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#2423642 - 02/05/13 11:17 AM When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up?
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With the recent panic buys, all types of firearms (long guns, handguns, etc), ammo, and accessories are in short supply or completely sold out.

What is your opinion on how long before the supply chains catch up and the inventories start to come back and prices start to go back down? How long did it take for items to replenish and prices to stabilize after the last panic buy?

I'm making the assumption no significant gun control measures get passed....If for some reason something does get passed I fear the supply chains will never catch up or prices never come back down...
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#2423649 - 02/05/13 11:21 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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#2423657 - 02/05/13 11:31 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: Widow maker 223]
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I'm with widowmaker. Fall of this year. Nothing crazy is gonna get passed. Obama is finished in 4 years. The Senators and Congress want their jobs for life. The last "assault ban" resulted in a bunch Dems loosing their jobs. Not all Democrats are gun grabbing idiots like Fienstein and Obama. There are a lot of voters between the coasts in this country.
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#2423665 - 02/05/13 11:38 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: Mr Potato Head]
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Soon, I think. I just heard on the radio, that firearms sales are falling and on the way back to normal (source is background check numbers).

I think people have figured out that nothing is going to happen in Washington.

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#2423690 - 02/05/13 11:54 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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One large dealer that I know said the reason that the number of NICS checks is down is due to the fact that most gun shops have little or next to nothing to sell - hence fewer NICS checks.

Another relatively large dealer I know closed his shop the last week of January and went duck hunting because he had no ammunition to speak of and his gun inventory was diminished to the almost extinct point. First vacation he'd had in 12 years. And he is not a small "mom & pop" dealer.

I agree that little or next to nothing will happen in DC, but this time the scare was far bigger than it was four years ago. It will take a few months for supply to catch up to the demand of the past couple of months created by Obama's re-election and then the school shooting.

Immediately after the school shooting there was a huge spike in gun and ammo sales.
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#2423708 - 02/05/13 12:15 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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Shops around here are picked bare of anything popular and nothing to order. Next surge will be when tax returns start coming in.

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#2423721 - 02/05/13 12:27 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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Thanks for the replies. Most shops around here are pretty thin on iventory. 9mm, 5.56, .223 are non existent. 40 S&W and 45 ACP are low or out of stock at most places. AR's and AK's are out of stock, and concealed carry pistols are in extremely short supply.

I would think manufacturers are going full tilt trying to produce things, but I'm sure there are things in the supply chain holding it up...steel, plastics, or any raw material...or smaller single source vendors that can't keep up w/ the huge demand from the manufacturers...could be anything and is likely many things.

I check galleryofguns.com every day and do searches just to see what semi auto pistols they have in stock..for awhile there was zero inventory...now I'm staring to see some inventory pop up, but some of it is ridiculously priced. The other day they had some Walther PPS 9mm's in stock (with the factory installed night sights)..the quotes that I got back were over $800 for that little single stack 9mm pistol! (Granted, it's a sweet pistol...but not $800 sweet!)...and they did sell out in a matter of minutes...
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#2423740 - 02/05/13 12:50 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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Yep sales will slow, when there is nothing to sell.
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#2423754 - 02/05/13 01:07 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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Lol do yall really believe there's a shortage? Ammuntion and gun manufacturers have warehouses full of goods. They are gonna hang on to them til they see if they can sale for a higher profit.

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#2423761 - 02/05/13 01:12 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: cawilson82]
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Originally Posted By: cawilson82
Lol do yall really believe there's a shortage? Ammuntion and gun manufacturers have warehouses full of goods. They are gonna hang on to them til they see if they can sale for a higher profit.


They stall sales for more profit, can't say I believe that. Maybe the wholesale guys,but not the manufaturers.
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#2423766 - 02/05/13 01:17 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: cawilson82]
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Originally Posted By: cawilson82
Lol do yall really believe there's a shortage? Ammuntion and gun manufacturers have warehouses full of goods. They are gonna hang on to them til they see if they can sale for a higher profit.


If that is the case, how come the price on the wholesale market hasn't gone up?

Manufacturers are producing a lot of guns and ammo, and the dealers are selling it as fast as it comes in, that's all there is to it. No secret warehouses, and they wouldn't have to wait to sell it for more, if they upped the price now they would still sell through it all.
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#2423768 - 02/05/13 01:18 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: Tim Neitzke]
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Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke
Originally Posted By: cawilson82

Lol do yall really believe there's a shortage? Ammuntion and gun manufacturers have warehouses full of goods. They are gonna hang on to them til they see if they can sale for a higher profit.



