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#2283416 - 09/04/12 10:57 AM Sorry to hear that Fred....
CAT DADDY COLD Offline
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Registered: 11/16/04
Posts: 1161
Loc: Comanche OK
got run off.
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#2283477 - 09/04/12 12:29 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
doggin coyotes Offline
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Registered: 02/18/02
Posts: 10539
Loc: Colorado
I REALLY hate to hear that.
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#2283480 - 09/04/12 12:35 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: doggin coyotes]
Workman Offline
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Registered: 07/17/06
Posts: 1592
Loc: Manti, UT
That's a bad deal....

Kelly, what's the skinny?
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#2283496 - 09/04/12 01:16 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
TonyTebbe Offline
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Registered: 10/31/03
Posts: 18681
Loc: Lovington, NM
????
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#2283514 - 09/04/12 01:42 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: TonyTebbe]
btech29 Offline
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Registered: 01/17/11
Posts: 1515
Loc: NW Arkansas
Hate to hear that. I like Freddy.
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#2283536 - 09/04/12 02:19 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: btech29]
Dasher Offline
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Registered: 06/16/07
Posts: 1066
Loc: Idaho
Didn't he go Elk hunting in Colorado?
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#2283564 - 09/04/12 03:24 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
jglynn Offline
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Registered: 01/12/11
Posts: 1787
Loc: Southeast Oklahoma
awww shucks!! what will we ever do now without his input??
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#2283627 - 09/04/12 05:20 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
trapper2 Offline
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Registered: 09/11/08
Posts: 2182
Loc: north central okla
yea kelly if fred got run off whats the deal?

jglynn, fred might come off alittle rough, but a person can learn alot from the posts that he gets involved in, i promise you that
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#2283636 - 09/04/12 05:29 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: trapper2]
emeraldterriers1 Offline
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Registered: 08/22/09
Posts: 697
Loc: kansas
Originally Posted By: trapper2
yea kelly if fred got run off whats the deal?

jglynn, fred might come off alittle rough, but a person can learn alot from the posts that he gets involved in, i promise you that


thats a fact... alot more than others rolleyes
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#2283648 - 09/04/12 05:42 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
Dead Down Wind Offline
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Registered: 03/14/11
Posts: 2639
Loc: Lakewood, Co.
Who is Freddy?
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#2283656 - 09/04/12 05:53 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
jglynn Offline
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Registered: 01/12/11
Posts: 1787
Loc: Southeast Oklahoma
i really dont mind if i dont learn from his posts. no offense, but i think there are better ways to talk to people than the way he does.

it just seems like everything has to be an argument and i dont deal with drama. it seems here latley that a thread can be going just fine and then a few people can come on here and totally screw it up and get a pi$$ing conest going.

he can blame it on being a new yorker, i will blame it on being inconsiderate and a drama queen.

just my opinoin. sorry

im sure he is a good guy in person, but his ediquite on here is not right....... that is why he is not here right now.
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#2283663 - 09/04/12 06:07 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Would that be Knockemdown screen name?

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#2283667 - 09/04/12 06:16 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
Yeah roode.

So anyone got the scoop on what got him pushed out? I know he is pushy, and a little over the top from time to time, But I have seen a lot worse happen here thatn what he has been doing.

Sure he may have been a little abraisive, but he always tried to make a point. Unlike some of us. (me) from time to time.
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#2283683 - 09/04/12 06:38 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: Jesse lackey]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Hey JESSE what part of mich you in.

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#2283694 - 09/04/12 06:46 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
trapper2 Offline
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Registered: 09/11/08
Posts: 2182
Loc: north central okla
jesse i was told it did not have to do with the hound forum.

people complain cause there was no traffic in this forum, well there been alot in the last week or so, fred always got people fired up and it lead to good info if people would read it, the problem is most people get their feeling hunt, i been in better arguments with guys i work with then the ones on here, and i know all of them, dang if a guy got their feeling hurt that bad around them they would laugh you under the bus.

