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#2278816 - 08/28/12 07:05 PM Decoy dogs in the east
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Have any of you guys used them over here. If so what breed and when and where. The guys around here all run hounds and I don't think it will work but I may be wrong.Most of my hunting is at night but I was thinking. I think it will have to be a small breed because the coyotes are pritty skitsh around he with the houndsmen. I am open to any input or know how. Thanks Steve

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#2278908 - 08/28/12 08:50 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
coyote1758 Offline
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Registered: 03/29/09
Posts: 489
Loc: nichlosville,ky
I have a mt. Cur in ky. And it works well for me. We cannot hunt at night.


Edited by coyote1758 (08/28/12 08:55 PM)

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#2279010 - 08/28/12 10:27 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
SHampton Offline
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Registered: 04/28/11
Posts: 1778
Loc: BAOklahoma
Takes a helluva dog to do you any good at night, the coyote would have to be upwind everytime so he could smell it, I would think.

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#2279020 - 08/28/12 10:34 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
cjdavis618 Offline
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Registered: 05/28/05
Posts: 1001
Loc: Beebe AR
I have had times where I wish I had a dog for recovery at night in Texas though. Not for decoy work. No reason the same dog couldn't do it if it had a good nose.


Edited by cjdavis618 (08/28/12 10:34 PM)
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#2279043 - 08/28/12 11:15 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Sorry post was a little confusing. I will be hunting with the dog not a night but during the day.

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#2279044 - 08/28/12 11:16 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
Duane@ssu Offline
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Loc: Gods Country
There are guys back east using dogs at night with fair success.You just need to find the right dog. it is a rare dog that can get it done, but they are around.
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#2279051 - 08/28/12 11:19 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: Duane@ssu]
cjdavis618 Offline
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Registered: 05/28/05
Posts: 1001
Loc: Beebe AR
I'm new to decoy dogs overall compared to these guys, but absolutely you can use them in the east.
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#2279159 - 08/29/12 07:44 AM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
So what kind of dogs are you guys using or what breed do you think would be good.

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#2279178 - 08/29/12 08:51 AM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
knockemdown Offline
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Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 4744
Loc: NY
Find the right coyotes at the right time of year, and you'll have action!
I do feel it would be wise to consider if you have houndsmen in your are running the coyotes with trailhounds. That tends to make them not want to engage a dog, especially in the daytime, IMHO. These guys use trailhounds, not sighthounds where a coyote can duck for cover and lose them. So the races are long and the coyotes tend to not forget the negative association with a dog in their vicinity.
I had some guys start running in my calling area last year, and the coyotes reaction to my dog on stand went to complete chit. Called in about a dozen coyotes in the day (thats ALOT for here) and every dang one I saw turned inside out soon as the dog took a single step toward them. Not blaming the houndsmen, I have friends who run and can appreciate the sport, just sharing how it is in my area now. Still hope I can get a few to play this year!

I've also taken my cur at night a few times when he was a pup, but it has gotten hairy, VERY quick. I could not reasonably control the situation alone with dog, ecollar remote, light, gun & caller at the same time. And after the dog got in the woods with a bunch of coyotes, things got crazy. I've actually had to go running into the woods to scare off a pack of coyotes that had my pup bayed up & surrounded. I chit you not. "Toning" back doesn't work if your dog is bayed up!

Now that he's fully mature, I have alot more confidence in him handling himself, but the thought of 3-6 40+ lb. coyotes against a 48 lb. cur is still not good odds. Guys out west running 45-90 lb. dogs on 20-25 lb. coyotes might not fully appreciate the gravity of that potential situation.

I reckon your Ohio coyotes might get pretty big, too, so if ya do try it, BE CAREFUL.
Our coyotes here are larger & more pack oriented, so when the action heats up, your dog will be dealing with a much more formidable adversary! And too gritty a dog will wind up in the hole you'll have to dig to put what's left of him. I hunt for FUN, so I err on the side of caution with my dog.

Here's a body size comparison of my cur to an adult male he decoyed in PA last August:


you can see the same correlation to 1758's photos above of his KY coyotes!

That's my $.02, and prolly ain't worth 1/2 that on the street wink

good luck & have fun!

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#2279183 - 08/29/12 09:00 AM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: knockemdown]
cjdavis618 Offline
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Registered: 05/28/05
Posts: 1001
Loc: Beebe AR
Great info.....
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#2279504 - 08/29/12 06:35 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
TonyTebbe Offline
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Registered: 10/31/03
Posts: 18681
Loc: Lovington, NM
I use Gunner and/or a couple of my other dogs at night. You can get some serious decoying action in the dark. Coyotes are alot more bold, chase and yell at the dog at night, moreso than during the day. That being said, it takes a confident dog to handle coyotes in the darkness. Recovery work at night....you can't beat a dog. We lost 8 out of 12 coyotes one night, just do to not being able to find them with the flashlight. That was before I had a dog. Now....if they are leaking, they will be found. Even bayed up a couple dozen that had no hole in them.

Hope that helps...

Tony
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#2279599 - 08/29/12 09:04 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Thanks for all the help and info guys.What would a started dog from you guys that train and breed cost in a round about number.

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#2279605 - 08/29/12 09:08 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
coyote1758 Offline
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Registered: 03/29/09
Posts: 489
Loc: nichlosville,ky
X2 what knockemdown posted,well stated

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#2279608 - 08/29/12 09:13 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
cjdavis618 Offline
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Registered: 05/28/05
Posts: 1001
Loc: Beebe AR
Originally Posted By: roode301
Thanks for all the help and info guys.What would a started dog from you guys that train and breed cost in a round about number.


To be honest, the money isn't much for what you get. The ability to hunt with a good partner and have him always there to increase your odds are priceless.

Trust me, I have spent way more money on less useful things. unsure I should have started with the dogs...


Edited by cjdavis618 (08/29/12 09:13 PM)
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#2279615 - 08/29/12 09:17 PM Re: Decoy dogs in the east [Re: roode301]
roode301 Offline
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Registered: 11/22/11
Posts: 1424
Loc: western ohio
Knockemdown is wright our coyotes are bigger here than out west and that is what kind of concerns me.

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