They stall sales for more profit, can't say I believe that. Maybe the wholesale guys, but not the manufaturers.



That would require a massive conspiracy among wholesalers (and black helicopters everywhere) lol


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#2423779 - 02/05/13 01:29 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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#2423822 - 02/05/13 02:14 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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With AR's we saw smart guys and shall we say less than smart, the smart guys were selling when the selling was good.

I told my neighbor who is financially struggling to sell his AR while the prices were high, and get another quality one later when the prices settle back.

The guys who own small local shops are all talking about the market being driven by idiots, and laughing all the way to the bank. They say Obama has been the best thing for business since guns.

Before the election one was saying as much as he hated Obama he'd be good for business if he won. Obama winning the first election pretty much saved his business, he was sinking and about to go under prior to that.

Dems are letting the AR ban provision go in order to get background checks and straw purchases tightened.
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#2423838 - 02/05/13 02:28 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: woodguru]
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Originally Posted By: woodguru
With AR's we saw smart guys and shall we say less than smart, the smart guys were selling when the selling was good.

I told my neighbor who is financially struggling to sell his AR while the prices were high, and get another quality one later when the prices settle back.

The guys who own small local shops are all talking about the market being driven by idiots, and laughing all the way to the bank. They say Obama has been the best thing for business since guns.

Before the election one was saying as much as he hated Obama he'd be good for business if he won. Obama winning the first election pretty much saved his business, he was sinking and about to go under prior to that.

Dems are letting the AR ban provision go in order to get background checks and straw purchases tightened.


I think the background check might fly if it didn't make a list of who has what - maybe a national firearms card (good in all 57 states), or just a NCIS check that says that it is OK to sell, but did not include what or even "if" there was a true sale... but we know what the real purpose is for the checks is, so I think it won't fly in it's present version.

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#2423840 - 02/05/13 02:29 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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So true on the AR sales...I couldn't believe what some of my friends were paying for them...

I had been looking to buy a new single stack 'micro' sized 9mm pistol but then all this crap hit and the supply of those dried up, and the prices of those left went up...

I guess I will just wait a few months and hope that I can find the make/models that I was interested in.

Heck, maybe I should sell of my full sized Glocks right now at a 'premium' to finance it :-)
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#2423847 - 02/05/13 02:37 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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Prices are coming down. I think when the prices hit a certain level, people who didn't own things( ar's, ammo, etc.) before the hype will begin to regret their purchases and dump them. I bet AR's will be in the $600-$700 by summer.
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#2423941 - 02/05/13 04:41 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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It will be years before ARs are back to $600 -$700. Just my 2 cents.
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#2424006 - 02/05/13 05:46 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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Assuming another mass-shooting doesn't hit the reset button and start the whole panic over, I think the next 2-3 months will see things improve.

One thing that has to be kept in mind is that most manufacturers can't increase production in any significant way without making large-scale changes. Since they all know that this is a temporary panic-induced situation, nobody is going to go out and build a new plant to try to meet this spike in demand. Supply will catch up with demand because the demand is going to go down, not because massive new supplies will hit the market.

I think we hit the bottom-out point about the last 2 weeks in January when nobody had anything in stock. That's going to cool off the panic buyers because there's nothing left to buy and no ammo to shoot in it if you do buy it.

It won't all get better overnight. The shelves will just slowly start to fill up again.

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#2424155 - 02/05/13 08:17 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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I hope very soon

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#2424269 - 02/05/13 09:29 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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I remember the 94 ban. I did gun shows from 93-95. This is far worse. We had shortages before even talk of a ban. Just remember not to get caught with your pants down again.
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#2424583 - 02/06/13 04:14 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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With people charging and getting $20 for rcbs cartridge holders for reloading presses on fleaBay, I think we have a way to go yet. This will slow down when people run out of money.

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#2424592 - 02/06/13 05:44 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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IMO the panic buying is not going to slow down until the talk of new gun regulations die down. Even if it all blows over this time, it won't be the last. The next mass shooting will get the media fired up and it will all happen again.
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#2424595 - 02/06/13 06:17 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: woodguru]
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Originally Posted By: woodguru
With AR's we saw smart guys and shall we say less than smart, the smart guys were selling when the selling was good.

