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#2449231 - 02/28/13 01:25 AM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Rock Knocker]
JamesTaylor Offline
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Registered: 02/27/13
Posts: 5
Loc: Texas, USA
It is better to kill those dogs which can be dangerous in terms of spreading pest like as wild dogs. But which are not involved in such cases should be killed as these dogs are useful for lot of purposes.
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#2449855 - 02/28/13 06:44 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Rock Knocker]
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Registered: 01/29/13
Posts: 78
Loc: USA
Hey Rock Knocker,I am suprised that the source you found on M44's getter guns and cyanide did not state that these poisons have been illegal many years.If you stop and think about it ANYTHING that pulls on them with their mouth or teeth and sets them off is going to die.I think they were only ever used in very desolate areas of the West many years ago.They are just in no way selective of what they kill.

I have heard of coyotes being killed in conibears.But to set a 330size on dry land is illegal as far as I know everywhere.A 220 could be used i guess if legal but still not considered a good coyote trap at all or a good way to trap them at all.And a responsible trapper has to be very very careful wherehe sets conibearson dry land.Same thing with snares that have kill type springs incorporated into the lock.If legal in your state they can work very well.You just have to be very careful where you set them.I use relaxing type penny size washer locks and catch them by the neck usually.And then dispatch from a little distance with my rifle.I'm about out of time but will get back to this and footholds hopefully tomorow.

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#2450181 - 02/28/13 11:02 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Yote Whacker]
BDC2 Offline
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Registered: 01/27/13
Posts: 16
Loc: KS.
RockKnocker this is what Minnesota trappers are up against. I think about 75 percent of it is BS. Why would you even want to add to the controversy. The title of your post will pull up on any search engine. Search dog deadly traps or 220 conibears and see what pops up. Here is one of the first one that caught my eye.
http://www.twincities.com/outdoors/ci_21812576/will-minnesotas-new-trapping-rules-mean-fewer-dog

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#2450552 - 03/01/13 12:02 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Rock Knocker]
bigsky_songdogs Offline
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Registered: 10/28/10
Posts: 5295
Loc: Big Sky Country
This thread is ridiculous.

A saying comes to mind: For those that know, no explanation is necessary,- for those that dont, no explanation is possible.


RK, my best advice is stick to gun hunting......for everyone's sake
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#2451479 - 03/02/13 01:21 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Rock Knocker]
Yote Whacker Offline
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Posts: 78
Loc: USA
Pretty well put there Bigsky.I have been thinking all along if someone really does not want to dispatch a coyote or any wild animal that they catch then they really should not set a trap to begin with.Tome that just really makes to most sense or as you said do us all a favor and just stick to gun hunting!

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#2451992 - 03/02/13 11:01 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Rock Knocker]
predyotevarmint Offline
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Registered: 12/05/12
Posts: 392
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: Rock Knocker

I dont want to just get a hold on something to make it struggle for hours and hours. I dont have the heart to walk up to a traped animal and see that kind of fear. In my opinion it is a pathetic way to die and I dont want to give anything that kind of death.



I take it you close your eyes when you squeeze off on an animal.

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#2452749 - 03/03/13 06:57 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Rock Knocker]
Rock Knocker Offline
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Registered: 12/29/11
Posts: 3369
Loc: Buffalo, MN
Originally Posted By: Rock Knocker
When I hunt, killing the animal ethicaly and as fast as possible is my top priority.

I am just trying to keep that as a top priority over, say, quality or amount of fur.

I aspecially dont want to hurt anyone or their animals but I am very confident of the safety of the area I will be trying.

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#2452752 - 03/03/13 06:58 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Rock Knocker]
Rock Knocker Offline
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Loc: Buffalo, MN
Originally Posted By: Rock Knocker
When I hunt, killing the animal ethicaly and as fast as possible is my top priority.

I am just trying to keep that as a top priority over, say, quality or amount of fur.

I aspecially dont want to hurt anyone or their animals but I am very confident of the safety of the area I will be trying
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#2452873 - 03/03/13 08:43 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Rock Knocker]
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Trapping with footholds is ethical, and animals caught in them relax and just hangout after they realize they can't get out for the most part.

If you don't want to use them, then don't, no biggie but don't question the ethics of those that do. Trappers have a hard enough time keeping their rights to continue to trap, and we don't need those that are ignorant to the truth of trapping questioning it for all to see. The antis do that enough as it is.
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#2453055 - 03/03/13 11:23 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Rock Knocker]
coyotenut Offline
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Registered: 01/01/12
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Loc: Central SD
My dog was killed by a connibear trap put on our land by a tresspasser. If you are worried about killing a trapped animal, think about how you would feel finding somebody elses dog dead in a trap you set. I am not against trapping done ethically, just giving you something else to think about.
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#2453111 - 03/04/13 12:59 AM Re: Deadly traps [Re: coyotenut]
bigsky_songdogs Offline
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Registered: 10/28/10
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Loc: Big Sky Country
Originally Posted By: coyotenut
My dog was killed by a connibear trap put on our land by a tresspasser. If you are worried about killing a trapped animal, think about how you would feel finding somebody elses dog dead in a trap you set. I am not against trapping done ethically, just giving you something else to think about.


