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#2291000 - 09/16/12 12:00 AM New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression
shankbone Offline
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Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 955
Loc: OR
If you are looking for a detailed review of a New Frontier Armory complete lower ( as shipped from NFA), stop reading now. This lower is one of two lowers I received and tried out today with my new RRA Predator Pursuit. I purchased the NFA polymer lower because I was purchasing another lower at the same time and I thought I would see what all the fuss was about.

I sighted in my new upper with an Aero Precision lower (can't wait to get a new trigger) and then transferred the upper to the NFA lower and put 90 rounds down range while breaking in the new barrel.

The New Frontier is one of two lowers I purchased for my first AR, so I dont have a lot of experience with ARs and all their fancy lingo.

Trigger: mushy, but I shot better groups with the NFA lower and trigger than I did with the Aero.

Magwell: both GI mags and PMags dropped free when unloaded

Mold lines: whatever the little seams are called on polymer parts, this lower has 'em in spades

Lock-up: the lower fit tighter to the upper than the Aero.

Theone thing I noticed that will have to be corrected is the takedown pins, which are polymer, like the hammer and much of the trigger group that I could see upon quick inspection. Again, I'm unfamiliar with ARs, so if you have a specific question about the lower, let me know and I will take a look.

I am planning on continuing to test the lower and will keep you updated. Send ammo...

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#2291004 - 09/16/12 12:37 AM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
doggin coyotes Offline
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Originally Posted By: shankbone

Theone thing I noticed that will have to be corrected is the takedown pins, which are polymer,


I've had no problems with the poly pins.
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#2291403 - 09/16/12 08:42 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
Heretic Offline
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Registered: 01/04/09
Posts: 2373
Loc: Las Vegas
The Generation II take down pins are available from JoeBob's and NFA direct.

A traditional LPK works just fine as well with their polymer lowers. LW15.com has the torture tests.
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#2291425 - 09/16/12 09:09 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: Heretic]
JoeBobOutfitters Offline
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Loc: Hays, KS
Originally Posted By: Heretic
The Generation II take down pins are available from JoeBob's and NFA direct.

A traditional LPK works just fine as well with their polymer lowers. LW15.com has the torture tests.


Just FYI, the GenII takedown pins are installed in ALL the New Frontier Complete lowers purchased over the last 6mo or so (serial numbers $2000+), so there is no need for the upgrade kit unless it's one of the original 2000.
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#2291431 - 09/16/12 09:16 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: Heretic]
doggin coyotes Offline
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Originally Posted By: Heretic
The Generation II take down pins are available from JoeBob's and NFA direct.



Sounds like he just recently got this lower. It should already have the gen II pins in it.
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#2291432 - 09/16/12 09:18 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
doggin coyotes Offline
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ooops, I'm to slow.
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#2291433 - 09/16/12 09:19 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: doggin coyotes]
shankbone Offline
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Posts: 955
Loc: OR
Originally Posted By: doggin coyotes
Originally Posted By: Heretic
The Generation II take down pins are available from JoeBob's and NFA direct.



Sounds like he just recently got this lower. It should already have the gen II pins in it.


The lower is brand new, so I guess it does have the Generation II pins, whatever those may be. I just didn't like the looks of the polymer pins, but I will leave them as is.

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#2291445 - 09/16/12 09:46 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
rgvt4 Offline
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Registered: 01/30/12
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Loc: colorado
I've had 2 both worked fine. No problems at all.
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#2291541 - 09/16/12 11:54 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
Hibs Offline
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Registered: 11/15/11
Posts: 537
Loc: El Paso, TX
from New Frontier Armory on facebook...



CHECK OUT THIS PIC AND LETTER WE JUST GOT FROM A CUSTOMER TODAY ON THE DURABILITY OF OUR LW-15 LOWER. PICTURES ARE WORTH A MILLION WORDS!!

This is the result of running over one of my AR-15s with my 50hp tractor and a 6 ft Bush Hog. How it occurred is a long sad story, but of no importance to you.

The lower is one of you polymer lowers. What happened here speaks volumes about the ability of the
polymer lower to take punishment and keep on functioning.