jglynn, thats the problem, people take it personal instead of trying to learn from the posts, and believe me we can all learn something. the funny thing is theres folks on here that have owned decoy dogs for along time, their ones that have owned them for afew years and theres those that dont even have one, look back at the guys that always get their feeling hurt, most of the time its the guys that havent had them that long, and if the truth be known its probably because they think their dogs are the best there is and then somebody goes to talking about what they think is good and the guy gets mad and hurt feelings. bob has a qoute at the bottom of his posts, "a mans ego is a heavy thing for his dog to carry" or something like that, the funny thing is i have never seen on here where somebody said somebodys dog was a dink so kill it. some guys dont have time to put in to a dog to make it a super star, some guys dont have the dog to be a super star, who cares, dont get mad, just take your dog and make him the best you can and have fun. i have had some great dogs that i was proud of, but i got one here now that is the best friend i have but he aint the best dog i have ever had, and i will admit that. i am lucky enough to hunt with guys that will tell you just what they think of a dog, then tell you how to make him better, they dont mean anything bad by it, just helping a guy out, if everybody would read up and do afew of the things that have been mentioned in the hound furom people would read about more dogs that decoyed instead of just wooling dead coyotes around.
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#2283716 - 09/04/12 07:06 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
Rode, im north of Grand rapids about an hour. Central Michigan. Are you a bull fighter? If you have been doing it for any amount of time around ohio, you probably know me, or some of my family.

Ryan, i couldnt agree more. The biggest problem on here is the fact that Tony breeds and sells pups, and advertises. Let me re-phrase that. The fact that Tony sells pups is not a problem, nor should it be. The problem is whenever you have a guy making money, and being successfull, there will be a line in the sand. Those for him and those against him. That is the problem.

There is huge competition on here between Duane, and Tony, and none of it is caused by ether of them! I know both of them, and have talked long hours with both of them, and consider both to be my friends. Do they always agree on dogs? of course not. But they arent causing one another any harm, or causing the other to lose any business.

The problem comes when a guy like Fred watches a video, and doesnt like the way a dog is working, or the way that video is presented, says so in an intelegent maner, and all the followers of the op get riled up about it.

We will never all agree, and people are always going to have something they want to say. Good or bad. This is a forum, here at our disposal to learn from each other, and yes, bicker a little here and there. If a guy cant say how he feels about something then what is the point. If you dont want any comments along with the pics, then log on to Photobucket.
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If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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#2283719 - 09/04/12 07:08 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
The info is great but why do some have to be so smart mouth about it.The old timers i learned from when I started out never talked that way to people. If we were at hunt and somebody talked the way some do on here they would be drinking from a straw whe they woke up.

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#2283727 - 09/04/12 07:15 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: Jesse lackey]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
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Loc: western ohio
Nope not a bull fighter or rodeo guy .I was asking because we have a cabin in Indian River just seeing maybe if you were close is all.

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#2283731 - 09/04/12 07:18 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
oh, lol, thought it was you who had the avitar with the bull. sorry!

Indian river is a few hours north of us.
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If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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#2283743 - 09/04/12 07:26 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
That's ok

Boy I wish somebody was close to there when the fishing sucks.

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#2283745 - 09/04/12 07:27 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
u run hounds or what?
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If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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#2283749 - 09/04/12 07:33 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Use to not any more.Best to dogs got hit on the road because the blockers didn't do there job and I was heartbroken and swore it off now.

Heading to see Tony at the end of this month to pick up my new pup.

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#2283790 - 09/04/12 08:34 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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Registered: 11/12/04
Posts: 206
Loc: oklahoma
Fred is a good guy, I have hunted with him and he knows his stuff. Fred calls stuff like he sees it no bs .I hardly ever post on here but I do read often. And I have learned some things from this fourm and the people on it.I also don't claim to be an expert of any kind.When it comes to dogs or any animal for that matter I dont think there is an
expert,to me an expert knows everything, work with animals long enough and you will find out you can learn something all the time.

The biggest problems on here comes from the kool aid drinkers getting mad when the so called expert is questioned! Most of the guys who get mad don't even own a dog or have only had one for a short time and don't have a clue about what a good dog even is. People should question the so called experts on here and do some looking around at other people that have good dogs that work before you swallow everything you are fed.

Take care J.W.



Edited by J.W. (09/04/12 08:35 PM)
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#2283791 - 09/04/12 08:35 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
the impactzone Offline
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Registered: 02/04/12
Posts: 2297
Loc: texas
roodeo301,

keep your hand off my pup [beeep] it, it will be the female with ba11s, i don't care what color as you can't hunt color and color don't hunt.


