a couple of mins.---then you guys can get back at it.lol.

The U.S. fur market is divided up into regions, and there is a reason for that.

With lots of guys think'in there gonna "cut the fat hog" cause they caught and skinned a cat and its worth $1000.00, some could be in for a suprize. The majority of top money cats are been'in taken on the west side of the "Big River'.

The post says there are hides com'in from Virgina and maybe some other eastern states. How does a fella think an eastern hide is gonna stand up along side a western heavy. Fur graders and buyers at these auction houses aren't stupid. Most eastern hides along side a western will most probably look like crap. They'll probably grade flat, and could have brought more money if they had been sold in their own region.

Its hard to sell an ugly skinny chicken as a nice fat goose.

Hope some of this info helps some folks out.

I know from 30 years of deal'in in the fur market--- Sometimes your the windshield--- sometimes your the bug.lol.

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#2433679 - 02/13/13 08:01 PM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: catcapper]
DesertGhost Offline
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Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 126
Originally Posted By: ridgerunner2
By the way why would anyone want to send any cats to you guys to sell? Here is a reply I received from Desert Ghost:

There really isnt a commission. If you were to come down yourself and put fur in the sale, it costs you $20. thats it, whether you have 1 fur or 100, its $20. that goes to just cover the rental of the building.

I assume the fur is already put up and ready for sale. If you would like for me to take the fur up there to the sale for you, I can do that. Of course you would have to pay shipping to get to my house in Az. Im charging $10 to go towards my gas. that is probably the lowest you will find anywhere.

If the fur isnt already put up, I can do that as well. I use the Nevada stretch on all my bobcat pelts. I charge 40% of the sale price to put the fur up. It will have to be frozen solid, packed in a cooler of some kind (foam ones work fine) and covered with ice, shipped via next day or 3rd day in order to avoid any problems with the fur.


Im not really sure what you mean as to why you wouldnt want to send fur out this way to get into the sale. You asked about the commission at the sale. THERE ISNT A "COMMISSION". The cost to get in the door is $20, and you have to have fur to sell. the $20 is only to cover the renting of the building. Plain and Simple! the idea the guy has behind this sale is to get as much money into the trappers hands as possible. there isnt any real overhead, so why charge a commission?

If you are referring to the second part of my response where I talk about putting the fur up FOR YOU, and taking 40% of the sale price. Well, lets see. . . there is more often a lot more time put into the fur put up than the actual harvesting of the animal. and yet I am taking less than half of the money generated for doing most of the work. I think thats a pretty fair offer.

I want you to clarify what you mean by your statement "By the way why would anyone want to send any cats to you guys to sell?" Im trying to be pretty upfront and answer any questions for folks who might be new to selling fur and/or dont know the proper fur put up on bobcats. Im simply giving an alternative to selling the fur. If a guy has a place to sell the fur, good for them. If they want to take the opportunity to sell their fur at this sale, great, thats all im offering.


Originally Posted By: catcapper
With lots of guys think'in there gonna "cut the fat hog" cause they caught and skinned a cat and its worth $1000.00, some could be in for a suprize. The majority of top money cats are been'in taken on the west side of the "Big River'.

The post says there are hides com'in from Virgina and maybe some other eastern states. How does a fella think an eastern hide is gonna stand up along side a western heavy. Fur graders and buyers at these auction houses aren't stupid. Most eastern hides along side a western will most probably look like crap. They'll probably grade flat, and could have brought more money if they had been sold in their own region.


Yes you are correct, those cast east of the river arent going to bring $1k. This is just another opportunity for them to sell the fur, with a chance / the possibility to get a little more for it.

As for the ones coming from a guy in Virginia, he figured it was worth a shot at this sale, rather than getting only $80 for a nice looking 44 inch cat.


Edited by DesertGhost (02/13/13 08:25 PM)

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#2433711 - 02/13/13 08:29 PM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: DesertGhost]
DesertGhost Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 126
catcapper,

Id like your opinion on this cat

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#2433744 - 02/13/13 08:54 PM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: DesertGhost]
ridgerunner2 Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 01/29/09
Posts: 597
Loc: Wyoming
The cat dosen't look like a heavy western cat so with out knowing where it is from it would be really hard to give a price.


