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A topic for discussion...
 
Recently I was reading an article on the Obama Campaign and it's electing the Campaign Slogan "Forward". Innocent enough everyone says, HB will commend it and try to explain it away, I'm sure, however...

There was one gentleman who pointed out a page or two on Wikipedia covering this topic that are somewhat interesting. More interesting yet is the fact that we know the money behind Wikipedia, is also behind Obama, and now mysteriously, one of these pages is the topic of discussion for removal from Wikipedia, many many months after its inception suddenly.

For posterity's sake, we're going to preserve it here for contemplation and discussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(generic_name_of_socialist_publications)

Quote:Forward (generic name of socialist publications)

In the English translation, the term Forward has been used as an effective title for socialist and politically left-leaning periodical publications.[1][2] The context of the title connotes an "urge for progress".[3] Vorwärts! (German for 'Forward', with an exclamation point as part of the name) was a revolutionary German emigré publication issued in Paris in the mid-1840s. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were amongst the contributors to the magazine. Whilst the publication was short-lived, it had a lasting impact and served as an inspiration for later socialist press outlets. A second Vorwärts (without exclamation point) was founded in 1876, being an organ of the Social Democratic Party of Germany and with Wilhelm Liebknecht as its first editor.[4] In the years before the First World War, the term 'vorwärts' was almost monopolized in German political discourse by the Social Democrats, and the name was used for various publications and organizations.[5]

The German Vorwärts inspired socialists around the world.[6] The Yiddish daily Forverts, founded in New York in 1897, was named after the German publications (which were well-known amongst Jewish radical circles at the time). Rather than using the Yiddish word faroys, a transliteration of the German name was used.[4] Another prominent example has been Vpered (Russian language for 'Forward'), the publication that Lenin started after having resigned from the Iskra editorial board in 1905 after a clash with Georgi Plekhanov and the Mensheviks.[1] The name did however fall out of fashion in Russia after the October Revolution. A Volga German Bolshevik newspaper named Vorwärts was re-baptized Nachrichten as the Soviet leadership wished to avoid associations with the German Social Democratic organ.[7] The Liverpool Forward was published from 1912 to 1914 in Liverpool, United Kingdom.[8] In 1962, the Burmese Ministry of Information began the publishing of a weekly news magazine Forward in English language after having started a similar magazine in Burmese three months earlier..[9]

The discussion on this topic is interesting to say the least, if you go to the page, and click on the links there for discussion on removing the article, it opens the Wikipedia Contributor's discussion on the page. And, yes it does elude to the fact that the page was found harmless until Obama elected this campaign slogan, after which insults are hurled concerning racism, favoritism, politics, etc. etc.

The fact remains that there are other pages on Wikipedia pointing to a large part of this. If you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward and scroll down to the politics section, you will find at least one or two, and someone had included an Obama page as well. Of specific concern there would be the definitions presented on the following pages for sure...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(generic_name_of_socialist_publications)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(Greenland)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_league_VPERED

And, while it might seem disinteresting to begin with, one might also read this page...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadima

... before writing it off entirely. While I would like to think that if Obama's campaign managers were looking to previous Forward Campaign Slogan's, this one might be their supposed model, even this one looks like he could be playing to the labor unions.

Obama's own Forward page on Wikipedia has also been locked down, while the dispute on the other page rages on. And, it too is slated for deletion, however the lack of anything intelligent there would certainly be the reason why.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(Obama-Biden_Campaign_Slogan)


Considering the current administration's leanings toward socialism these findings and the fact that the liberal editors at Wikipedia are trying to bury a lot of things here, to me looks a little fishy!

What do you guys think??





 
Taking this a step further...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Socialist_Movement

The Socialist Movement VPERED, has reorganized as well, and is now the Russian Socialist Movement, and while it is not a member of Socialist International, it has heavy ties to the International Socialist Movement...

Quote:It is the Russian section of the reunified Fourth International.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reunified_Fourth_International


Quote:Today, the International is regarded by some other Trotskyist groups, including the IST and CWI,[citation needed] as the largest and most widespread Trotskyist international tendency, including sections and sympathizing groups in over 60 countries. While other substantial international Trotskyist groupings and large national organisations exist, none claim to be larger than the Fourth International.

60 countries, including the US! Where we find the Fourth International Caucus, which it appears no one wants to expand on at Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International_Caucus_(USA)




However...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_of_Germany

If we look at the German Socialist Party, we find it evolved into the Social Democratic Party of Germany, a member of Socialist International.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(Greenland)

If we look at the Social Democratic Party in Greenland, we find that it too is a member of Socialist International.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_International

Socialist International takes on a certain interesting twist also in that...

Quote:Among the Second International's most famous actions were its 1889 declaration of 1 May as International Workers Day...

Oddly enough the day Occupy, elected to march all over America.

Yet, not so odd when you view the following page on Wikipedia and find that Occupy Protestors were previously photographed carrying a great big Democratic Socialist of America banner in Occupy protests, the US chapter of Socialist International.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America



At any rate, certain things come back to bite one in the asssss at the point that we find...

Quote:The DSA's leadership believes working within the Democratic Party is necessary because of the nature of the American political system, which rarely gives third parties a chance politically. That said, DSA is very critical of the corporate-funded Democratic Party leadership.[10] The organization believes that


"Much of progressive, independent political action will continue to occur in Democratic Party primaries in support of candidates who represent a broad progressive coalition. In such instances, democratic socialists will support coalitional campaigns based on labor, women, people of color and other potentially anti-corporate elements... Electoral tactics are only a means for democratic socialists; the building of a powerful anti-corporate coalition is the end..."[11]

Isn't it odd how many of those anti-corporate elements Obama has picked apart and courted prior to his campaign?


