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#2280154 - 08/30/12 05:17 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
the impactzone Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 02/04/12
Posts: 2297
Loc: texas
I got your kill dogs hanging http://www.flickr.com/photos/25762480@N00/113165376/


never herd Tony rep Gunner as a kill dog, but as a decoy dog that from time to time will catch & kill and he's not the only one saying he is one of the best after seeing him work,

Don't know what that coyote weight was but I have stood next to Tony, and Gunner and i have shot plenty of coyotes over 50lb (weight on scale) and I'd have to say that coyote was way closer to 50+lb than 35 lb and the first coyote looked closer to 25-30 than 15 any day of the week.
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#2280156 - 08/30/12 05:19 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
TonyTebbe Offline
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Registered: 10/31/03
Posts: 18681
Loc: Lovington, NM
No problems Doc. On that one stand, we assumed it was hit and dogs baying. After we got to it, they had it dead and we couldn't find a bullet hole. Once we reviewed the footage on the TV, we saw that he shot high and missed that coyote. No biggie.

Proud? Yes I am. Salesman...yes I am. lol Again, I never stated Gunner is the best decoy dog, just the one that everyone who hunts with me falls in love and talks about. Lie....Nope. Never had to. I have had plenty of clients with me that watch Gunner catch coyotes day or night. Is it the norm? Nope. I'm proud of my kids, as well. Are the they best kids in the world? Probably not. smile

Thanks...Tony
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#2280199 - 08/30/12 06:04 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
roode301 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Tony what are the breeds you have and are any out of GUNNER.

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#2280278 - 08/30/12 07:40 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
TonyTebbe Offline
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Registered: 10/31/03
Posts: 18681
Loc: Lovington, NM
Blackmouth Cur/Texas Blue Lacy
Mountain Cur/Pitbull
Catahoula/Rodesian Ridgeback

None are out of Gunner.

For Gunner pups, I have 2 female Texas Blue Lacy cross pups and 2 female Mountain Cur/Catahoula cross pups. Gunner is the father of them. They will be ready to wean in Mid-Sept.

Thanks man.

Tony
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#2280281 - 08/30/12 07:40 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
knockemdown Offline
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Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 4744
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: TT
The stand went as planned. Gunner engaged coyote, pick a fight, then come running back to me...waiting with gun. Difference is, this dominate male jumped Gunner and a scrap pursued. (I despise the dogfight comment) When the coyote had enough and decided to leave, Gunner gave chase and scooped him back up for round 2. I called him off giving chase for round 3 and ended it with a bullet.


OK, but here's what really happened laugh

1. You called a coyote well into rifle range with Gunner sitting at your side. Effectively, there was zero benefit of having a dog on stand at that point. It came to your calling, not to Gunner, or any other dog that would have been sitting next to you.

2. Gunner goes out "to pick a fight", only problem is he gets one! That coyote didn't budge a centimeter and Gunner rolled into him thinkin' he'd be ragdolling another 20 lber. Only problem is that this coyote wasn't particularly impressed with Gunner's credentials and proceeded to take the fight to him!

3. Gunner realizes he can't overpower this coyote, so he whirls (TURNS) away. As soon as that happens, coyote retreats. (Remember, coyotes only fight when 100% necesary, fighting is NOT fun for a coyote and could mean life/death for them in the wild)

4. After gettin' a 10 second dose of reality, Gunner turns into a decoy dog! Classic chase, peel off and follow back. I think he did a great job after being spanked by that coyote.

5. Coyote comes after Gunner again, but he DOES NOT engage. Reason? He just got spanked the first time and didn't want anymore of Mr. Wile-E. Again, THIS IS GREAT DECOY DOG WORK now! Gunner is back in reality and acting like a good decoy dog should! Luring a coyote into range, not trying to kick the [beeep] out of one...

6. Gunner peels off and you make the chip shot.

7. After the shot, Gunner grows ballz again and proceeds to take his frustrations out on a now very dead coyote...

And there ya have it folks smile


BTW, don't gimme that you "despise the dogfight comment"! What exactly were we looking at if that wasn't a dogfight? Sure is wasn't much of one, but that was [beeep] sure a dogfight. And given the fact that you use that type of content to 'hype' your dogs all the time, I frankly find the fact that you "despise the dogfight comment" to be heavily steeped in a tall glass of hypocracy.