The polymer stock was ripped out of the threads of the lower. The keeper key was bent and the buffer with spring went flying. The bolt carrier was sticking about 1/3 of its length out of the back of the upper. You will note that the rear takedown pin appears to be missing, not so. The upper sheared the rear pin off at both ends and the polymer pin’s center was still in the upper. The half full magazine was ripped out of the lower. After cleaning, the magazine went right back into the lower and locked up, with the release functioning as prior to modification. The trigger, sear and hammer functioned perfectly after the sand was removed and the lower was flushed.

After cleaning with mineral spirits and flushing then hammering the key flat, the stock treaded right back onto the lower, locked up, and was ready to go with the replacement of the rear pin, plunger and spring, plus the buffer plunger and its spring.

The aluminum upper receiver did not fare so well, it was cracked where the barrel extension attached to the upper receiver. Oh, I had to cut the barrel, forearm and gas tube off 6 inches in front of the receiver with a saws-all to get the upper apart. The barrel was bent in 3 directions and the gas tube, still attached to the gas block, was wrapped around the barrel.

If someone wants to know how tough your lower is and if your lower will take punishment, show them this picture.

-Ed H.

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#2291561 - 09/17/12 12:25 AM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: Hibs]
shankbone Offline
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Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 955
Loc: OR
Originally Posted By: Hibs
from New Frontier Armory on facebook...



CHECK OUT THIS PIC AND LETTER WE JUST GOT FROM A CUSTOMER TODAY ON THE DURABILITY OF OUR LW-15 LOWER. PICTURES ARE WORTH A MILLION WORDS!!

This is the result of running over one of my AR-15s with my 50hp tractor and a 6 ft Bush Hog. How it occurred is a long sad story, but of no importance to you.


-Ed H.


Okay, sounds like I won't be reporting any issues for awhile. I mean, I don't own a tractor let alone a brush hog, so no worries there.

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#2291600 - 09/17/12 06:48 AM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
reb8600 Offline
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Registered: 10/13/04
Posts: 10751
Loc: Morgan, Utah
If that was run over I would expect to see damage to the pistol grip as well as the scope. Scope looks untouched.

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#2291680 - 09/17/12 10:23 AM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
luder Online
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Registered: 01/07/04
Posts: 1149
Loc: Wisconsin
Yep would like to know that story,I would be sick. I have a new unfired nfa on a build, nice fit and looks good.

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#2291684 - 09/17/12 10:27 AM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: reb8600]
doggin coyotes Offline
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Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: reb8600
If that was run over I would expect to see damage to the pistol grip as well as the scope. Scope looks untouched.


Uh oh. We have a non believer among us. scared

I agree with ya. I've seen *stuff* after being mixed, churned, cut, slashed, battered, whacked, tossed and turned by the blades of a brush hog. That rifle/scope don't look like it has done battle with a brush hog.

But alas, the internet and facebook have made legends out of much less worthy items. smile
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#2291718 - 09/17/12 11:27 AM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: JoeBobOutfitters]
Heretic Offline
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Registered: 01/04/09
Posts: 2373
Loc: Las Vegas
Originally Posted By: JoeBobOutfitters
Originally Posted By: Heretic
The Generation II take down pins are available from JoeBob's and NFA direct.

A traditional LPK works just fine as well with their polymer lowers. LW15.com has the torture tests.


Just FYI, the GenII takedown pins are installed in ALL the New Frontier Complete lowers purchased over the last 6mo or so (serial numbers $2000+), so there is no need for the upgrade kit unless it's one of the original 2000.


Right, I mentioned it because he brought up the take down pins. Didn't know if it was one of the early ones.
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#2291741 - 09/17/12 12:08 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: reb8600]
HandCannon32x Offline
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Registered: 01/25/12
Posts: 414
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: reb8600
If that was run over I would expect to see damage to the pistol grip as well as the scope. Scope looks untouched.


Agreed.
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#2291760 - 09/17/12 12:47 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: reb8600]
JoeBobOutfitters Offline
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Registered: 07/01/10
Posts: 1774
Loc: Hays, KS
Originally Posted By: reb8600
If that was run over I would expect to see damage to the pistol grip as well as the scope. Scope looks untouched.


