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#2370310 - 12/25/12 01:44 AM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
i must be missing something here. From what i have seen a dog who is to be strictly a decoy dog for the majority of guys one here need a pretty small skill set.
Im basing this on what i see repeatedly on here.

#1 must be good with the family. I see that constantly. Cant say how many times i hear "family pet will be his main job" well that doesnt require any special blue ribbon bloodline. You can pick up a mut from any dog pound that will make a great pet.

#2 must be obedient and handle well. any hunting dog or pet for that matter should have a desire to please its master. If you put in your time the dog should do his part regardless of bloodlines. I have seen some dogs out of trophy stock that i would just soon shoot in the head than try to handle. Then i have seen some muts that handle like a dream.

#3 must have some drive and want to hunt. We are not talking about your dog putting on 16 miles a day running a track, or standing treed for hours. we are talking about a dog ether sitting by your side while you call, or running around and checking things out or even for some of you guys running up to a mile out and checking back in from time to time. This is also something i feel like you could get from almost any cross pretty steadily.

#4 they need to have a mix of teeth and reverse. not too much of one or the other. well to me that just totally fits several different breeds all together, not bloodline specific.

#5 They need to have enough nose to smell a two min old track. And if a decoy dog is tracking a coyote its because he is shot and bleeding. Doesnt take much nose to find a shot bleeding yote five to fifteen min old. Pretty much any cur, hound, or terrier should be able to accomplish this fairly easily.

And i dont personally think that 99% of guys on here will ever hunt their decoy dog to truly wear them out, or require any extreme endurance.

Now i know some of you guys use your dogs for much more than just decoying yotes. But then they are not strictly decoy dogs so thats a different conversation.

So after looking at it from that point of view, just how important is breeding in a decoy dog?
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#2370449 - 12/25/12 09:34 AM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
SHampton Offline
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Registered: 04/28/11
Posts: 1778
Loc: BAOklahoma
#1 must be good with the family. I see that constantly. Cant say how many times i hear "family pet will be his main job" well that doesnt require any special blue ribbon bloodline. You can pick up a mut from any dog pound that will make a great pet...............................

I think there are a lot of "decoy dogs" that are nothing more than companions on stand simply because guys don't hunt them enough or just can't put enough coyotes in front of them to give them experience and make them better.

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#2370453 - 12/25/12 09:38 AM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Dustballs Offline
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Registered: 03/14/09
Posts: 861
Loc: Wyoming
Originally Posted By: Jesse lackey
i must be missing something here. From what i have seen a dog who is to be strictly a decoy dog for the majority of guys one here need a pretty small skill set.
Im basing this on what i see repeatedly on here.

#1 must be good with the family. I see that constantly. Cant say how many times i hear "family pet will be his main job" well that doesnt require any special blue ribbon bloodline. You can pick up a mut from any dog pound that will make a great pet.

#2 must be obedient and handle well. any hunting dog or pet for that matter should have a desire to please its master. If you put in your time the dog should do his part regardless of bloodlines. I have seen some dogs out of trophy stock that i would just soon shoot in the head than try to handle. Then i have seen some muts that handle like a dream.

#3 must have some drive and want to hunt. We are not talking about your dog putting on 16 miles a day running a track, or standing treed for hours. we are talking about a dog ether sitting by your side while you call, or running around and checking things out or even for some of you guys running up to a mile out and checking back in from time to time. This is also something i feel like you could get from almost any cross pretty steadily.

#4 they need to have a mix of teeth and reverse. not too much of one or the other. well to me that just totally fits several different breeds all together, not bloodline specific.

#5 They need to have enough nose to smell a two min old track. And if a decoy dog is tracking a coyote its because he is shot and bleeding. Doesnt take much nose to find a shot bleeding yote five to fifteen min old. Pretty much any cur, hound, or terrier should be able to accomplish this fairly easily.

And i dont personally think that 99% of guys on here will ever hunt their decoy dog to truly wear them out, or require any extreme endurance.

Now i know some of you guys use your dogs for much more than just decoying yotes. But then they are not strictly decoy dogs so thats a different conversation.

So after looking at it from that point of view, just how important is breeding in a decoy dog?


Now I am confused. How did "Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform?" turn into what is needed for a decoy dog. Sounds like you have decoy dogs all figured out. lol

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#2370734 - 12/25/12 02:08 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
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No, not at all. The op just didnt seem to be going anywhrre other than you need a good bloodline. So i decided to take a good look at that.

Im hoping someone will prove me wrong. I wont beat around the bush anymore. I continue to see guys who have almost no knowledge what so ever of hunting dogs giving advice. It shows pretty clear to me. A perfect example was posted even after i started this thread. In the thread about shocking a dog.

I keep hearing about the stellar breading behind these decoy dogs. And the loads of hunt drive. Why because they follow you around the desert? I dont think 90% of these guys really know anything at all about the breeding of their dog, or what makes that cross good or bad. But we keep hearing about how important the blood is.

This is not directed at anyone. It is just the general attitude of a talk forum that gets me.

So, someone please prove me wrong!

