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#2298462 - 09/28/12 12:34 PM muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore
Spike Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 03/20/02
Posts: 401
Loc: Baggs, Wy. USA
shooting maxi balls, power belts,and hornady conicals past 50yds with my scoped 50cal encore has not been good. I started with 777powder pellets and win shot shell primers, using 80grs to 100grs of powder. I stepped up to 777 granules and 777primers with slight improvement. I am thinking that the 1 in 28 twist is not fast enough to stabilize the conicals that I'm trying to shoot. I read about the ramshot powder but have not tried it yet. I looked up the 50cal pistols shooting similar weight bullets and they have 1 in 19 twist. any real experience with 50cal muzzle loaders shooting conicals would be appreciated. thanks spike

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#2298762 - 09/28/12 09:24 PM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: Spike]
FURCHASER12 Offline
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Registered: 02/22/10
Posts: 488
Loc: Very Southern Ohio
I shoot a .44 cal hornady XTP bullet in 200gr with green sabot and 3 triple 7 pellets with deadly accuracy. have shot the 240 grain XTP also. Will not hesitate to shoot 200yds or a lil more with it.
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#2298823 - 09/28/12 11:02 PM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: Spike]
Smackem223 Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 08/13/09
Posts: 819
Loc: Iowa
Are you shooting in much of a cross wind. One thing I've noticed is muzzle loaders don't like a cross wind. I've switched to Hornady Great Plains 385 gr. and they seem to work well with knock down power.

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#2298828 - 09/28/12 11:09 PM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: Spike]
RockyMtnHunter Offline
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Registered: 07/09/09
Posts: 197
Loc: CO, USA
TC's are the worse to own when it comes to shooting full bore projectiles. The QLA at the end of the barrels are often drilled off center and causes nothing but problems with conical bullets.

You can order a Bergara barrel for it which does great with conicals and sabots.

Blackhorn209 is the best powder out there so if you can get some, do so. I doubt it will solve your problem so i'd start looking into a new barrel IMO.

My CVA Optima @100 yards with Thor conicals. The first 3 shots and then one adjustment shot.

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#2298839 - 09/28/12 11:28 PM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: Spike]
Ralphy Offline
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Registered: 02/15/12
Posts: 82
Loc: Iowa
Probably not want you want to hear but I had the same problems with a tc had to get a different barrel I read a lot on the web b4 I did and it seems to be a issue I now shoot my savage smokless only

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#2298842 - 09/28/12 11:45 PM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: Spike]
boone3380 Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 09/19/11
Posts: 240
Loc: KY
I shoot 3 777 pellets and Thompson shockwave sabots. Can't remember what grain they are but I'll look em up and get back with ya. I want to say there 200 or 250gr.

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#2298965 - 09/29/12 09:31 AM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: Spike]
mac805 Offline
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Registered: 01/25/09
Posts: 307
Loc: Kansas
Switch to BH 209 and don't look back. I've been shooting Barnes 44 Cal 200 gr bullets in mmp sabots with outstanding accuracy and very good on game performance. Took a nice whitetail doe with this combo last week.

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#2298984 - 09/29/12 09:59 AM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: mac805]
Rich44 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 02/26/06
Posts: 1885
Loc: NE OH
I have two Encores both 50's one shoots the 300gr SST under 1.5" at 100 with BH209 the other a PRo hunter was harder to get to shoot good but finally got it to under 1.5" at 100 with BH209 and 295gr Barnes so far I've killed only 1 deer with the Barnes load but it droped in its tracks. I'm using 110gr BH209 in both I've taken 20 deer with the SST/Shockwaves not one went over 20 yrds.
BTW I have found that in my gun I had to use the tightest sabot I could find the easy load types opened up groups to 3" using BH I can load the 10th shot as easy as the first

