No Live Ammo Allowed For Embassy Marines

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This is an absolute outrage. I am beyond pissed. How dare they put our men and women military members in harms way with no way to defend themselves. And you can bet your azz this goes all the way to the top. Someone needs to be held accountable for this now.


REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines
Marine blogs say U.S. embassy did not authorize service members to carry ammo

BY: Adam Kredo
September 13, 2012 4:40 pm

U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.

Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson “did not permit U.S. Marine guards to carry live ammunition,” according to multiple reports on U.S. Marine Corps blogs spotted by Nightwatch. “She neutralized any U.S. military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy.”

Time magazine’s Battleland blog reported Thursday that “senior U.S. officials late Wednesday declined to discuss in detail the security at either Cairo or Benghazi, so answers may be slow in coming.”

If true, the reports indicate that Patterson shirked her obligation to protect U.S. interests, Nightwatch states.

“She did not defend U.S. sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office,” the report states. “She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines.”

While Marines are typically relied on to defend U.S. territory abroad, such as embassies, these reports indicate that the Obama administration was relying on Egypt’s new Muslim Brotherhood-backed government to ensure American security, a move observers are questioning as violence in Cairo continues to rage.

Marc Toner, the State Department’s deputy spokesperson, did not respond to a request for comment from the Free Beacon. White House National Security Council spokesperson Tommy Vietor also did not respond to a request for comment.

The U.S. ambassador to any nation ultimately decides whether Marines are authorized to carry ammunition, according to a GOP national security adviser knowledgeable about American embassy protocols.

“In the end, the ambassador of any country has the final call on what to do in a country,” the source said. “The buck stops with you. You make every decision.”

Security procedures are subjective and subject to change depending on locale, the source said.

Each ambassador, in consultation with their Regional Security Officer (RSO), sets the policy regarding the rules of engagement, according to the adviser. The RSO is responsible for coordinating all security measures and reports directly to the ambassador in any given nation.

“A decision or order to set rules of engagement that you can’t carry live ammunition and can’t engage violent crowds climbing over your walls and tearing down your flag stems from direct orders from the Chief of Mission and possibly whoever the Chief of Mission reports to,” the source explained.

Given that the siege of the Cairo embassy unfolded over many hours, the source wondered if new orders pertaining to the rules of engagement were ever issued.

Ambassador Patterson was in Washington D.C. during the attacks, according to reports.

“I cannot believe that over an eight hour period that nobody … in that chain of command did not ask those questions of their superiors,” the source said. “These protestors did not just appear and within 20 minutes climb the wall.”

A Marine spokesperson at the Pentagon denied the Free Beacon’s report in a statement to Fox News.

Pentagon Lt. Col. Chris Hughes told the outlet: “The ambassador and RSO (Regional Security Officer) have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. No restrictions on weapons or weapons status have been imposed. This information comes from the Det Commander at AMEMB (American Embassy) Cairo.”

Several sources familiar with foreign embassies in international hotspots who contacted the Free Beacon said that the U.S. government often adheres to a policy of not permitting security officers and other personnel to carry loaded weapons.

Others indicated that in some instances, embassy personnel were prohibited from carrying weapons on embassy grounds altogether.

The Free Beacon will continue to update this report as events warrant.

http://freebeacon.com/reports-marines-not-permitted-live-ammo/
 
Well if that's the case then they don't really need the Marine's there at all. Just send them home so their lives won't be in danger. See if the Ambassadors like that.
 
Originally Posted By: jumprightinitWell if that's the case then they don't really need the Marine's there at all. Just send them home so their lives won't be in danger. See if the Ambassadors like that.

Might as well send them home, what good are they there anyway without live rounds. Besides being targets.
 
This is a disgrace to have people like this entrusted with the lives of our troops. Where was she hiding when [beeep] broke loose.... Wonder what she would say now.
 
Originally Posted By: mikeinlouisianaThis is a disgrace to have people like this entrusted with the lives of our troops. Where was she hiding when [beeep] broke loose.... Wonder what she would say now.



Quote:Ambassador Patterson was in Washington D.C. during the attacks, according to reports.

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Been screwing the Marines for a long time with stupid rules of engagement. The Marines at the gate didn't have magazines in their weapons during the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut in 1983, either.

Seems pretty stupid to give a guy a firearm to protect an asset, and then tell him he can't load it until he is actually being shot at...or in the case of the Marine Barracks, a truck full of explosives has already crashed through the gate.
 
Were I the marines on duty at that post, I would wait for Ms Patterson to return to the embassy. Strip her butt nekkid, throw her in the street and lock the gate. Then while the camel jockeys all had their way with her, I'd ask her if I could have my bullets!
 
Relax guys. According to the Marine Corp congressional liaison, marines guarding the American embassy in Egypt do indeed have live ammo...and plenty of it. It is best not to get important news that is gathered from 'blogs' and other questionable sources.
 
HB, do you ever get dizzy after all the spins you do? You appear to be a man with some education and I have doubts you yourself actually believe some of the mindless party drivel you spout out.
 
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