The guys who own small local shops are all talking about the market being driven by idiots, and laughing all the way to the bank. They say Obama has been the best thing for business since guns.



You can even see it on here with people looking to find an AR. This isn't the time to buy one. But these people want one at the highest price they can pay.

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#2424715 - 02/06/13 09:51 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: cawilson82]
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Do you happen to know where these "warehouses full of goods" are? Do you really believe that there are warehouses full of guns and ammo but they are not selling them during a boom because they are waiting for prices to go up even further?
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#2424786 - 02/06/13 11:09 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: coyote killa]
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I did talk to a guy at Dick's recently and he said all the AR's they pulled a couple of days after the CT tragedy went down are still in the back of the stores. They had hundreds at stores around here.

What their motivation is I don't know. Being politically correct originally maybe. Once the bean counters see they can more than double their money it may change their business minds.

I'm guessing they are not going to send them back to the distributor at the original price. Nor will they drop them off to be destroyed. I do believe the ammo shortage is real. Companies are only geared up to make so much. Brass as a commodity is probably sky high.

The whole ridiculous zombie crap already had non gun types buying up AR's and .223. Unfortunately the planets were aligned for the Obamanation exploitation of a tragedy. Those of us involved in the shooting sports for years are taking it on the chin for it. The newbies will come and go. I'm guessing (hoping) we'll see a bunch of like new AR's for sale at gun shows this fall.
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#2424798 - 02/06/13 11:19 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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Do you really believe that there are warehouses full of guns and ammo but they are not selling them during a boom because they are waiting for prices to go up even further?
....I'd have to say "No"...With the contracts that DHS, FEMA, and other government agencies have been obtaining and the information being put out by those in the industry with supply problems, the probability is pretty low...

I do know that when my old Police Department had to look for training/qualification ammo, they had to do a lot of looking and piecing together enough orders from various places to meet their demands...And, they are usually on a 'priority' basis with many of their suppliers...

I have no doubt that there may be some retailers that have a limited supply available and they are prone to the laws of supply and demand, but knowing that once their supplies are gone, it may be awhile before they can replenish them...

Until there are definite decisions made on exactly what is happening with bans and other limitations, you will find it hard to obtain most of anything involving shooting...Those that 'have' need to ration their own use for the next foreseeable future...

I know that since before the last elections, I've been adopting the practice of being very frugal with my shooting activities and hanging onto most components that I think I might need...
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#2424814 - 02/06/13 11:44 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: woodguru]
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Originally Posted By: woodguru
With AR's we saw smart guys and shall we say less than smart, the smart guys were selling when the selling was good.

I told my neighbor who is financially struggling to sell his AR while the prices were high, and get another quality one later when the prices settle back.

The guys who own small local shops are all talking about the market being driven by idiots, and laughing all the way to the bank. They say Obama has been the best thing for business since guns.

Before the election one was saying as much as he hated Obama he'd be good for business if he won. Obama winning the first election pretty much saved his business, he was sinking and about to go under prior to that.

Dems are letting the AR ban provision go in order to get background checks and straw purchases tightened.


Totally agree, the market is being driven by idiots and there will be a selloff as soon as many of these Chicken Littles are forced to sell because they overpaid for toys they couldn't afford.

I find it ironic that gun dealers of any kind hate Obama. As compared to whom? Mitt Romney? The former governor of Massachusetts, the second most anti-gun state in the union? Compared to the chauffeur-driven, investment banker Romney, Obama looks positively pro-gun.

If you want more pro-gun presidents, tell the NRA to stop blindly handing out good ratings just to candidates who have "Republican" behind their name. Romney did almost nothing to roll back MA's draconian anti-gun laws while he was in charge, yet everybody believes he was the pro-2nd ammendment candidate? Most of the democrats that challenged Obama in the 08 race were more pro-gun than RoboCandidate Romney.

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#2424817 - 02/06/13 11:47 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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I too really doubt that retailers are stockpiling. Our local Police stated they are scrounging for training ammo. Locals shops sell out as soon as stock hits the shelves. I know of local competitive shooters who are wondering if they can compete in upcoming matches due to shortages. It(ammo) just cannot be produced fast enough IMHO.

I just stopped target practice for the most part until I can see a reasonable supply stream become availible. Many advid shooters I know are doing the same. Most are buying when it becomes availible then sitting on it.