Edited by the impactzone (09/04/12 08:35 PM)
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#2283792 - 09/04/12 08:35 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
DoubleCK Offline
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Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 3485
Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
Also sorry to hear we may have lost Fred, for now. I will still try to get a dose of KnockemDown and Pokey. Tucker and I consider them family.

This is a tough one and has been discussed here before. The hard part of this deal is to make it a place where most folks can be comfortable. I think it is counter productive to make folks feel uncomfortable here. Any folks. I believe this site should be for Pros, Rookies, Recreation Guys, Nons, etc. I like to see it as inclusive for all. I think there is a time to take it to the private message arena.

We all have different agendas here. Mine is to learn stuff and connect with the good, fun, friendly members to hunt with when Karen and I retire and hit the RV road. I believe that both of my PredatorMasters agendas can best be met when as many folks of all levels chime in. It's okay with me if others want to sell pups, videos, books, hunts, raffle tickets, etc. I may want to cough up some dough again! I do not feel the need to stick my negative nose in it. There's no money or fun in it for me.

For the last 34 years I have been payed to critique and teach. It's worked out pretty well. Not sure that every post here requires a critique, constructive or not. I feel there is a big difference between a celebration or promotional post and a, "hey I need help, what do you think post." We all know how useless unsolicited advice is.

I don't know all the answers, but I do know I am cautious about throwing my stuff up to get trashed. If I do post stories or my "trophy pics" it's only to celebrate. Not trying to prove anything to anyone.

I have learned and been inspired by you all and hope to one day meet you and your dogs and get the chance to see how you do it there. Including Fred!
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#2283802 - 09/04/12 08:52 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: the impactzone]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Originally Posted By: the impactzone
roodeo301,

keep your hand off my pup [beeep] it, it will be the female with ba11s, i don't care what color as you can't hunt color and color don't hunt.



Never had thought of touching your pup. Never seen a female with nuts and I don't want to either.

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#2283805 - 09/04/12 08:54 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
yfzduner450 Offline
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Registered: 07/07/08
Posts: 1584
Loc: West Jordan, Utah
Can't say Fred will be missed by me!!
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#2283812 - 09/04/12 09:18 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: yfzduner450]
doggin coyotes Offline
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Registered: 02/18/02
Posts: 10539
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: yfzduner450
Can't say Fred will be missed by me!!


Oh my! There's a shocker.
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#2283852 - 09/04/12 09:52 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: doggin coyotes]
btech29 Offline
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Registered: 01/17/11
Posts: 1515
Loc: NW Arkansas
I hope I never become a "dog man" or especially a "houndsman". Thats a title Ive come to despise.

If what we seen on that thread is "help" then I dont want any.
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#2283862 - 09/04/12 10:01 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: btech29]
UphillDoc Offline
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Registered: 02/24/03
Posts: 157
Loc: Idaho
I never have understood banning someone...its makes no sense.
If someone is posting things you dont agree with, then dont read/respond to them. Its a simple concept that always seems to escape the complainers.
I learn way more about folks when they disagree, then when they dont. If you want to really see what someone is like, just watch them in a pinch.
If you pay attention you can sort thru the BSers and the ball babies pretty quick.
If the only ideas you ever want to hear are the ones you already agree with, then you will never learn anything new. A group of friends that already agree on things, tellin each other they are doin it right isnt a concensus...its a circle jerk!
Society is already too full of folks that think everyone should make the team. Just because your momma thinks your great, doesnt mean anyone else will.
Folks say that they dont post because of the negative feedback...well, just as many folks dont post because they are afraid to offend someone if they disagree with a post. We should be able to give our honest input without worrying about not agreeing with everything. We should be able to make a post, and be prepared to explain/defend it, if need be. If you cant do that, than maybe your stance isnt near as strong as you hoped...or maybe its just a matter of someone thats still too green to not know what they dont know yet?!

Take care.