Merry Christmas !
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If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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#2370758 - 12/25/12 02:29 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
I say if it is a mutt on mutt cross and it does everthing the owner wants it to do then in their eyes it's a good dog. I thinks good blood sure helps but that does not make the dog. I have a pup that I'm going to have around 2000.00 in when she is done and I have know idea if she is going to be good or not that is the chance I took. If she does not turn out it is going to be the most expencive FREE dog anyone around here will have. I will try again. A trud is a turd no matter the breeding.IMO

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#2370835 - 12/25/12 04:35 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Dustballs Offline
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Registered: 03/14/09
Posts: 861
Loc: Wyoming
Originally Posted By: Jesse lackey
No, not at all. The op just didnt seem to be going anywhrre other than you need a good bloodline. So i decided to take a good look at that.

Im hoping someone will prove me wrong. I wont beat around the bush anymore. I continue to see guys who have almost no knowledge what so ever of hunting dogs giving advice. It shows pretty clear to me. A perfect example was posted even after i started this thread. In the thread about shocking a dog.

I keep hearing about the stellar breading behind these decoy dogs. And the loads of hunt drive. Why because they follow you around the desert? I dont think 90% of these guys really know anything at all about the breeding of their dog, or what makes that cross good or bad. But we keep hearing about how important the blood is.

This is not directed at anyone. It is just the general attitude of a talk forum that gets me.

So, someone please prove me wrong!

Merry Christmas !


LOL I just thought maybe you were going to get into the decoy dog business. Just breed any two dogs that come along. I wish I could tell you. You are right after seeing some of the stuff on here me and my dogs are really just a screwed up mess.

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#2370889 - 12/25/12 05:50 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
jglynn Offline
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Registered: 01/12/11
Posts: 1787
Loc: Southeast Oklahoma
Jesse, i figure you can make just about any dog a decoy dog. i would just think that a lap dog or a great dane would not be the choice to go with, both for different reasons.

there are alot of breeds i would never consider. not saying it couldnt be done, but certain breeds will have natural hunting abilities.

i think a person needs to figure out what they want there dog to do on stand and then find a dog that is capable to do that.

some guys like myself has a dog that doesnt range alot while others have dogs that will travel a long ways and actually "toll" a coyote back. now, guys that have dogs like me, can probably use about any dog. but the guys that have dogs that travel a mile or so and actually find a coyote probably needs a good hunting breed type of dog.

this is just my opinion. and i will add, if i knew before i got my dog that there were dogs that acutally go out and find you a coyote, a true decoy/tolling dog, that is the direction i would have went. lesson learned. do your homework before you get into something!!!
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#2370986 - 12/25/12 07:27 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
So does the bloodline make them range? (Not being a smart azz here, this is a seriouse question)

Are certain breeds more apt to range? Or is it in the training?

Im not saying that a good bloodline isnt a good thing. For instance Duane makes it clear that his dogs are very versatile, and they will and do about anything you could need from a dog. He is breeding for nose grit, endurance........ With the type of breeding he is doing i truly think you could get a dog from him and make a tree dog, a cow dog, a cat dog, pretty versatile.

Now if all you are wanting is purely a decoy dog, do you need all of that? What are the desired traits that should be bred for to make the ideal decoy spacific dog?
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If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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#2370995 - 12/25/12 07:32 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
Dustballs, i tries that once, and it didnt work, i just ended up bringing Ryan a truck load of culls! A few other members got some free ones also. But i couldnt afford it for long since i gave them away, and had to deliver the dogs everywhere from Oklahoma City to Indiana! I knew i should have payed more attention in economics!
Hahahahaha
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If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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#2371022 - 12/25/12 07:58 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
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Registered: 09/11/08
Posts: 2182
Loc: north central okla
ha, jesse she might not have made a decoy dog but the guy i give that female to sure likes her for a pet
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#2371058 - 12/25/12 08:27 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
Did any of the pups out of her turn out?
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If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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#2371115 - 12/25/12 09:17 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
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Registered: 09/11/08
Posts: 2182
Loc: north central okla
she had 4, one died, i dont know about the female, she was doing good the last i heard, one of the males made a jam up hog dog but is layed up, he got cut from the should back into his hip awhile back, the one i kept ended up making a good all round dog, i sold him to a guy and he's using him as a decoy dog, really seems to like him, he was sure making a good coyote dog. after i figured out the cross seemed to work i have try to breed her back 2 different times, didnt take either time


Edited by trapper2 (12/25/12 09:18 PM)
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#2371144 - 12/25/12 09:46 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
Thats too bad. She had the makings of a good dog, i just let her sit around on a chain too long.
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If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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#2371197 - 12/25/12 10:35 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
trapper2 Offline
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Registered: 09/11/08
Posts: 2182
Loc: north central okla
yea she had some good pups but was just a "me too" dog herself, i'm like you, i think if a guy had started her younger she would have made a good dog
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#2371244 - 12/25/12 11:24 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
So are you saying there is hope for my decoy dog program after all! Hahaha.

I for one am not ashamed to admit that i have ruined more than one dog by leaving on the chain. I just have a hard time getting motivated on anything other than running dogs.
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If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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