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#2364682 - 12/20/12 12:07 AM Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load?
Chupathingy Offline
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Registered: 12/01/07
Posts: 6561
Loc: Joshua,Texas
Give me your input about this shell please. Ofcourse I know everything comes down to how it patterns out of my gun. My question is about the terminal effects given a reasonable amount of pellet strikes. I've never used "B" shot before and am just looking for a heads up.

As soon as the wind switches to the north, I will give a review of this shell if anyone is interested.


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#2364737 - 12/20/12 01:03 AM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: Chupathingy]
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#2364776 - 12/20/12 02:31 AM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: Chupathingy]
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Registered: 08/11/09
Posts: 514
Loc: Oregon
Isnt B shot a little smaller than BB. I would think for coyote you would want something a little larger. I use the dead coyote Ts and have had good luck with them. It will be interesting to see how these work out for you. I saw some heavy shot Bs on sale at Cabelas the other day.
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#2364901 - 12/20/12 09:10 AM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: GLA.OR]
rynokron Offline
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Registered: 10/09/10
Posts: 858
Loc: Washington
It patterned real well for me. The only downside is a lack of knock down power. Shot one real early in a stand, it dropped. So I keep calling awhile. After I'm done walk up to it and it jumps up and runs away! Granted this was a single incident, but it was about 30 yards away. Could have been me. Went back to Hevi Shot T and no more runners.

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#2364912 - 12/20/12 09:26 AM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: Chupathingy]
GC Offline
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Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 12776
Loc: Missouri
The Winchester load is a smaller size pellet with less shot in the load overall than any of the other high tech loads - never interested me. When I get done with my stash of the now discontinued Remington HD-BB's, the load I am itching to try out is the Federal Heavyweight BB Coyote load. The Federal is the densest of all the tungsten type loads and should really be a super load if a guy works around the Flite Control wad they use.
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#2364946 - 12/20/12 10:09 AM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: Chupathingy]
Varminterror Offline
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Registered: 03/23/12
Posts: 1414
Loc: Kansas
I've been wondering about this load for a while now. Frankly, I'm not confident it will have the long range KO power that Hevi-T or lead 00 has, but the price point I've seen is more friendly than Dead Coyote, so I've been wanting to try it out.

BUT... I haven't been able to find it anywhere yet.
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#2365109 - 12/20/12 12:27 PM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: Chupathingy]
derbyacresbob Offline
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Registered: 04/05/07
Posts: 2987
Loc: Kern County, CA
I bought quite a few boxes of the 3" 1-3/8 oz B Waterfowl Xtended Range Hi Density loads when Cabela's was closing them out.

I have not tried them out yet. I have shot coyotes with the Rem HD #2s and 8 coyotes with the Federal Heavyweight #2s and they both work pretty good.

If you can find any Federal Heavyweight #2s for a good price buy them. The Federal Heavyweight #2s are 35% denser than lead. Federal Heavyweight shot is much heavier than Hevi-Shot or Rem HD shot.

I think I will be using the 2 shot or B shot for my first shot and then backing them up with REM HD BBs or Hevi-Shot or Rem HD T shot.

I have to shoot lead free shot at coyotes so for the last 3 years I have been buying good lead free shotgun shells whenever I find them on sale or when they are being closed out.
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#2365435 - 12/20/12 06:28 PM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: Chupathingy]
ncmodave Offline
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Registered: 02/24/12
Posts: 24
Loc: Russellville Mo
I have killed two with them. One at 40 yards broadside through some brush. Moved about 4 ft. Dead. Pellets penetrated through to the hide on opisite side. The other was at 20 yards even broke the shoulder on the otherside. Works for me soo far.

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#2366225 - 12/21/12 12:25 PM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: GC]
rynokron Offline
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Registered: 10/09/10
Posts: 858
Loc: Washington
Originally Posted By: GC
The Winchester load is a smaller size pellet with less shot in the load overall than any of the other high tech loads - never interested me. When I get done with my stash of the now discontinued Remington HD-BB's, the load I am itching to try out is the Federal Heavyweight BB Coyote load. The Federal is the densest of all the tungsten type loads and should really be a super load if a guy works around the Flite Control wad they use.


Whats the trick with the flight control wad? Non ported choke? Something else. I'd like to try these too, but at $5 each testing gets expensive, The Hevi shot T's are expensive too, but I've got them working pretty good for me. Always looking for something better though.

Sorry about hi jacking this thread.

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#2366427 - 12/21/12 04:57 PM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: Chupathingy]
lghtnquik Offline
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Registered: 02/11/10
Posts: 59
Loc: WA
Ryno we need to get out after the holidays but with the fc wads open nonported chokes. Like a mod or ic works best for the duck guys shooting the fc wads.

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#2366783 - 12/21/12 11:02 PM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: Chupathingy]
GC Offline
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Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 12776
Loc: Missouri
Non-wad stripping chokes are best for the Flite Control wad. Constriction is variable with less than a person might normally use for a certain application generally giving best results with this wad type. With that said, some choke makers are catering to the Flite Control and making extended non-wad stripping chokes with fairly tight constriction that are producing good results.
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#2366852 - 12/22/12 12:23 AM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: Chupathingy]
cawilson82 Offline
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Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 1983
Loc: tn
I dont believe shotshell loads are made for "knockdoen" power. Shot is made to shred tissue. Thats what ive always understood about shotguns.

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#2366861 - 12/22/12 12:29 AM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: GC]
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Registered: 11/21/03
Posts: 1048
Loc: Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: GC
When I get done with my stash of the now discontinued Remington HD-BB's, the load I am itching to try out is the Federal Heavyweight BB Coyote load. The Federal is the densest of all the tungsten type loads and should really be a super load if a guy works around the Flite Control wad they use.


Wonder what constriction they are reccomending to be used with the Federal Heavyweight BB's??

Also wonder where I might find some...??


Edited by cowpoke (12/22/12 12:29 AM)

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#2366908 - 12/22/12 01:33 AM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: cowpoke]
GC Offline
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Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 12776
Loc: Missouri
Originally Posted By: cowpoke
Originally Posted By: GC
When I get done with my stash of the now discontinued Remington HD-BB's, the load I am itching to try out is the Federal Heavyweight BB Coyote load. The Federal is the densest of all the tungsten type loads and should really be a super load if a guy works around the Flite Control wad they use.


Wonder what constriction they are reccomending to be used with the Federal Heavyweight BB's??

Also wonder where I might find some...??


This is only a guesstimate however I would begin with about .025" from the bore size and carefully work tighter until I began to experience blown donut type patterns. That's my plan anyway.
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#2366922 - 12/22/12 02:06 AM Re: Winchester supreme elite Xtended range hi density coyote load? [Re: GC]
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Registered: 11/21/03
Posts: 1048
Loc: Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: GC
Originally Posted By: cowpoke
Originally Posted By: GC
When I get done with my stash of the now discontinued Remington HD-BB's, the load I am itching to try out is the Federal Heavyweight BB Coyote load. The Federal is the densest of all the tungsten type loads and should really be a super load if a guy works around the Flite Control wad they use.


Wonder what constriction they are reccomending to be used with the Federal Heavyweight BB's??

Also wonder where I might find some...??


This is only a guesstimate however I would begin with about .025" from the bore size and carefully work tighter until I began to experience blown donut type patterns. That's my plan anyway.


That's kinda what I was thinking might be a good way to look at it.

My initial thoughts are that this particular load is not a good candidate for the really tight predator and turkey style chokes.

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