Edited by UphillDoc (09/04/12 10:09 PM)
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#2283869 - 09/04/12 10:06 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
trapper2 Offline
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Registered: 09/11/08
Posts: 2182
Loc: north central okla
oh doc, we shouldnt have to defend what we think, i mean really i read it on the internet so it has got to be true, but i cant tell you why its true, lol
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#2283879 - 09/04/12 10:15 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: trapper2]
Ricky Bobby Offline
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Registered: 10/04/10
Posts: 2908
Loc: southern illinois
Bring back Fred ... Bring back Fred ... Bring back Fred ... Bring back Fred ... Bring back Fred ... Bring back Fred

grin
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#2283888 - 09/04/12 10:24 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: UphillDoc]
DoubleCK Offline
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Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 3485
Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
Ryan, I understand what you are saying. But don't you think there is a big difference between helpful feedback and just trashing someone you disagree with? I don't keep track, but I do not recall a single post you have made (unlike many others here) that made me cringe and think, "Man that is out of line harsh, that's not helping anyone." I never see you singling out a member and just waiting to jump 'em at the first opportunity to "get even."

We have never met in person, but you have been consistently helpful to me. Always honest, but supportive. Always stating your opinion with respect and without the, "gotta get my revenge deal." Is it because you are never in a bad mood, always sober or is it an IQ factor? (-:

I believe those are reasons you seem to be universally respected here. Bad behavior need not be defended. Honesty doesn't have to be rude. Tough is not the same as ruthless.

It would be good if the rest of us could follow your example.
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#2283906 - 09/04/12 10:36 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: btech29]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Originally Posted By: btech29
I hope I never become a "dog man" or especially a "houndsman". Thats a title Ive come to despise.

If what we seen on that thread is "help" then I dont want any.




I forgot thanks for the help man.

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#2283914 - 09/04/12 10:39 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: roode301]
btech29 Offline
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Registered: 01/17/11
Posts: 1515
Loc: NW Arkansas
Im not much help roode, but your welcome. Ill help ya anytime I can. Good luck.
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#2283923 - 09/04/12 10:45 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: btech29]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Originally Posted By: btech29
Im not much help roode, but your welcome. Ill help ya anytime I can. Good luck.


Maybe in your eyes. Any time you want to give me your so called crapy info I bet I listen. Thanks Again

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#2283958 - 09/04/12 11:19 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
trapper2 Offline
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Registered: 09/11/08
Posts: 2182
Loc: north central okla
well craig it sure aint IQ or bad mood, cause i dont have a IQ and to hear my wife i do have a bad mood, ha. i am always sober, mostly cause if i drink i get so dumb i cant turn this thing on. yea i try not to trash someone but i will say at times its hard, i see guys get on here and tell people crap that they have heard or read from someone that probably didnt know what they were talking about either, then the person goes and does it and ruins a dog or something cause they believed somebody that didnt know what they were talking about. i got lucky when it came to dogs and grew up around some guys that didnt mind helping me, i know some guys didnt have that so they have to come to sites like this, just need to be careful and read back and figure out who knows what. on the other side of the coin i dont know [beeep] from apple butter about guns, i know i pull the trigger i want something to die, but i dont know all the in and outs of them, i go to the firearms forum and read alot but dont hardly ever post, i could get on there and retell how a 17 will shoot three miles but since i havent shot a 17 three miles i would be lieing, but somebody might believe me, and that seems to happen alot in the hound forum, i know alot of guys that read in here and never post what they think, cause i talk to them on the phone and hear what they have to say, the reason they dont post is if you say something that dont line up with afew views in here then the cheering crowd comes down on you. yea i have seen fred come across hard on somethings but i also know theres some history on some of it also. but like doc said you can learn alot about guys in a diagreement, i know i have in the last week. there some real good guys in here and some that i dont figure i could get along with that both know their stuff in here, i know i can learn from all of them, but i see guys post stuff in here that i know that dont have a clue about cause i can read about when they got their first dog and how long they have been using them. i see guys say this will work or that will work knowing that they havent decoyed enough coyotes to fill a gallon bucket and hadnt dug deep to see who knows what. i have never claimed to be a dog trainer cause i aint, but i do spend alot of time with dogs and try to show them as much game as i can, alot of people have called to ask me questions and i try to tell them what i have seen and if i dont know i try to send them to somebody that does, i could blow smoke at them and it would probably set them back along ways from where they are trying to get, but hay i would look smart, i think that happens alot in here.
i know you always say you do it for fun craig, and most guys are like that and i love to see the pics and read the stories, so dont ever stop putting them on here and when you hang it up and start traveling you got a place to stay here anytime.