No offense, but I haven't run many firearms over with a bushhog (or any lawn and garden tool) and I doubt you have either. My GUESS, is that either the stock or barrel was sticking up slightly higher than the middle section (which would be around the axis of the blade, IE, no rotating sharp objects) causing the ENTIRE middle section (scope and lower) to be less "chopped" than the outer sections.

If the barrel got caught up mainly in the blades it would drive the middle and stock down into the ground away from the other side of the blade system. It couldn't chop up both ends of a rifle at the same time if the rifle is parallel with the blades, and the center wouldn't get chopped up as much either, IMO. It looks like the barrel got caught up, forced the rear of the rifle down, mangled up the barrel, and then spit it out. That's me thinking outside the mower box though.

New Frontier forwarded us on the email from the customer directly, so we have the customers email (he didn't buy the lower from us), so that does confirm his identity. There's no way that damage was caused by someone beating it with a hammer or going at it with a sawzall. Not sure if you were trying to imply a site sponsor was lying about their customer's claim or......?


Edited by JoeBobOutfitters (09/17/12 12:49 PM)
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#2291768 - 09/17/12 12:56 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
reb8600 Offline
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Registered: 10/13/04
Posts: 10751
Loc: Morgan, Utah
Didnt say anyone was lying. I stated that I would have expected to see damage to the scope. Especially with that much damage to the barrel. Looking at the posts, I am not the only one that thinks so.

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#2291785 - 09/17/12 01:21 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: reb8600]
JoeBobOutfitters Offline
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Originally Posted By: reb8600
Didnt say anyone was lying. I stated that I would have expected to see damage to the scope. Especially with that much damage to the barrel. Looking at the posts, I am not the only one that thinks so.


Understood, but you're a moderator... Are you suspect that they are lying? If not, I don't understand the comment.

It wasn't worded: "Wow, I'm surprised that scope didn't get damaged in that bushhog"

It was worded:

Originally Posted By: reb8600
If that was run over I would expect to see damage to the pistol grip as well as the scope. Scope looks untouched.


Which to me, implies they are lying?
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#2291794 - 09/17/12 01:38 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
reb8600 Offline
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It was a simple comment, dont put any more into it, there are no lines that you need to read between. Two other people also commented but because I am a moderator you put more into my comment than I said.

What does me being a moderator have to do with any of it? Does that title mean that I cannot make a post or a comment here? What are you implying with that comment? So it wasnt worded the way you want it. If you would like, I will go back and edit it for you. You are the one that is bringing up lying and accusing people (sponsors) not me or anyone else.


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#2291886 - 09/17/12 04:11 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
Boeydafunk Offline
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Registered: 06/28/07
Posts: 562
Loc: Henderson NV
Personally I would never buy a polymer lower.

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#2291889 - 09/17/12 04:14 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
3DHUSKER Offline
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Registered: 12/12/10
Posts: 1713
Loc: DownTheRoadFromKampKumbaya
Well I will say it because I HAVE ran over all kinds of [beeep] with a brush hog.

That gun does NOT look like it was ran over by a Brush hog. Damage would be unbleaveable.

Looks more like the barrel was ran over with a wheel of a brush hog. Just my OPINION from my time on one.



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#2292425 - 09/18/12 12:01 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
jrar15 Offline
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Registered: 01/05/10
Posts: 93
Loc: Missouri
I don't recall reading that they claimed the brush hog was engaged and running.

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#2292427 - 09/18/12 12:04 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
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Either way, the dang thing survived what many other parts didn't. Some folks are reading too deep into it.
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#2292429 - 09/18/12 12:10 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: jrar15]
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Originally Posted By: jrar15
I don't recall reading that they claimed the brush hog was engaged and running.


Well there you go... smile That makes it so amazing... LOL.... Looks like there is a big market for poly barrels as it is the part broken. smile

I want one of those super duper scopes. It is what is really amazing as the aluminum is not hurt one bit for being ran over "with a 50 HP tractor and a brush hog". What brand is it?