OK HB you can maybe argue where the "Forward" campaign came from up to that point! From here forward, you need to go crawl back under your rock, because....

Quote:In 2008, the DSA supported Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama in his race against Republican candidate John McCain. Following Obama's election, many on the right,[15] began to allege that the policies of his administration may be "socialistic," a claim rejected by DSA and the Obama administration alike. The widespread use of the word "socialism" as a political epithet against the Obama government by its opponents caused National Director Frank Llewellyn to declare that "over the past 12 months, the Democratic Socialists of America has received more media attention than it has over the past 12 years."



Isn't it funny how every time Barack Hussein Obama does something seemingly innocent in nature, it appears there is always a hidden reason behind it.


As Paul Harvey used to say.... And, now you know the rest of the story!


 
Aren't we risking premature detection of our agenda by choosing that slogan so soon? Perhaps it's safe to begin openly touting the drastic changes to come? Like most conspiracy theories, this convoluted reasoning requires considerable explanation. I'm going back under the rock to avoid the inevitable rioting and unrest.
 
Funny, Obama's mother is a Communist (known fact). Obama's father was a Communist (known fact). Obama's Stepfather is a communist (fact again). Obama's WIFE is a communist (also a known fact). Obama's mentor in school was a Communist, as was the supervisor at his first "job" during that time (both facts). Even his professor that he most likes was a Communist (as stated by Obama himself and also corroborated fact). So tell be again how he, whom has learned all he knows about government in the folds of these people, and whom never hesitated to cheer on a Communist Rally when he was there, is NOT a Communist?? I don't see it..

I heard this on the radio again this morning (knew it already from when he was running and I wanted to learn more about him so that I could effectively cast my vote-heaven knows the conservatives had nothing and the libertarians did not either).

I did not vote for Obama, as I knew what he was when that time came. I also think that if we get another 4 years of this guy, there is going to be blood in the streets someplace in the US, and maybe many places, when they get the nerve to REALLY get into our lives. People need to wake up.

The Socialists and Communists are here and in the White House. The USSR is about to reform, and Europe is in horrible shape. Asia is in horrible shape. The Middle East (as always) is in horrible shape. Australia is going Socialist in some policies last I saw. I think Antarctica is about the only continent without communism ruling it at this point! The bull that Russia is spouting about not wanting the anti ballistic missile shield in the area near them is going to escalate even more, as Obama will have a hard time relieving pressure against the Soviets and still playing as if he is not in league with them. The system is not even going to affect Russia that much.

It supposedly will prevent them from getting trigger happy against Europe if we are able to shoot whatever missiles they could launch down, assuming any still work, but more, prevents countries in Asia, the Middle East, and the Eastern Bloc from getting frisky with Europe proper.

I think the Russians are working on something with the Arabian politicos, particularly Iran, China, and Pakistan, and that shield will keep Iran from shooting into Europe, if it works. I think Russia wants Iran to do something, or at least Iran is paying Russia to raise [beeep], one or the other, but we shall soon see. The elections here are coming up!
 
Originally Posted By: HunterBear71Aren't we risking premature detection of our agenda by choosing that slogan so soon? Perhaps it's safe to begin openly touting the drastic changes to come? Like most conspiracy theories, this convoluted reasoning requires considerable explanation. I'm going back under the rock to avoid the inevitable rioting and unrest.


Actually no, because the Democratic Party has everyone in it's midst so brainwashed that they all argue it is utter nonsense, as half a dozen people did on the board where I encountered this discussion initially. I believed it when it was posted, and having now researched it, I'm even more convinced!
 
If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and hangs out with other ducks...guess what it is a duck.

And all the scrubbing & selective edits or what have you will not erase that fact.

T2G
 
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Gettin close dawg... It's getting very close!

Unemployment 1933 = 24.9%
Unemployment 2012 = 17% - 18% Pretty much...

8% Unemployed + 8% jobless + however many are currently seasonally adjusted out by the government bookkeepers to make it look good for the current administration.
 
The argument seems to be that Barack hasn't repaired the Republican mess fast enough. The economy is recovering and now is not the time to return to the failed policies that created the debacle.
 
Originally Posted By: HunterBear71The argument seems to be that Barack hasn't repaired the Republican mess fast enough. The economy is recovering and now is not the time to return to the failed policies that created the debacle.

There ya go again, HB.
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Originally Posted By: HunterBear71The argument seems to be that Barack hasn't repaired the Republican mess fast enough. The economy is recovering and now is not the time to return to the failed policies that created the debacle.


The economy is recovering???

Unemployment is still higher than it was 4 years ago, and not by a little, by a lot. It's just covered up by not reporting the jobless. Gas prices are double what they were 4 years ago. National debt has increased 50%. The housing market has not rebounded in most parts of the country; only in a select few. The stock exchange has only settled because everyone has realized that the entire world is so far in debt that it can't recover, so everyone doesn't blow a gasket speculating every time someone mentions another economy about to fall apart. I really don't know where you see it HB? The economy isn't recovering, we're simply getting used to it, in its falling apart state!


And, the argument isn't that Obama hasn't fixed the Reublican mess fast enough, it is that he compounded and added to the mess that was there to begin with. [beeep] they haven't approved a budget since he took office, let alone balanced one! And, before you try to blame that on the Republicans, if Obama were truly a worthy leader, the Republicans would follow his lead. He is not however a leader, he never has been a leader, and he has proven as much. He has attempted to DEMAND respect, and you can't do that, you have to earn respect, which he hasn't.
 
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