point being, alot of folks sit on there hands and just dont say anything, and i dont blame them cause if you call bs on something you end up being in freds shoes, but there need to be more freds in the world, if there was i think it would make folks think alittle more about everything.
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#2283970 - 09/04/12 11:32 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
the impactzone Offline
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Registered: 02/04/12
Posts: 2297
Loc: texas
I will listen to anyone who gives advice or critique with respect to the person they are giving it to or about! then its up to me if I take it to heart or not
There is a line in my world that you just donít cross, and a lack of respect for others Is that line for me, on the internet or face to face. I try to be the man here I am in person, it just seems it easier for many to cross that line on the internet, Iím guilty when my buttons are pushed and I should know better and apologies if I have not respected anyone.
Sure I partake in the PU Cool Aid, Iím a Gunner fan and of Tonyís as well, but you will not see me going out of my way to trash another breeders or call makers product or dogs. (especially if I havenít hunted with either) I would think that Tony would be the first to tighten my Azz up if I was to do such a thing publicly. In my eyes doing so is counterproductive to their camp and adds nothing to the subject matter on these forums.


Edited by the impactzone (09/05/12 12:12 AM)
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lets change the game, put the Can on, turn the Lights out, and the Dog loose.

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#2283980 - 09/04/12 11:42 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
DoubleCK Offline
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Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 3485
Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
Thanks Ryan. Great points. Don't get me wrong, I have no hard feeling for Fred of any kind. I'm not sure what all went down here. I can't imagine it was about his posts in this forum. Just don't know.

I have really enjoyed knowing him here and I know where to go to hear more from him and I will. I have disagreed with him from time to time and always felt we agreed to disagree without angst. Besides, Pokey and Tucker are close cousins you know. Now days Tucker, not my wife, picks all my friends now days.
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#2283982 - 09/04/12 11:45 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
TonyTebbe Offline
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Registered: 10/31/03
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I don't know if Fred got suspended, banned, or what. I was a moderator for a few years, as well as, Fred was. Believe me, getting banned as a member takes alot. It's a vote that doesn't come easy and one that takes multiple warnings, over a period of time. Fred always had intention in his posts. Sometimes it wasn't very clear what his intention is, due to his method of delivery. But, I always tried to read between the lines and figure out what he meant. I based that on the fact that alot of good guys/hunters, that have spent time with him in the field, have all said he is a stand up guy.

If Fred got suspended or banned, I am sure that it had to do with ALOT more than his recent posts, the past week or so.

Tony
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#2283985 - 09/04/12 11:50 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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Seems to me getting banned here may be based on PMs with ADM and MODS more than open posts. I think I have crowed that line a time or two (classified ad forum issues, $$$ involved) and pulled back, cause I like it around here.
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#2283994 - 09/05/12 12:00 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
jglynn Offline
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like i have stated before. there is a way to disagree without being a total douche.

everyone on this forums knows that Gunner is a good dog and decoys well. he may work different than others' dogs, but he does it his way very well. we also have seen enough videos of him that we know that he does not make contact 99% of the time. but it is inevitable that it is going to happen from time to time as often as he is in the field.

now to get to my point. to get on here and call him out as being a catch dog or that he does not work right is downing him and TT as a trainer. just as he said that about anyone elses dog because the concept of a decoy dog is not to catch. so to me calling him a catch dog is disrespectful.

my point to him on posting a video was only this....

i dont have a decoy dog yet so i dont feel like i am qualified to judge one. if you wana come on here and call someones dog out and down him by calling him a catch dog or whatever, i would think that you would need to prove you are worthy of judging another dog. so i asked to prove his credentials.

i know there are guys that have great dogs that never post on here and dont have videos. but i am guessing that they wouldnt come on here and down someones dog either. but if they did and noone has ever seen proof that they knew what they were talking about, then people would want to see proof that they did know enoug to call someone out.

as to Fred, i have never one time seen him with proof that he knows enough about decoy dogs to call out Tony. the only videos ive ever seen him post was of his dog chasing squirrels. so that is why i was asking him to post decoy videos to prove he knew enough to even judge a dog.