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#2299010 - 09/29/12 10:58 AM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: Spike]
Powerfisher Online
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 03/19/10
Posts: 1827
Loc: Washington
I have a TC Omega Z5 in a .50 and like it a lot. I have tried T7 powder and pellets untill I discovered BH 209. T7 powder was ok but had to swab after every shot. The pellets (as far as I know) are 50gr per pellet so its either 50gr (1 pellet) 100gr or 150 gr....hard to work up a load that way. BP also absorbs moisture so on rainy days or humid days, moisture will seep in. With BH209 no swabbing is need between shots. I have fired off 13 in a row with no swabbing. You will need to clean the flash hole in the breech plug though after a while. AND it doesnt absorb moisture like BP does. I use 90gr of BH209 to push a 290gr Barnes TMZ and it shoots very good. Hope my off topic information helps. Just my experience...


Edited by Powerfisher (09/29/12 11:02 AM)
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#2299042 - 09/29/12 12:08 PM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: Spike]
Spike Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 03/20/02
Posts: 401
Loc: Baggs, Wy. USA
I would like to thank every one for their help with their muzzle loader experinces.
Rockymtnhunter, where can Iget thor conicals?
Rich44, for accuracy I will try sabots, but they are not legal for elk in Colorado.
powerfisher,I see you also use sabots.
I have two encore barrels in 50 cal, one with iron sights and the other with a 6-18 nikon scope. there should be a big difference in accuracy at 50yds, not so!
I am going to order the BH powder and TC sabots from Cabela's so that I will find out if my barrels will shoot.
I will contact match grade machine to see If they recomend a faster twist to stabilize conicals. thanks Spike.

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#2299051 - 09/29/12 12:13 PM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: Spike]
RockyMtnHunter Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 07/09/09
Posts: 197
Loc: CO, USA
www.thorbullets.com

email them your name and mailing address and request a free sizing sample. You can to start with the smallest .500" and work your way up until you find the correct diameter. Normally TC's take the .502" but you never know until you get the sizing sample.

You can easily pick up a CVA Optima " Non thumbhole" for a great price at www.rrarms.com that is a conical shooting machine.


Edited by RockyMtnHunter (09/29/12 12:14 PM)

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#2299317 - 09/29/12 09:43 PM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: Spike]
hunt-m-up Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 08/18/09
Posts: 483
Loc: IA
In the past I've found the TC Maxi-hunters are more accurate than the Maxi-balls, but I don't shoot conicals currently. The TC barrels should shoot well with sabots or they really are the exception rather than the rule.

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#2299445 - 09/30/12 08:16 AM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: Spike]
Bernie P. Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 02/06/10
Posts: 2239
Loc: NY Adirondack Park
Have you seasoned the bore with TC's bore butter?If so I would suggest cleaning every trace of it out.That twist has shot best with 240-260gr sabot's in my Black Diamond and Omega.The Omega shoots con's well to.

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#2301388 - 10/03/12 06:15 AM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: RockyMtnHunter]
mxkop Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 02/21/11
Posts: 164
Loc: Blue Mtn NY
RockyMountainHunter nailed it. TC's are notorious for being lousy performers with conical/full bore projectiles. Stuff some 250gr saboted ShockWaves down the bore and watch it come to life. I have 3 T/C ML's and they all shoot outstanding with ShockWaves and several other saboted bullets that I have tried.

I've had excellent results with 777 pellets, but did make the swithc to BH209 with even better results and much cleaner shooting/loading.
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#2301463 - 10/03/12 10:35 AM Re: muzzle loader accuracy problems with 50cal encore [Re: Spike]
Spike Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 03/20/02
Posts: 401
Loc: Baggs, Wy. USA
rockymthunter, thor bullets is sending me some sample bullets to try. I hope the conicals will work in my encores as they are intended for elk.
because of you I ordered a ss optima, it's breech plug is flat and the encore is concave similar to BH's breech plug.
I am waiting for the BH powder and saboted bullets to arrive and try in the encore to see if their capable of some kind of accuracy. spike

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