Once the market completely saturates, and legislation tapers off, then supply will begin to increase, sales will stagnate and we will return to a level of normalcy somewhat. I say somewhat because the market has shown what folks have willfully paid. Therefore a market price level has been set on the high side. We are unlikely to see prices as low as we once saw, the public has decided that.

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#2424840 - 02/06/13 12:13 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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I got in on some of Graf's last primers and I'm set on the rest of my components. I anxiously await the summer/fall sell off to pick up a proper "personal defense weapon." I'm thinking an AK so I can shoot cast in it a little easier than an AR.
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#2424849 - 02/06/13 12:21 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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I think the cool down will happen, but will heat up once again around the 2014 mid-terms. If the house is loss there will be a weapons ban put in place. While the previous poster was correct that shops cannot afford to re-tool they are switching priority to AR's and ar parts. This switch is also driving the prices of non ar firearms UP, because they are getting harder to find. I suggest we introduce as many non hunters/shooters as we can to our passion. Most of the gun haters I have run into, have never shot a gun, after they do the topic never comes back up. RW
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#2424858 - 02/06/13 12:29 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: The Famous Grouse]
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Originally Posted By: The Famous Grouse
Originally Posted By: woodguru
With AR's we saw smart guys and shall we say less than smart, the smart guys were selling when the selling was good.

I told my neighbor who is financially struggling to sell his AR while the prices were high, and get another quality one later when the prices settle back.

The guys who own small local shops are all talking about the market being driven by idiots, and laughing all the way to the bank. They say Obama has been the best thing for business since guns.

Before the election one was saying as much as he hated Obama he'd be good for business if he won. Obama winning the first election pretty much saved his business, he was sinking and about to go under prior to that.

Dems are letting the AR ban provision go in order to get background checks and straw purchases tightened.


Totally agree, the market is being driven by idiots and there will be a selloff as soon as many of these Chicken Littles are forced to sell because they overpaid for toys they couldn't afford.

I find it ironic that gun dealers of any kind hate Obama. As compared to whom? Mitt Romney? The former governor of Massachusetts, the second most anti-gun state in the union? Compared to the chauffeur-driven, investment banker Romney, Obama looks positively pro-gun.

If you want more pro-gun presidents, tell the NRA to stop blindly handing out good ratings just to candidates who have "Republican" behind their name. Romney did almost nothing to roll back MA's draconian anti-gun laws while he was in charge, yet everybody believes he was the pro-2nd ammendment candidate? Most of the democrats that challenged Obama in the 08 race were more pro-gun than RoboCandidate Romney.

Grouse


That is some phuny and ill-informed chit right there.

First off, I doubt that "gun dealers of any kind" are all Republicans who by your definition all "hate Obama".

Secondly, the NRA gave/gives passing grades to pro-gun candidates no matter what their party affiliation is. As an example, Harry Reid (Mr. Presidential knee pads himself) got an "A" endorsement from the NRA in the last elections for his pro-gun views. I'm not saying he deserved it as he'd likely sell his mother to Obama if he thinks he can get ahead politically as the winds shift, but he got one none the less.

If you're going to pontificate, at least try to be fairly accurate with your sermon. BTW - so you don't speculate about me in an online sermon, I'm a very conservative Republican but have good gun friends who are Democrats. Most of them didn't vote for Obama either.
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#2424873 - 02/06/13 12:51 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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As for distributors, etc. hoarding, that is not happening. As for the black helicopters, they are not flying right now as they don't have any ammo to train/invade with.

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#2424888 - 02/06/13 01:10 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: Winny Fan]
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Originally Posted By: Winny Fan
Originally Posted By: The Famous Grouse
Originally Posted By: woodguru
With AR's we saw smart guys and shall we say less than smart, the smart guys were selling when the selling was good.

I told my neighbor who is financially struggling to sell his AR while the prices were high, and get another quality one later when the prices settle back.

The guys who own small local shops are all talking about the market being driven by idiots, and laughing all the way to the bank. They say Obama has been the best thing for business since guns.

Before the election one was saying as much as he hated Obama he'd be good for business if he won. Obama winning the first election pretty much saved his business, he was sinking and about to go under prior to that.

Dems are letting the AR ban provision go in order to get background checks and straw purchases tightened.


Totally agree, the market is being driven by idiots and there will be a selloff as soon as many of these Chicken Littles are forced to sell because they overpaid for toys they couldn't afford.