That said, I'll repeat again that Gunner did a GREAT job decoying AFTER he got a talkin' to from that pissed off coyote. Like I said, good thing ya shot him when ya did, because if another coyote showed up, Gunner woulda really had a chance to cur out...

Thanks again for the dogfight video smile

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#2280287 - 08/30/12 07:45 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: knockemdown]
UphillDoc Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 02/24/03
Posts: 157
Loc: Idaho
quote=roode301]Have any of you guys used them over here. If so what breed and when and where. The guys around here all run hounds and I don't think it will work but I may be wrong.Most of my hunting is at night but I was thinking. I think it will have to be a small breed because the coyotes are pritty skitsh around he with the houndsmen. I am open to any input or know how. Thanks Steve [/quote]


roode-Reread the last sentance in your first post "I am open to any input or know how" Maybe I misunderstood what you ment by that?
I must come off poorly, with all the feelings I seem to hurt. I just dont understand the logic in sugar coating it, when someone is asking for input. Perhaps from now on, I should just ooh and ahhh and tell folks what ever they want to hear?
I dont ever have hard feelings about things on the WWW. Why would I put much stock in what someone I dont know thinks about me? I not only dont know everything...I barely know anything!

Tony-Anything is possible I suppose...Im a big believer in "just because you havent seen it done, dont mean it cant be" I was just pointing out the video that you stated would prove it, did not to ME.
Again, be proud and rightly so. If he makes you and your clients happy than he is doin it right, for you.
I am curious...If Gunner is the dog you would lay your life down for, then why dont you get ALL your dogs from trapper2? Why cross him on different type dogs? Have you produced something superior to him?

Take care.
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#2280307 - 08/30/12 08:02 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
roode301 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Doc I understand what you are saying. But how much decoy dog work have you done in Ohio or east of the big river. I now the risk that is involved at night but not all of my hunting is going to be at night.

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#2280312 - 08/30/12 08:04 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
roode301 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Hey Tony! how about posting some pics of those cur cross pups.

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#2280328 - 08/30/12 08:23 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
btech29 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 01/17/11
Posts: 1515
Loc: NW Arkansas
Pure insanity once again.

Just one question, whay does YOY mean?
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#2280344 - 08/30/12 08:36 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: btech29]
Ricky Bobby Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 10/04/10
Posts: 2908
Loc: southern illinois
yeng or yang

grin
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#2280347 - 08/30/12 08:38 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
TonyTebbe Offline
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Registered: 10/31/03
Posts: 18681
Loc: Lovington, NM
Originally Posted By: roode301
Hey Tony! how about posting some pics of those cur cross pups.


Just check my website (www.PredatorUniversity.com) I have pics of most of them. I wouldn't want to post pics here and have them over analyzed. Hahaha smile And to think....Tanner Huff wondered why nobody posts in this forum.....duh!

Jeff, YOY means year old yote.

Tony
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#2280353 - 08/30/12 08:44 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
roode301 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
btech what is your in put? Do you have any advice I have seen your clips and you and your dogs look like they know what they are doing. Would you or have you hunted them at night or late dusk or early sunrise where you need any kind of false light.

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#2280354 - 08/30/12 08:45 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
YEP!! On my way there.

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#2280365 - 08/30/12 08:52 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
btech29 Offline
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Registered: 01/17/11
Posts: 1515
Loc: NW Arkansas
Thanks Tony, I kinda thought so but wasnt sure.

roode, Im on the edge of whats considered the east. My landscape is prolly much like yours. We are not allowed to hunt coyotes at night so I really dont know. I have zero experience.

I would guess a coyote is a coyote. Ive killed a 46 pounder here in Arkansas. I know several folks that have killed 40 plus pounders in Oklahoma. You dont really want your dog fighting one no matter how big or small it is. IMO. I wish I could help, but I just dont know.
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#2280396 - 08/30/12 09:10 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
roode301 Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Thanks btech I don't want a fighter or a killer either.I have a 51 lb male & 41 lb female mounted so I don't want a dog I spend more time getting him out of trouble than hunting. I want a smart good working dog but If he has to fight be able to handle it's self till I get there or one of my hunting buddies.

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