i am not Tony's cheerleader! ive seen enough proof of him as well as others to know that he is a guy that knows what is going on when it comes to decoy dogs. there are several guys on here that i look to and read every post of theirs that i can so i can learn. Fred was just not one of them for the sipmle fact that i never saw proof of him being a great dog man. maybe he is, i was just asking for proof, thats all.

i think he was going overboard on pourpose and i think he went to an extreme.

and something else, i would almost bet my years salary that he would never talk to someone like that to their face. that kinda stuff would have a bad ending if so. i know for sure a few guys on here including myself that would prolly be in jail if he were to call us or our dogs out like that in person.
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#2284015 - 09/05/12 12:34 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: TonyTebbe]
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Originally Posted By: TonyTebbe
Believe me, getting banned as a member takes alot. It's a vote that doesn't come easy and one that takes multiple warnings, over a period of time. Fred always had intention in his posts.

If Fred got suspended or banned, I am sure that it had to do with ALOT more than his recent posts, the past week or so.

Tony


Very well said Tony...
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#2284042 - 09/05/12 01:53 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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Its easy to misunderstand someone on a computer and often times happens. But its easy to see a personal attack. Whether there is history or not we will not all ever know.

Am i a PU fan? You betcha but i also consider Tony a friend that has taught me more about coyotes and dogs than i couldve ever imagined.
I dont see a problem with questioning him at all but to make a personal attack on him was disrespectful . And anytime someone disrespects a friend of mine whether on the internet or face to face i will dang sure stand up for them.

Should Fred have got banned? As stated by Tony im sure there has been more problems than this one thread. If the moderators seen fit for it to be taken that far then I'd say so.

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#2284471 - 09/05/12 07:53 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: jglynn]
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Originally Posted By: jglynn
to get on here and call him out as being a catch dog or that he does not work right is downing him and TT as a trainer. just as he said that about anyone elses dog because the concept of a decoy dog is not to catch. so to me calling him a catch dog is disrespectful.



And then to quote TT

you should see Gunner catch jackrabbits.

Even bayed up a couple dozen that had no hole in them.

Gunner catches a missed coyote at the PM hunt this year.

The nighttime catching and baying solo...been there quite a few times with clients

He and Gunner caught a coyote that ran across the road on me, while checking traps this morning.

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#2284488 - 09/05/12 08:15 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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Those are my quotes Randy, but then again, I've showed a mess of video of Gunner decoying coyotes. More than all naysayer's video clips combined...times 10. So...I will call him the Versatile Coyote Dog. smile

To each their own, but I won't feed a decoy dog that won't put tooth in a coyote.

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#2284494 - 09/05/12 08:21 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
jglynn Offline
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Plus Gunner doesn't know a coyote isn't hit after a shot. He knows his job is to go get the yote after the shot whether it is dead or running off. And like I said 90 percent of the time I havent seen him make contact. It is going to happen from time to time!


Edited by jglynn (09/05/12 11:11 PM)
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#2284513 - 09/05/12 08:53 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
cawilson82 Offline
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Why does everyone use larger breed stock and hog dogs if theres never a need or worry to make contact? If such is the case go get a Chihuahua or yorkie.


Versatile is right. GUNNER can do it all and does a dang good job of it

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#2284577 - 09/05/12 09:48 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: cawilson82]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Originally Posted By: cawilson82
Why does everyone use larger breed stock and hog dogs if theres never a need or worry to make contact? If such is the case go get a Chihuahua or yorkie.


Versatile is right. GUNNER can do it all and does a dang good job of it


Im not taking sides here, and have no valuable insight ether way, but lots of guys are breading for smaller dogs, and some are using terriers.

But its as simple as Gunner works just how Tony wants him to, and they make each other happy. End of story!


Edited by Jesse lackey (09/05/12 09:49 PM)
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#2284593 - 09/05/12 10:08 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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Fred was not banned for recent actions in this forum.
As most of you know,(right or wrong) I will get in the middle of a guy when I think he needs it, and let some stuff run that others think should be "shut down" Everytime it has been worked out.
My point is that this is a place for discussion, sometimes I don't like how its going, some times I don't see a problem, and others do.I read the post in a thread, and do what I think is right. I dam sure don't have the answers, just trying to keep the forum running.
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#2284597 - 09/05/12 10:17 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
cawilson82 Offline
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But small dogs arent the norm and all it takes is one hard charger with no shot available and little dog is a coyote turd.