Edited by ridgerunner2 (02/13/13 09:15 PM)

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#2433777 - 02/13/13 09:12 PM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: DesertGhost]
DesertGhost Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 126
This picture was sent to me by a guy who is interested in getting it into the sale to see what he can get for it. Im not going to say where the cat was caught because he hasnt committed it to the sale yet. As for the put up, i dont know how many he puts up or if this is his first year. Im not goikg to critique his put up until i get my hands on it and can take pictures to show what he can do different. With that said, lets hear the opinion on the cat. See if someone can get close to it geographic location. Im curious how some think this cat would grade, and how much it should bring. Cause apparently im in need of some better estimating fur value skills. . . Not trying be rude or anything else, just trying to get better.

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#2433891 - 02/13/13 10:15 PM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: DesertGhost]
Mason_Jarr Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 02/03/03
Posts: 1140
Loc: Southern Idaho
I'd say it came out of the central region, Kansas or Nebraska maybe. The belly is narrow and the transition is extreme (no blending). Put up will affect the price and it looks like he put it on a fox board. We call that a snake here in Idaho (long and skinny). Definitely needs to be cleaned and fluffed with Borax. As it sits right now, that cat would be lucky to bring $200, however there are things we can't see that also will affect the price. What does the back look like? How long is it? What's the fur density like, etc. Hard to judge any fur from a picture.
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#2433949 - 02/13/13 10:43 PM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: Mason_Jarr]
DesertGhost Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 126
Originally Posted By: Mason_Jarr
however there are things we can't see that also will affect the price. What does the back look like? How long is it? What's the fur density like, etc. Hard to judge any fur from a picture.


Yes, i completely agree with this statement. In the other picture the back fur looks okay as well, for being a picture. . .

All of the furs will get a minimum of 2 dry washes before they will go to the sale.

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#2434222 - 02/14/13 07:21 AM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: DesertGhost]
DesertGhost Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 126
Originally Posted By: ridgerunner2
The cat dosen't look like a heavy western cat so with out knowing where it is from it would be really hard to give a price.


and now I see why you got all upset when I gave you a conservative estimate on the picture that you posted. Cause you cant use a picture to get a really good estimate of value without anything but a picture. . . . progress, this is good.

however,I would like you to stop editing your previous posts (namely the one that is quoted here - now changed twice) about the cat picture and just add your new comments to the list so everyone can see them. It is kind of backwards and cheap to completely change your initial responses to something a little more middle of the road and patsy.

edited: for spelling


Edited by DesertGhost (02/14/13 07:28 AM)

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#2434287 - 02/14/13 09:21 AM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: DesertGhost]
ridgerunner2 Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 01/29/09
Posts: 597
Loc: Wyoming
The thing is you knew where I was from as my location states wyoming.

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#2434391 - 02/14/13 11:24 AM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: ridgerunner2]
DesertGhost Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 126
Originally Posted By: ridgerunner2
The thing is you knew where I was from as my location states wyoming.


just because you are from Wyoming, doesnt mean that cat in the pictures was in fact taken in Wyoming. there are pictures posted on the internet all the time that arent in the area that the person who posted them lives. there was no description attached to the picture as to the information about the cat. There was no way to tell where the cat came from.


Now back to the original topic at hand . . . .

If anyone else has any questions or would like to get their bobcat pelts into the sale, please let me know.

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#2434431 - 02/14/13 12:05 PM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: DesertGhost]
Yellowhammer Offline
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Registered: 02/07/02
Posts: 16589
Loc: Huntington, Texas
Guys,

Please do not use the forum for a pissing contest. If you think I am talking to you, I am.
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#2434508 - 02/14/13 01:08 PM Re: High bobcat prices. Anyone who wants to take advantage of them..... [Re: Yellowhammer]
phutch30 Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 08/18/10
Posts: 540
Loc: MT
To me the cat doesnt look like the fur is that hvy and maybe its the pic, but it looks like he stretched it pretty narrow in an attempt to gain length. If I had to put a location, I would also go with central. The belly is really clear compared to most east/SE cats. Its well marked though.

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