I find it ironic that gun dealers of any kind hate Obama. As compared to whom? Mitt Romney? The former governor of Massachusetts, the second most anti-gun state in the union? Compared to the chauffeur-driven, investment banker Romney, Obama looks positively pro-gun.

If you want more pro-gun presidents, tell the NRA to stop blindly handing out good ratings just to candidates who have "Republican" behind their name. Romney did almost nothing to roll back MA's draconian anti-gun laws while he was in charge, yet everybody believes he was the pro-2nd ammendment candidate? Most of the democrats that challenged Obama in the 08 race were more pro-gun than RoboCandidate Romney.

Grouse


That is some phuny and ill-informed chit right there.

First off, I doubt that "gun dealers of any kind" are all Republicans who by your definition all "hate Obama".

Secondly, the NRA gave/gives passing grades to pro-gun candidates no matter what their party affiliation is. As an example, Harry Reid (Mr. Presidential knee pads himself) got an "A" endorsement from the NRA in the last elections for his pro-gun views. I'm not saying he deserved it as he'd likely sell his mother to Obama if he thinks he can get ahead politically as the winds shift, but he got one none the less.

If you're going to pontificate, at least try to be fairly accurate with your sermon. BTW - so you don't speculate about me in an online sermon, I'm a very conservative Republican but have good gun friends who are Democrats. Most of them didn't vote for Obama either.


You can believe whatever you want but that will never make it fact, the one gun store owner I'm talking about organizes and hold teaparty meetings, there are teaparty posters on the fence next to his gunstore. I'm almost positive he hates Obama and I've heard him use those words.

You are talking about an area you know nothing about, it's an area, a county, that is so heavily republican that if a gun store owner were democrat they would never think of openly admitting it. lol

The difference here is that I'm talking about an area I live in and store owners I know, that to be concise is an informed call. While you on the other hand are talking crap about me who's talking about an area and people you know nothing about, that is the definition of ill informed, some would say highly ignorant, others might even go so far as to say... nevermind, you get the picture.
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#2424890 - 02/06/13 01:14 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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It's all over you should just send me your ammo and guns

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#2424902 - 02/06/13 01:27 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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I think that it will catch up about 3-4 months after they vote, or drop it.
I really don't think they are going to vote for it since Gov NY's approval dropped 16pts after doing what they did. No Congressman is going to risk that kind of approval drop.
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#2424939 - 02/06/13 02:07 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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The gun debate is loosing steam really fast. Check out YouTube. You'll see libtards on there complaining that nothing is going to get passed. Why do you think Obama is on a anti gun road trip? Because he's loosing the debate. Here is an email I got a few days ago. Not sure if its all true but it seems right.


This is from my former Lt./Capt. Dan Guenther (USMC) from RVN, also author of "China Wind" and others.

Status of gun industry
Doug Ross has several important info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed by an inventory update. We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning the shortages, here's what we were told.
Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.
RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.
FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed out!
Armalite: Maxed out.
DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.
COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.
LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.
Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.
AMMO: Every caliber is now allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible with 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by law enforcement, and civilians are third in line.
MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.
RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted.
Bow Owens says they didn’t know when they’d be getting anything back in stock, from magazines to rifles to pistols. Manufacturers were running full-bore, but couldn’t come close to keeping up with market demand. It wasn’t just the AR-15s, the AK-pattern rifles, the M1As, and the FALs that were sold out. It really hit me when I realized that the World War-era M1 Garands, M1 carbines, and Enfield .303s were gone, along with every last shell. Ubiquitous Mosin-Nagants -- of which every gun store always seems to have 10-20 -- were gone. So was their ammo. Only a dust free space marked their passing. I’ve never seen anything like it.
Every weapon of military utility designed within the past 100+ years was gone. This isn’t a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war.
Barack Obama, Dianne Feinstein and the rest of the Statists have done more to promote gun ownership than the NRA ever did. Well done, Democrats!

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#2424942 - 02/06/13 02:11 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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Great post on the status of the industry !
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#2424958 - 02/06/13 02:20 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: woodguru]
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Originally Posted By: woodguru
Originally Posted By: Winny Fan
Originally Posted By: The Famous Grouse
Originally Posted By: woodguru
With AR's we saw smart guys and shall we say less than smart, the smart guys were selling when the selling was good.

I told my neighbor who is financially struggling to sell his AR while the prices were high, and get another quality one later when the prices settle back.