Yes, everthing on facebook is true and you HAVE to believe it... Right.. Don't get so upset when everone is not drinking your cool aid. smile
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#2292482 - 09/18/12 01:54 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
HandCannon32x Offline
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Registered: 01/25/12
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Loc: Iowa
Well, Either way if it was ran over or not, There is gonna have to be some work done to it before it shoots again, lol.
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#2292497 - 09/18/12 02:44 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: HandCannon32x]
JB55 Offline
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Posts: 325
Loc: FL, USA
And remind me again of the relevance of a review written by someone who admittedly has little to no experience with an AR. Bored? Nothing else to do? I'm sure the review will be loaded with info none of us had before..........and running over the barrel will be of utmost importance.
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#2295461 - 09/23/12 02:55 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: jrar15]
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Damage Testing The Polymer Lower AR-Bush Hog

Just FYI...for the resident expert bush-hog damage evaluators.
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#2297110 - 09/26/12 12:06 AM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: JoeBobOutfitters]
W.Hopmann Offline
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Registered: 02/22/12
Posts: 34
Loc: Texas, USA
Ney sayers beware. You could be looking at the next "glock". By the way...you can swap out the trigger with a metal one of your choice. And no, I don't work for or am associated with New Frontier.

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#2297452 - 09/26/12 08:41 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: W.Hopmann]
shankbone Offline
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Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 955
Loc: OR
Originally Posted By: W.Hopmann
Ney sayers beware. You could be looking at the next "glock". By the way...you can swap out the trigger with a metal one of your choice. And no, I don't work for or am associated with New Frontier.


Give me an hour and I will show you a picture of my cracked New Frontier receiver. I don't know all of the names of the parts, but the part where the buffer tube screws in cracked on me.

No, I was not using a brush hog at the time. smile

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#2297513 - 09/26/12 09:48 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
shankbone Offline
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Loc: OR


SECOND IMPRESSION

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#2297746 - 09/27/12 12:30 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: W.Hopmann]
3DHUSKER Offline
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Originally Posted By: W.Hopmann
Ney sayers beware. You could be looking at the next "glock". By the way...you can swap out the trigger with a metal one of your choice. And no, I don't work for or am associated with New Frontier.


Sir.. there is only one glock and lots of want to be. When I buy the next glock it will be a glock.

If I were in the market for a lower I woud buy the NFA billet lower.
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#2297759 - 09/27/12 12:52 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
HandCannon32x Offline
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Loc: Iowa
That is my reasoning for never buying a polymer lower receiver.
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#2298024 - 09/27/12 07:32 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: HandCannon32x]
shankbone Offline
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Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 955
Loc: OR
Originally Posted By: HandCannon32x
That is my reasoning for never buying a polymer lower receiver.


Well, that may be your loss. I have not heard of another New Frontier Armory polymer lower failing, which is one of the reasons I plan on ordering another soon.

As per the issue I experienced with the polymer lower: UPDATE!

I typed up an email and sent it to New Frontier Armory hoping that someone would be at the office today, even if the company is officially closed on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

By the time I returned from lunch there was a response waiting for me in my inbox! I am thankful for the support and appreciate NFA's willingness to assist and rectify the situation.

If anyone is hesitant to purchase an NFA lower, don't be. I read more positive reviews about their polymer lowers than I did negative reviews. Besides, this lower helped me zap my first three coyotes!

Thanks again. New Frontier Armory!


"We were unable to open the photo, but assuming the lower is cracked, please
send us the lower at your convenience (along with a hardcopy of this email,
and a photocopy of your drivers license), and we will replace it ASAP.
Please be sure to enclose a good shipping address, as we will send the
replacement directly to your home. We apologize for the inconvenience, but
we back our products 100% with a lifetime warranty, and will do whatever we
can to get you back up and running as quickly as possible. Thank you for
your business!"

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#2298101 - 09/27/12 09:17 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: shankbone]
Heretic Offline
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Being local to NFA, their customer service is excellent.

I'm betting the reason the lower cracked was some sort of molecular alignment problem caused by the non-believers position that Polymer lowers are baaad. smile

Just kidding! I have no idea why the lower would have cracked - only that NFA stands behind their products!
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#2298178 - 09/27/12 10:42 PM Re: New Frontier Armory Lower - First Impression [Re: Heretic]
shankbone Offline
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Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 955
Loc: OR
Originally Posted By: Heretic


Just kidding! I have no idea why the lower would have cracked - only that NFA stands behind their products!


Amen to that! I actually just talked my brother into ordering a NFA poly lower because I like mine so much (and the customer service is great).

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