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#2284814 - 09/06/12 09:24 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
jglynn Offline
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Registered: 01/12/11
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Loc: Southeast Oklahoma
im going to be a millionaire!!!
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#2284834 - 09/06/12 09:56 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: cawilson82]
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Registered: 11/24/05
Posts: 490
Loc: Far from the crowds


You'd be suprised at what a small 20# terrier or two can handle. Breeding and denning is prime time to use a terrier for coyotes. You just have to know how to use them right. My terriers earn their keep during denning season.

I really don't understand how guys get all hurt when someone disagrees with how their dogs work. Too much drama. I could care less if no one here likes how my dogs work. If your dog works for you thats great, your the guy buying the feed and living with it. Getting all upset because someone called another guys dog a "catch dog" is crazy. Given enough time and coyotes in front of a dog, all will have the oppurtunity a couple times to lock up, it's part of the game. All my dogs are part catch dog, part decoy dog, part retriever, part bird dog, part cattle dog(except the terriers, those hard headed SOB's wouldn't work cattle if I bribed them with steak), part lap dog, part truck companion, part watch dog......you get the point. I wish I had room for 50 different "specialists" but the way it is I am always tight on kennel space and I need my dogs to be versatile to MY needs not a one trick pony. Even if it's the best trick you could imagine, they still need to be more and do more. Most of the breeds we consider traditional decoy dogs earned their keep by being a versatile dog first and a good coyote dog second.

Hope everyone has a good fur season. Still a great time to get out and get after the Young of the year coyotes while they are still uneducated.

Keep after them.

Tim
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#2284845 - 09/06/12 10:25 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
frankr Offline
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Registered: 10/20/08
Posts: 222
Loc: usa
Just my .02 on dog size.

It's all subjective

There are general rules of thumb but it will largely be determined by what you want/need.

I worked with the gov trappers for a few years and saw lots of dogs (heck hopefully this spring my new pup will be going with one for a month or two to learn from some older decoy dogs) and the size varied as much as the breed did. Guys ran dogs from 25lbs - 95lbs and I would say most averaged 50lbs but it wasn't set in stone.

Guys looked for certain physical traits but two things all of the dogs (except the biggest dogs and one mutt that was a short and long) had in common was speed and agility. I think if the dog is between 25lbs and 65lbs and can really move then you are doing great (as long as the temperament is what you want).

Personally I hope my pup is about 30-35lbs max. I don't want/need another big dog and a smaller dog for me packs easier and takes up less space in the truck.

As always YMMV

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#2284888 - 09/06/12 11:55 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: roode301]
UphillDoc Offline
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Registered: 02/24/03
Posts: 157
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: roode301
Well Nuts maybe on to something.New breed for coon or cats when they tree the dog can follow never know.


Something like this?

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#2284938 - 09/06/12 01:49 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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^^^^^^^^^^^ exactly.
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#2284981 - 09/06/12 03:50 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Yep that's it. Neat pic Doc.

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#2285008 - 09/06/12 04:32 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: yfzduner450]
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Registered: 03/28/05
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Originally Posted By: yfzduner450
Can't say Fred will be missed by me!!


Well he will be by a bunch of us. Freds about as good as they come!!
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#2285012 - 09/06/12 04:35 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: BOBTAILS]
btech29 Offline
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Registered: 01/17/11
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Loc: NW Arkansas
Originally Posted By: BOBTAILS
Originally Posted By: yfzduner450


Well he will be by a bunch of us. Freds about as good as they come!!


X2


Edited by btech29 (09/06/12 04:36 PM)
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#2285031 - 09/06/12 05:17 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
ARCOREY Offline
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Registered: 12/27/05
Posts: 4839
Loc: USA
Had several good dealings with Fred and learned a good bit from some of his posts. I don't always agree with him, but I don't always agree with anybody else on here either. Guess that's what makes this a forum and not a deaf pulpit wink. Sometimes agreeing to disagree is the only way to keep civility in a forum like this, especially when some minor spats become emotionally charged arguements based solely on personal preference. I've typed and deleted replies to posts half a dozen times before saying it isn't worth posting it and moving on. I'm probably as guilty as the next of letting my feathers get ruffled, but try not to post in haste. I think the backspace key should be used a lot more around here than the reply button when things start to get emotional. Hopefully Fred will be back in the future on good terms, if not, I know where to read his writings and know how to not read them if I don't like where they're headed.

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#2285049 - 09/06/12 05:46 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: ARCOREY]
BOBTAILS Offline
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Registered: 03/28/05
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Loc: In the sage
Originally Posted By: ARCOREY
Had several good dealings with Fred and learned a good bit from some of his posts. I don't always agree with him, but I don't always agree with anybody else on here either. Guess that's what makes this a forum and not a deaf pulpit wink. Sometimes agreeing to disagree is the only way to keep civility in a forum like this, especially when some minor spats become emotionally charged arguements based solely on personal preference. I've typed and deleted replies to posts half a dozen times before saying it isn't worth posting it and moving on. I'm probably as guilty as the next of letting my feathers get ruffled, but try not to post in haste. I think the backspace key should be used a lot more around here than the reply button when things start to get emotional. Hopefully Fred will be back in the future on good terms, if not, I know where to read his writings and know how to not read them if I don't like where they're headed.


Well said, seems when we lose people a lot of times we lose a lot of knowledge too.
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#2285051 - 09/06/12 05:50 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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Registered: 04/24/01
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I like the discussion on dog size, I'll start a new thread for it.Very interesting.
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#2285585 - 09/07/12 11:00 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
cawilson82 Offline
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Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 1983
Loc: tn
Hey jesse not saying you dont know anything that was was just my oponion on dog size. My dog weighs 30-40 lbs hes no nonster but hes no teacup either. But he can handle himself pretty well.


No doubt a 20 lb dog or TWO can handle not gettin killed by a coyote but not many 20 lb dogs wouldve come out as well as gunner did on that big coyote if they came out at all.


Im pretty new to the decoy dog game but have been been around hounds and stock dogs my whole life. So im no pro everything i think could be wrong.

John long live gunner

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#2285922 - 09/07/12 10:14 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: cawilson82]
J.W. Offline
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Registered: 11/12/04
Posts: 206
Loc: oklahoma
Originally Posted By: cawilson82
not many 20 lb dogs wouldve come out as well as gunner did on that big coyote if they came out at all.


I guess a guy can only hope his 20 lb dog is there to decoy and not run out there to fight like Gunner did.
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#2285945 - 09/07/12 11:01 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: J.W.]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Originally Posted By: J.W.
Originally Posted By: cawilson82
not many 20 lb dogs wouldve come out as well as gunner did on that big coyote if they came out at all.


I guess a guy can only hope his 20 lb dog is there to decoy and not run out there to fight like Gunner did.


This again who cares.

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#2285980 - 09/07/12 11:59 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
Coyotejunki Offline
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Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: MO
Originally Posted By: CAT DADDY COLD
got run off.


It's a shame. PM lost another good one.
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