I see how a small dog could really have a place on stand. But breeding and denning season and all a guy is asking for is a dead dog.

Just like a ref you have to call it like you see it Duane. As long as your doin that your doin good


Edited by cawilson82 (09/05/12 10:20 PM)

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#2284607 - 09/05/12 10:32 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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Hey, i dont decoy, so like i said, i am no authority. Just lettng you know that some very seasoned guys are doing it. Maybe Mr Cat Daddy can step in here and add some info?
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#2284641 - 09/05/12 11:09 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
roode301 Offline
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It is kind of odd to me now it's poor Fred. He must have been told many times to watch it and did not heed the warning. So I say he dug his own hole.

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#2284650 - 09/05/12 11:20 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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It is wierd Caleb, it seems like if we think Gunner is a great decoy dog, then we are the minority here.lol.

Like i have said before. the proof is in the pudding. and TT has supplied enough pudding here to have a he!! of a wrestling match for 2 chicks in string bikinis!!!!! haha.
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#2284652 - 09/05/12 11:22 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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Roode301, I think your on to something. A guy rarely gets banned over night unless he's really looking for a fight. I would think he's had more then enough chances to cool it down.
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#2284668 - 09/05/12 11:33 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
jglynn Offline
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ agree 100%
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#2284672 - 09/05/12 11:39 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: jglynn]
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Hows that silly dog Nuts doing.

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#2284709 - 09/06/12 12:36 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
jglynn Offline
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Ol' Nuts is going to be a proudy daddy to some dog/cat mixes.lol. Haven't got an update in a few days. He has a list in front of him for training and I knew that before i took him out there. It was just the only time i could make the trip. He goes with Tony when he gets extra time. But as soon as he gets a few of the dogs goes home it will be his turn.
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#2284711 - 09/06/12 12:38 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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ok.... what it a TOS?? lol
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#2284782 - 09/06/12 07:49 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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Well Nuts maybe on to something.New breed for coon or cats when they tree the dog can follow never know.

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#2284814 - 09/06/12 09:24 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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im going to be a millionaire!!!
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#2284834 - 09/06/12 09:56 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: cawilson82]
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You'd be suprised at what a small 20# terrier or two can handle. Breeding and denning is prime time to use a terrier for coyotes. You just have to know how to use them right. My terriers earn their keep during denning season.

I really don't understand how guys get all hurt when someone disagrees with how their dogs work. Too much drama. I could care less if no one here likes how my dogs work. If your dog works for you thats great, your the guy buying the feed and living with it. Getting all upset because someone called another guys dog a "catch dog" is crazy. Given enough time and coyotes in front of a dog, all will have the oppurtunity a couple times to lock up, it's part of the game. All my dogs are part catch dog, part decoy dog, part retriever, part bird dog, part cattle dog(except the terriers, those hard headed SOB's wouldn't work cattle if I bribed them with steak), part lap dog, part truck companion, part watch dog......you get the point. I wish I had room for 50 different "specialists" but the way it is I am always tight on kennel space and I need my dogs to be versatile to MY needs not a one trick pony. Even if it's the best trick you could imagine, they still need to be more and do more. Most of the breeds we consider traditional decoy dogs earned their keep by being a versatile dog first and a good coyote dog second.

Hope everyone has a good fur season. Still a great time to get out and get after the Young of the year coyotes while they are still uneducated.

Keep after them.

Tim
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#2284845 - 09/06/12 10:25 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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Just my .02 on dog size.

It's all subjective

There are general rules of thumb but it will largely be determined by what you want/need.

I worked with the gov trappers for a few years and saw lots of dogs (heck hopefully this spring my new pup will be going with one for a month or two to learn from some older decoy dogs) and the size varied as much as the breed did. Guys ran dogs from 25lbs - 95lbs and I would say most averaged 50lbs but it wasn't set in stone.

Guys looked for certain physical traits but two things all of the dogs (except the biggest dogs and one mutt that was a short and long) had in common was speed and agility. I think if the dog is between 25lbs and 65lbs and can really move then you are doing great (as long as the temperament is what you want).

Personally I hope my pup is about 30-35lbs max. I don't want/need another big dog and a smaller dog for me packs easier and takes up less space in the truck.

