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#2362303 - 12/17/12 10:45 PM Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform?
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
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Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
Just thought i would try to stir up some good conversation.

So in your mind/experience, what is the biggest factor in a dogs lack of preformance? Maybe just one day, maybe for a whole season. What makes them hunt to their best ability day after day? What causes them not to?
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#2362399 - 12/17/12 11:43 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Dead Down Wind Offline
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Registered: 03/14/11
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Perform?

My dog wants too hunt! It is in his blood and he will walk to the end of the earth with me:-)

Dogs have bad days as well as people, Bullet, at 6 months is ready to tear into Coyotes, the only bad experiences he has had is cactus:-(

Still a lot of season left, i am sure he will have times when he just doesn't want to go, as for now? He loves being outside with me!
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#2362492 - 12/18/12 01:43 AM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Dirtydude Offline
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Registered: 12/16/05
Posts: 112
Loc: N/E Worshington
Illness, Injury/Soreness, Fatigue.

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#2362897 - 12/18/12 02:59 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Dirtydude]
Norcalkyle Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 472
Loc: California
The human. If a dog is raised right and the time is put into bonding and training, it will do anything including die for it's owner, so that dog will give every hunt 100% baring health issues.

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#2363097 - 12/18/12 06:41 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Norcalkyle]
FullCryHounds Offline
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Registered: 07/27/03
Posts: 177
Loc: Colorado
Hands down, the number one factor in whether or not a dog makes it is its owner. Usually not getting the dog out enough and giving it a chance! I could go into more detail but probably should leave it at that.
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#2363230 - 12/18/12 08:10 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
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ok, so lets say finished dogs. You have a dog that works just the way you like 99% of the time. But what do you find causes those off days more than anything else? Is it food, fatigue, weather...... I was hoping to get a good conversation going here but maybe alotof people dont pay attention to those things.
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If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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#2363272 - 12/18/12 08:30 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
roode301 Offline
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#2363367 - 12/18/12 09:19 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
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#2363397 - 12/18/12 09:30 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: jeffeberle]
Norcalkyle Offline
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Posts: 472
Loc: California
I think the reason those dogs have off days is due to things you or the dog can't control. I firmly believe a well trained and treated dog is a machine that will go to earths end to please it's handler.

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#2363401 - 12/18/12 09:33 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
trapper2 Offline
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Registered: 09/11/08
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Loc: north central okla
jesse i say the guy that owns the dog, but if like you said, a dog that is finished and hunts great 99% of the time then i think just a off day. i have seen dogs hunt hard when they were so tired they just bearly got up to go to the truck but they sure hunted when you put them on the ground, same with dogs that had to sleep in a box for aweek of nights, eat different feed, or what ever. i just think if they are sure going good and hunt hard 99% of the time then they are just having a off day when they dont hunt hard, same as we do from time to time, but thats just my thoughts, what do you think?
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#2363405 - 12/18/12 09:36 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Kyle you are right, but what im hoping to get out of this thread is that alot of the bad days can be avoided. Im hoping to help some of the guys who are new to hunting dogs realize just how important it is to pay attention to how dogs react to changes. How they react to different feed. There is almost always a reason, and it is usually avoidable once you get to know a dog.

But there is also alot more to learn here than meets the eye.
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If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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#2363430 - 12/18/12 09:54 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
j.hennes Offline
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Registered: 04/15/11
Posts: 202
Loc: montana
funny you should ask this question. My lead dog is a 7 y/o Plott male that is far and away the best dog i have ever owned. I broke him early and often from deer elk etc. He gets an annual refresher course with the e-collar. He has/had never trashed, never not one time. Then last monday happened. Last week he was smoking a lion track like he has done many times over the years. He took that lion track at a run right up until the cat had hunted mule deer for a couple hours. Bullseye, failed me that day.

I don't know why he did that, on that day, he could have done it any other time in his past. He did have my pup with him, was she the influencing factor? He has trained a couple pups in his day. Never a hiccup before.

If you can figure out why dogs choose to think for themselves at the least opportune time instead of doing as I have instructed, let me know!

Generally speaking, I would say breeding influences a dogs hunting drive more than any other thing.

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#2363445 - 12/18/12 10:03 PM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
Ryan, here are some of my thoughts. Like you i have seen dogs hunt hard dead tired, and on poor food, and every thing else stacked against them, but they arent usually as good as usual. I also agree that every dog will have an unexplainable bad day here or there. But i have seen huge differences in performance just from different feed. Every so often I run out of feed for my hounds, and have to feed the cheep stuff we feed the house dogs for a few days. After four days of feeding junk food, it takes a quick toll on the hounds. They wont perform as well, and will take longer to bounce back after a hard hunt.

Stress is also another factor. I see a big difference in performance when the hounds dont sleep well, get stressed out, or have too much excitement before a hunt.

Another thing would be climate change. They adjust to the climate at home, and if there is an extreem change to climate it can also affect them.

Most of these things are pretty subtle, but still there. I know that most of this seems unusual, or maybe some of you dont think you would ever experience these things, but we all can and will.

For you guys out west, if you live in lower elevation, and decide to take a trip up the mountain to call some yotes, well you will probably have a pretty quick climate change. Or if you are like me and get a wild hare and drive 6it hours north at midnight to run on fresh snow in the morning.lol

Also stress and excitement. If your decoy dog is also a house dog, and you have Christmas dinner at your house. The kids are running all over, its noisy and bussy, then after dinner you decide to take the father in law out to see some decoy action. If you dont think all the excitement is going to affect your dog even a little i think your crazy.

Like i said, most differences are probably pretty unnoticeable, but the small differences could make the difference.
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If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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#2363806 - 12/19/12 10:08 AM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Norcalkyle Offline
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Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 472
Loc: California
Jesse:
I agree with what you say about food and the environment the dog is in. I also think that guys can be lazy when bringing a dog up, and the easy excuse when the dog doesn't pan out is that they just got a bad one. Not saying all dogs will be superstars, but I firmly believe that if you start with good stock, feed well, bond well, train right, at the very least you will have all good dogs.

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#2363903 - 12/19/12 11:53 AM Re: Biggest reason a dog doesnt preform? [Re: Jesse lackey]
Dead Down Wind Offline
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Registered: 03/14/11
Posts: 2639
Loc: Lakewood, Co.
AMEN Norcalkyle!

I have been feeding my dog Taste of the Wild puppy food, he is 6 months old and now weighs in at a healthy 50lbs.

I was told he would be around 50lbs as an adult. He is built like a brick [beeep] house and solid muscle.......

I reckon he will top 60 before all is said and done.
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