That is the key words, people setting traps on private property without permission are trespassers and poachers,sorry to hear about your dog and I'm glad you see that it wasn't trapping at fault, it was criminals.
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#2453498 - 03/04/13 04:16 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Rock Knocker]
Brownie Offline
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Registered: 10/03/09
Posts: 2223
Loc: Walla Walla, Washington, U,S,A
If you can't walk up to a trapped animal and look Into its eyes before taking its life in the quickes humane way possible than you don't Need to anywhere near a trap or gun. Respect your game and if your gonna trap expect to encounter live , crippled and or suffering animals as things don't always work the way they should. I have a friend who shot a rabbit one day while we were out plinking and after only immobilizing it with his shot he didn't have the balls to go finish off the struggling screaming rabbit. After calling him a few choice names I hold him never to shoot at something he doesn't intend to finish. I dispatched the rabbit and will not go plinking again with him because of it. Grow some balls or get a different hobby I hear crochet is all the rage these days


Edited by Brownie (03/04/13 04:17 PM)
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#2453637 - 03/04/13 06:56 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: bigsky_songdogs]
Rock Knocker Offline
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Registered: 12/29/11
Posts: 3369
Loc: Buffalo, MN
Originally Posted By: bigsky_songdogs
Trapping with footholds is ethical, and animals caught in them relax and just hangout after they realize they can't get out for the most part.

If you don't want to use them, then don't, no biggie but don't question the ethics of those that do. Trappers have a hard enough time keeping their rights to continue to trap, and we don't need those that are ignorant to the truth of trapping questioning it for all to see. The antis do that enough as it is.


I never once questioned any trappers ethics. In one of my earlier posts I even said I was jealous that I couldn't simply do it. I read in the Minnesota trapping regulations that poisons were legal where permited and I read online about poison traps that were soposed to kill in seconds. So I came on here (with much already admitted ignorance) and asked about poison traps, then all h ell broke lose.

I have killed plenty of maimed animals from rabbits screaming and doing back flips to whitetails that were shot through the leg.

I've seen deer walking around with their lower jaw missing. I've tracked a buddy's wounded deer that had a broadhead cut the front leg to the bone, and when I spooked it from its bed it franticly jumped down a small mound of dirt and broke it good front leg. Seeing it try to get away after that has not and may not leave my memory, it was my worst hunting experience I have had. I killed it with a head shot no more than two minutes later, it was the only part of the animal I could see after it stumbled into a ditch. I could barely talk to my buddy the rest of the day, after making the crappy 60 yard shot that wounded the animal.

If seeing wounded animals does not bother you that does not bother me. Serously. I never once have said anything bad about any of the trappers I know of or any trapper I have talked to.

I know if I started trapping and see another small coyote or a fox in a foot hold with its leg broken and its paw flopping around I would have to sell all the equipment I just bought.

If you think I am less of a man for any of this, I could care less, you are a narrow minded piece of slime and what you think is as important to me as the latest celebrity gossip.

This archery season I passed on a 60 yard shot on the first Boone and Crocket buck I have ever seen. I have a Hoyt AlphaBurner and practice all the time at 80 yards, but I didn't like the shot because I was in a tree and he was down a hill. I never practiced at that angle over 30 yards. My buddies dad shot it with a rifle two weeks later. That makes me a man.

Most of this thread has been misconstrued. I think some people have added emotions to what I wrote when I meant no disrespect to anyone. If this was a face to face conversation we would all see this.


Once again... I don't mean any disrespect or have ever tried to disrespect any trapper or any of you.

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#2453665 - 03/04/13 07:30 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Rock Knocker]
bigsky_songdogs Offline
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If you think I am less of a man for any of this, I could care less, you are a narrow minded piece of slime and what you think is as important to me as the latest celebrity gossip.


Once again... I don't mean any disrespect or have ever tried to disrespect any trapper or any of you.


These two excerpts from your last post kind of contradict each other d't they? Funny, I don't remember calling you names. But whatever makes you feel special I guess.

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#2453680 - 03/04/13 07:44 PM Re: Deadly traps [Re: Rock Knocker]
Rock Knocker Offline
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Registered: 12/29/11
Posts: 3369
Loc: Buffalo, MN
Sorry I didn't mean to aim all of that at you. I meant that to whoever questioned my manhood, and that had nothing to do with their trapping. Only to do with someone questioning someones manhood over a forum...

It seemed like you thought I was questioning the ethics of trappers, which I have never done.

I was going to quote a couple other people but I couldn't figure out how to quote several people in the same post.

This was kind of what I meant by this whole type/text thing.

If anyone has any questions or comments my phone number is 763-248-5325. I work Mon-Fri 5am-1:30pm then I go to the gym from 3pm to around 4:30pm. I wake up early so dont call after 8pm central time.


Edited by Rock Knocker (03/04/13 07:49 PM)

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