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#2282968 - 09/03/12 07:05 PM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
TonyTebbe Offline
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Registered: 10/31/03
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Loc: Lovington, NM
There is no faster way to lead break a dog, than to put it on a chain. Let them fight it...instead of you.

For young pups to learn how to range and hunt, I take them rabbit hunting. They learn how to get gamey, the gun, "sick" command, how to look for game, trail, etc... I haven't done it in a while and it shows with the ones that skipped this step in their training.

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#2283098 - 09/03/12 09:06 PM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
gonzaga Offline
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Registered: 01/22/02
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Loc: Raton, NM U.S.A.
BE CAREFUL OF PUTTING HIM ON A CHAIN. I just lost my dog to one mistake like that.
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#2283198 - 09/03/12 10:33 PM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
Im gonna have to dissagree with yfz here. I have seen it done plenty of times before, but usually you end up with a dog in a kennel and on a chain for the rest of his life. You will think he has the idea that he needs to stay in, and take him off the chain, and he is out again. You would think they would forget about escaping, but seems like no matter how long you leave them on a chain, they never forget how to escape.

I will try to get pics up of my kennel tomorrow. I use utility pannels. 5' x 16' 1/4" round bar. If a dog chews through that just shoot him and get a new one. lol.

My other reccomendation would be a small constant hot electric fence. put it about 4 inchis off the ground, and run it around the top as well so he doesnt decide to climb.
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#2287139 - 09/10/12 12:09 AM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
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Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 263
Loc: Manito, Illinois,USA
I've had dogs that chewed through chain link or would climb over it. My kennels are 6X12 on concrete so they don't dig out. I take a regular electric fencer an put hot wire around top and bottom about a foot high. This will fix the getting out. Will not effect the dogs hunting in anyway. Just keeps them where they belong.
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#2287215 - 09/10/12 08:50 AM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
frankr Offline
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Registered: 10/20/08
Posts: 222
Loc: usa
Bigtrucker -


The hot wire at the bottom is a good idea. We had a lab that would climb over a chain link fence and we had to put the electric wire at the top. I wish we would have thought about putting one also at the bottom though.

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#2288454 - 09/11/12 10:12 PM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
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I'm done beatin my head on the wall!!
I have nothing more to say.
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#2288562 - 09/12/12 12:06 AM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: Duane@ssu]
doggin coyotes Offline
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Registered: 02/18/02
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Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: Duane@ssu
I'm done beatin my head on the wall!!
I have nothing more to say.


Dang, was the thread that hard on ya?
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#2288616 - 09/12/12 01:58 AM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
Duane@ssu Offline
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Not that hard on me, just the same thing over and over and over, a guy can use whatever info he finds anywhere ,anyway he see's fit, or not at all, his choice.
I maybe should have worded it diff.
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#2289736 - 09/13/12 07:58 PM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
cjdavis618 Offline
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Registered: 05/28/05
Posts: 1001
Loc: Beebe AR
Not sure the issue here, but here is an update.

Havoc is doing great and I appreciate the tips. Unfortunately, chaining a dog up in this city is a trip to the court. Not to mention I live about 1/2 mile on the same road from the city animal control "shelter" which leaves my containment methods open for public view of the people that enforce it. he did manage one more dramatic escape from the old kennel. After we fixed the chainlink wire, I re-enforced the chainlink with a weave of 1/4" galvanized wire rope that I use for antenna tie down cable. We weaved the whole door frame, and then went over the top with rebar ties on each link to the frame. He couldn't bust that, so instead, he bit into the chainlink and cable and pulled the door at the bottom until he bent the door latch. So now, one side of the door latch is about 90 degrees from the other side. I wouldn't have believed it but the door was open the next morning.

As Trapper 2 said, we chose to go with the welded wire kennel with wire on top and bottom of the pen. He stays in there at night and during the day he is with me and in the other dog run which my other dogs stay in. My oldest dog (zach)has let havoc know he is in charge and during the day havoc is not a problem and doesn't try to get out. If he starts testing the fence, zach lets him know to find something else to do with a quick bark. We have watched over several days and he has not challenged again.

With the new kennel, we have taken extra precautions and made a 3 point door lock with category 2 tractor pins at center, top and bottom. He has tried to get out, but can't. Houdini has been beat.. lol Sleep much better at night now and he is even more happy to see me in the morning. As time goes on, i will just let him stay in the other dog pen, but taking my time right now. Taking him in the house isn't an option.

I have started taking him out back and using the live traps for nuisance critters and also have done a good bit of scent trailing with both coyote and bobcat scents. I leave him in the pen where he can't see me and then. I will drag it around through the tall grass and leave the drag at the far end and after a few days he is going 9-10 times right down the path I took with the scent and finds the drag. He also "Finds" every rabbit hole in the field.

Thanks for all the help and info on the subject. I never claimed to know anything, but learned a lot. Even if some think they weren't helpful.

I have never had the pleasure of having "pets", "family dogs" or any hunting dogs in my life time until I was fortunate enough to get Doc from Btech. Doc was a very docile and well mannered dog. Never an issue trying to get out of the yard but Havoc is a good bit more challenging. Although, he is not any trouble now that we have a routine that keeps him (and me) tired. He also learns the obedience commands and motions better after good long exercise and once the exercise and training routine for the day are done, he gets fed and praised. He is responding much better that way.
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#2289781 - 09/13/12 08:57 PM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
Jesse lackey Offline
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Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
be carefull how much you use drags, alot of times they will get to where they are just trailing you and not the scent they are supposed to be after.
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"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

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#2289954 - 09/13/12 11:38 PM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
jglynn Offline
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Registered: 01/12/11
Posts: 1787
Loc: Southeast Oklahoma
+1^^^^^^. i would wait a few hours after making the drag to let him out on the trail. it will give a little time for your scent to dissipate.
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#2290137 - 09/14/12 11:00 AM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
cjdavis618 Offline
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Registered: 05/28/05
Posts: 1001
Loc: Beebe AR
I do. I will drag the scent trail before work and then me and him will head out at lunch time or after work to find it.
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#3201942 - 04/22/19 05:15 AM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
jonyferhack Offline
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Registered: 12/24/18
Posts: 3
Loc: united states
I was too worried about my furry frind's safety while I am away but this best wireless dog fence saved my day.


Edited by jonyferhack (04/23/19 06:02 AM)

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#3218640 - 11/17/19 02:34 PM Re: The actual Decoy dog training of a dog. [Re: cjdavis618]
Dirtydude Offline
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Registered: 12/16/05
Posts: 109
Loc: N/E Worshington
We can't use them in WA with our liberal crap &(@*# anyways, I got some bird dogs with fantastic recall with just a tone on the ecollar,

I figure if they ever get into a yote while bird hunting I'll tone them back to me and defend them, might even carry some special shot shells for that

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