As always YMMV

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#2284888 - 09/06/12 11:55 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: roode301]
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Originally Posted By: roode301
Well Nuts maybe on to something.New breed for coon or cats when they tree the dog can follow never know.


Something like this?

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#2284938 - 09/06/12 01:49 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
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^^^^^^^^^^^ exactly.
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#2284981 - 09/06/12 03:50 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
roode301 Offline
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Yep that's it. Neat pic Doc.

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#2285008 - 09/06/12 04:32 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: yfzduner450]
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Originally Posted By: yfzduner450
Can't say Fred will be missed by me!!


Well he will be by a bunch of us. Freds about as good as they come!!
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#2285012 - 09/06/12 04:35 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: BOBTAILS]
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Originally Posted By: BOBTAILS
Originally Posted By: yfzduner450


Well he will be by a bunch of us. Freds about as good as they come!!


X2


Edited by btech29 (09/06/12 04:36 PM)
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#2285031 - 09/06/12 05:17 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
ARCOREY Offline
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Had several good dealings with Fred and learned a good bit from some of his posts. I don't always agree with him, but I don't always agree with anybody else on here either. Guess that's what makes this a forum and not a deaf pulpit wink. Sometimes agreeing to disagree is the only way to keep civility in a forum like this, especially when some minor spats become emotionally charged arguements based solely on personal preference. I've typed and deleted replies to posts half a dozen times before saying it isn't worth posting it and moving on. I'm probably as guilty as the next of letting my feathers get ruffled, but try not to post in haste. I think the backspace key should be used a lot more around here than the reply button when things start to get emotional. Hopefully Fred will be back in the future on good terms, if not, I know where to read his writings and know how to not read them if I don't like where they're headed.

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#2285049 - 09/06/12 05:46 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: ARCOREY]
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Originally Posted By: ARCOREY
Had several good dealings with Fred and learned a good bit from some of his posts. I don't always agree with him, but I don't always agree with anybody else on here either. Guess that's what makes this a forum and not a deaf pulpit wink. Sometimes agreeing to disagree is the only way to keep civility in a forum like this, especially when some minor spats become emotionally charged arguements based solely on personal preference. I've typed and deleted replies to posts half a dozen times before saying it isn't worth posting it and moving on. I'm probably as guilty as the next of letting my feathers get ruffled, but try not to post in haste. I think the backspace key should be used a lot more around here than the reply button when things start to get emotional. Hopefully Fred will be back in the future on good terms, if not, I know where to read his writings and know how to not read them if I don't like where they're headed.


Well said, seems when we lose people a lot of times we lose a lot of knowledge too.
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#2285051 - 09/06/12 05:50 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
Duane@ssu Offline
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I like the discussion on dog size, I'll start a new thread for it.Very interesting.
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#2285585 - 09/07/12 11:00 AM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
cawilson82 Offline
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Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 1983
Loc: tn
Hey jesse not saying you dont know anything that was was just my oponion on dog size. My dog weighs 30-40 lbs hes no nonster but hes no teacup either. But he can handle himself pretty well.


No doubt a 20 lb dog or TWO can handle not gettin killed by a coyote but not many 20 lb dogs wouldve come out as well as gunner did on that big coyote if they came out at all.


Im pretty new to the decoy dog game but have been been around hounds and stock dogs my whole life. So im no pro everything i think could be wrong.

John long live gunner

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#2285922 - 09/07/12 10:14 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: cawilson82]
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Loc: oklahoma
Originally Posted By: cawilson82
not many 20 lb dogs wouldve come out as well as gunner did on that big coyote if they came out at all.


I guess a guy can only hope his 20 lb dog is there to decoy and not run out there to fight like Gunner did.
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#2285945 - 09/07/12 11:01 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: J.W.]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
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Loc: western ohio
Originally Posted By: J.W.
Originally Posted By: cawilson82
not many 20 lb dogs wouldve come out as well as gunner did on that big coyote if they came out at all.


I guess a guy can only hope his 20 lb dog is there to decoy and not run out there to fight like Gunner did.


This again who cares.

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#2285980 - 09/07/12 11:59 PM Re: Sorry to hear that Fred.... [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
Coyotejunki Offline
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Originally Posted By: CAT DADDY COLD
got run off.


It's a shame. PM lost another good one.
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