The guys who own small local shops are all talking about the market being driven by idiots, and laughing all the way to the bank. They say Obama has been the best thing for business since guns.

Before the election one was saying as much as he hated Obama he'd be good for business if he won. Obama winning the first election pretty much saved his business, he was sinking and about to go under prior to that.

Dems are letting the AR ban provision go in order to get background checks and straw purchases tightened.


Totally agree, the market is being driven by idiots and there will be a selloff as soon as many of these Chicken Littles are forced to sell because they overpaid for toys they couldn't afford.

I find it ironic that gun dealers of any kind hate Obama. As compared to whom? Mitt Romney? The former governor of Massachusetts, the second most anti-gun state in the union? Compared to the chauffeur-driven, investment banker Romney, Obama looks positively pro-gun.

If you want more pro-gun presidents, tell the NRA to stop blindly handing out good ratings just to candidates who have "Republican" behind their name. Romney did almost nothing to roll back MA's draconian anti-gun laws while he was in charge, yet everybody believes he was the pro-2nd ammendment candidate? Most of the democrats that challenged Obama in the 08 race were more pro-gun than RoboCandidate Romney.

Grouse


That is some phuny and ill-informed chit right there.

First off, I doubt that "gun dealers of any kind" are all Republicans who by your definition all "hate Obama".

Secondly, the NRA gave/gives passing grades to pro-gun candidates no matter what their party affiliation is. As an example, Harry Reid (Mr. Presidential knee pads himself) got an "A" endorsement from the NRA in the last elections for his pro-gun views. I'm not saying he deserved it as he'd likely sell his mother to Obama if he thinks he can get ahead politically as the winds shift, but he got one none the less.

If you're going to pontificate, at least try to be fairly accurate with your sermon. BTW - so you don't speculate about me in an online sermon, I'm a very conservative Republican but have good gun friends who are Democrats. Most of them didn't vote for Obama either.


You can believe whatever you want but that will never make it fact, the one gun store owner I'm talking about organizes and hold teaparty meetings, there are teaparty posters on the fence next to his gunstore. I'm almost positive he hates Obama and I've heard him use those words.

You are talking about an area you know nothing about, it's an area, a county, that is so heavily republican that if a gun store owner were democrat they would never think of openly admitting it. lol

The difference here is that I'm talking about an area I live in and store owners I know, that to be concise is an informed call. While you on the other hand are talking crap about me who's talking about an area and people you know nothing about, that is the definition of ill informed, some would say highly ignorant, others might even go so far as to say... nevermind, you get the picture.


First off.......... Please notice how all quotes are included here. Yours, the Grouse's, and mine are all included. That's how the forum works.

Second......... I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to and quoted the Talking Grouse, and in that perspective, what he said was phuny and totally incorrect.

As for you, I could care less where you live. Move if you don't like what's happening around you. And don't take yourself so seriously.

Get a grip on reality, dude. You are not the center of the universe just because you have a key board and found PM. Wow...........
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#2424982 - 02/06/13 02:48 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: Winny Fan]
Mike B Offline
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Registered: 01/31/02
Posts: 1880
Loc: Berrysburg, PA
Originally Posted By: Winny Fan
Originally Posted By: The Famous Grouse
Originally Posted By: woodguru
With AR's we saw smart guys and shall we say less than smart, the smart guys were selling when the selling was good.

I told my neighbor who is financially struggling to sell his AR while the prices were high, and get another quality one later when the prices settle back.

The guys who own small local shops are all talking about the market being driven by idiots, and laughing all the way to the bank. They say Obama has been the best thing for business since guns.

Before the election one was saying as much as he hated Obama he'd be good for business if he won. Obama winning the first election pretty much saved his business, he was sinking and about to go under prior to that.

Dems are letting the AR ban provision go in order to get background checks and straw purchases tightened.


Totally agree, the market is being driven by idiots and there will be a selloff as soon as many of these Chicken Littles are forced to sell because they overpaid for toys they couldn't afford.

I find it ironic that gun dealers of any kind hate Obama. As compared to whom? Mitt Romney? The former governor of Massachusetts, the second most anti-gun state in the union? Compared to the chauffeur-driven, investment banker Romney, Obama looks positively pro-gun.

If you want more pro-gun presidents, tell the NRA to stop blindly handing out good ratings just to candidates who have "Republican" behind their name. Romney did almost nothing to roll back MA's draconian anti-gun laws while he was in charge, yet everybody believes he was the pro-2nd ammendment candidate? Most of the democrats that challenged Obama in the 08 race were more pro-gun than RoboCandidate Romney.

Grouse


That is some phuny and ill-informed chit right there.

First off, I doubt that "gun dealers of any kind" are all Republicans who by your definition all "hate Obama".

Secondly, the NRA gave/gives passing grades to pro-gun candidates no matter what their party affiliation is. As an example, Harry Reid (Mr. Presidential knee pads himself) got an "A" endorsement from the NRA in the last elections for his pro-gun views. I'm not saying he deserved it as he'd likely sell his mother to Obama if he thinks he can get ahead politically as the winds shift, but he got one none the less.

If you're going to pontificate, at least try to be fairly accurate with your sermon. BTW - so you don't speculate about me in an online sermon, I'm a very conservative Republican but have good gun friends who are Democrats. Most of them didn't vote for Obama either.


Gotta agree with Winny here - Romney probably didn't waste frontline time on gun ban repeals in MA since it wasn't gonna fly in one of the most Communistic states in the nation. Just like Ol' Bammy didn't waste too much time on gun control till he was re-elected for a last term, the Senate stayed liberal/Dem, AND Sandy Hook happened where suburban, white kids got killed - the perfect storm - or as perfect as it's gonna get for this term most likely. You can hate Roney cuz he's rich if you want falling into the liberal class warfare arguments that have brought many a nation into Communism), but I'd much rather have a successful business man there with decades of experience at running a budget rather than some well-spoken, over-confident loser that mooched on public money his WHOLE life (college and "jobs" thereafter all paid for by us - never had a business or a real job in the real world - ever). Romney just making it for Gov. in MA is a success story in itself. Even Ol' Bammy's finding out that just cuz you wanna be King, doesn't mean you can do whatever you want in the real world. There's a Legislature, Courts and, first and foremost, the People as checks and balances.

Harry Reid got A from the NRA due to pulling down yet more public funds to build a huge shooting complex in Clark County. I debate their ratings sometimes myself, but it is less biased than anything else I know of short of the Gun Owners of America list.

Stating that Ol' Bammy is good for the gun business is being a bit short-sighted - quite a bit.
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#2424984 - 02/06/13 02:48 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
Tbone-AZ Offline
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Registered: 10/04/12
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Loc: AZ, Phoenix
I stopped into Dillion reloading and I overheard them talking about how they had more than 75 temporary workers to handle the rush.
Good for them for being one of the few companies in the country that is actually hiring people.
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#2425084 - 02/06/13 05:00 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: CatShooter]
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I think the background check might fly if it didn't make a list of who has what - maybe a national firearms card (good in all 57 states), or just a NCIS check that says that it is OK to sell, but did not include what or even "if" there was a true sale... but we know what the real purpose is for the checks is, so I think it won't fly in it's present version.

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I agree with you. I actually believe there should be a background check, but only if it could be done without being traced. But how can you do that? I will not give up my guns.

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#2425165 - 02/06/13 06:15 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: Winny Fan]
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Registered: 12/09/09
Posts: 629
Loc: St. Paul, MN
Originally Posted By: Winny Fan

Second......... I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to and quoted the Talking Grouse, and in that perspective, what he said was phuny and totally incorrect.


What part was "phuny and totally incorrect"? The part about Romney being the governor of one of the most anti-gun states in the union and doing nothing about it? I think if you do a little actual research you'll find, that that is actually 100% correct. Making excuses for why he didn't do anything about MA's anti-gun stance sounds like 100% chite to me, but if you want to become Governor Romney's Official Apologist, go ahead.

My point is that having a R or a D after your name means nothing as far as your stance on gun rights. Both parties have anti-gun members just as both paries have pro gun members. I know I'm not going to change your mind, but I don't follow your logic of giving free passes to politicians who just don't seem to care or are indifferent. That's as good as being an anti in my book.

Grouse

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#2425283 - 02/06/13 07:46 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: The Famous Grouse]
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Loc: Central Texas
Originally Posted By: The Famous Grouse
Originally Posted By: Winny Fan

Second......... I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to and quoted the Talking Grouse, and in that perspective, what he said was phuny and totally incorrect.


What part was "phuny and totally incorrect"? The part about Romney being the governor of one of the most anti-gun states in the union and doing nothing about it? I think if you do a little actual research you'll find, that that is actually 100% correct. Making excuses for why he didn't do anything about MA's anti-gun stance sounds like 100% chite to me, but if you want to become Governor Romney's Official Apologist, go ahead.
My point is that having a R or a D after your name means nothing as far as your stance on gun rights. Both parties have anti-gun members just as both paries have pro gun members. I know I'm not going to change your mind, but I don't follow your logic of giving free passes to politicians who just don't seem to care or are indifferent. That's as good as being an anti in my book.

Grouse


I thought Mike B explained the Romney issue quite well, but you probably missed it. Who said I gave a free pass to anyone? Who did I vote for? Please let me know since you profess to know so much about politics.

If you'd like to take it offline I'd be more than happy to compare what you have done in the past 20 years for gun rights with what I've done. I've done far more than just spout rhetoric on an internet forum that is nothing more than personal chest thumping to pump up your one adoring fan - namely yourself.
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#2426692 - 02/07/13 09:30 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: Winny Fan]
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I just heard a local shop tell a guy yesterday that Stag is 2 years behind.

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#2431772 - 02/12/13 09:41 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: CatShooter]
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Originally Posted By: CatShooter

Soon, I think. I just heard on the radio, that firearms sales are falling and on the way back to normal (source is background check numbers).

I think people have figured out that nothing is going to happen in Washington.

.


They might be falling because there isn't anything out there to buy or prices are high enough to discourage it.

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#2431796 - 02/12/13 10:00 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: dog lover]
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Registered: 11/08/11
Posts: 96
Loc: Wy
Originally Posted By: dog lover
I think the background check might fly if it didn't make a list of who has what - maybe a national firearms card (good in all 57 states), or just a NCIS check that says that it is OK to sell, but did not include what or even "if" there was a true sale... but we know what the real purpose is for the checks is, so I think it won't fly in it's present version.

.
I agree with you. I actually believe there should be a background check, but only if it could be done without being traced. But how can you do that? I will not give up my guns.


To late for that. We already have a back ground check that can be traced.

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#2431798 - 02/12/13 10:03 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: The Famous Grouse]
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Registered: 11/08/11
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Loc: Wy
Originally Posted By: The Famous Grouse
Originally Posted By: Winny Fan

Second......... I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to and quoted the Talking Grouse, and in that perspective, what he said was phuny and totally incorrect.


What part was "phuny and totally incorrect"? The part about Romney being the governor of one of the most anti-gun states in the union and doing nothing about it? I think if you do a little actual research you'll find, that that is actually 100% correct. Making excuses for why he didn't do anything about MA's anti-gun stance sounds like 100% chite to me, but if you want to become Governor Romney's Official Apologist, go ahead.

My point is that having a R or a D after your name means nothing as far as your stance on gun rights. Both parties have anti-gun members just as both paries have pro gun members. I know I'm not going to change your mind, but I don't follow your logic of giving free passes to politicians who just don't seem to care or are indifferent. That's as good as being an anti in my book.

Grouse





Didn't Romney support the last gun ban?

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#2431868 - 02/12/13 11:06 AM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: chucknbach]
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Loc: Kentucky
Originally Posted By: chucknbach
Originally Posted By: CatShooter

Soon, I think. I just heard on the radio, that firearms sales are falling and on the way back to normal (source is background check numbers).

I think people have figured out that nothing is going to happen in Washington.

.


They might be falling because there isn't anything out there to buy or prices are high enough to discourage it.



I know that is true in this area

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#2431945 - 02/12/13 12:17 PM Re: When will the firearms, ammo, and accessory supply chains catch up? [Re: gostovp]
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Posts: 429
Loc: Utah
Got this email two weeks or so ago that takes about where everyone is at dont know how true just thought I would pass it along.
From: JEP Firearms, LLC



Waco, TX – Update from the gun industry on production and shortages




Armalite: Maxed out!

COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by bolt carrier's.

Daniel Defense: All of 2013 production is presold and it is not taking backorders.

DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.

FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1.

LWRC: Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.

Remington: Maxed out!

RUGER: Plans to increase production from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

Smith & Wesson: Is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.



AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation-wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible with about 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is going to the military followed by law enforcement and civilians are a distant third in line.



MAGPUL: Is behind 1 MILLION mags; do not expect any large quantities of Magpul items anytime soon.



RELOADERS!!!! ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo manufacturers FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes...it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up.

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