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#2208053 - 04/27/12 12:58 PM Government gone wild
hm1996 Offline
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#2208056 - 04/27/12 01:11 PM Re: Government gone wild [Re: hm1996]
HunterBear71 Offline
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I was expecting more partisan rhetoric. The video reveals some very disturbing facts.

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#2208426 - 04/28/12 12:36 AM Re: Government gone wild [Re: HunterBear71]
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Definitely disturbing facts!!
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#2208464 - 04/28/12 05:18 AM Re: Government gone wild [Re: Rocky1]
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Actually it is misleading, it leads one to think the federal government has expanded totally uncontrolled in the number of employees. When in reality the federal workforce has remained fairly consistent around 4.1 to 4.4 million employees for the last 10 years.

The figures also include the number of service members in the military and the number of employees of Congress. Taking out the military and congressional staff the numbers would be 2.6 to 2.8 million for the last 10 years.

The totals represented in the report must be for all government employees. Everybody from the garbage men on the city payroll to the fireman, teachers, LEO's all the way to the state governors and legislatures.
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#2208465 - 04/28/12 05:19 AM Re: Government gone wild [Re: Rocky1]
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Actually it is misleading, it leads one to think the federal government has expanded totally uncontrolled in the number of employees. When in reality the federal workforce has remained fairly consistent around 4.1 to 4.4 million employees for the last 10 years.

The figures also include the number of service members in the military and the number of employees of Congress. Taking out the military and congressional staff the numbers would be 2.6 to 2.8 million for the last 10 years.

The totals represented in the report must be for all government employees. Everybody from the garbage men on the city payroll to the fireman, teachers, LEO's all the way to the state governors and legislatures.
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#2208523 - 04/28/12 11:04 AM Re: Government gone wild [Re: dogcatcher]
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Explains why both parties frown on the TEA party.

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#2208530 - 04/28/12 11:25 AM Re: Government gone wild [Re: dogcatcher]
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Misleading in some respects...


While the numbers of government employees have remained fairly constant for several decades, and are in fact down a bit at present, if you look at the number of government employees over the last 10 years, he's probably correct on the increase there.

Federal Employment Chart - Historical Data

Numbers are up 7.5% from 2000 to 2010, and the 2000 and 2001 numbers include temporary census employees as well. Remove those temporary employees, tack on the 5000+ IRS employees added to initially implement Obamacare, and you're probably looking at close to 15% percent by the end of 2012, early 2013.

While Federal Numbers are expected to remain about the same at present, expenditures are going up as a result of Pay Raises for Federal Employees.

Federal employees to receive pay raise during election year.


And all of that don't sound too bad until you look at the little chart on that page that shows you how much the government is taking in, and how much it if spending!

Federal Budget Chart

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#2208540 - 04/28/12 11:42 AM Re: Government gone wild [Re: Rocky1]
dogcatcher Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rocky1
Misleading in some respects...

Numbers are up 7.5% from 2000 to 2010, and the 2000 and 2001 numbers include temporary census employees as well. Remove those temporary employees, tack on the 5000+ IRS employees added to initially implement Obamacare, and you're probably looking at close to 15% percent by the end of 2012, early 2013.


If the increase from 2000 to 2010 is about 137,000, and that is about a 7% increase, how can an additional 5000 be 15%? Talk about misleading.
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#2208556 - 04/28/12 12:17 PM Re: Government gone wild [Re: dogcatcher]
Rocky1 Offline
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Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
Originally Posted By: Rocky1
Misleading in some respects...

Numbers are up 7.5% from 2000 to 2010, and the 2000 and 2001 numbers include temporary census employees as well. Remove those temporary employees, tack on the 5000+ IRS employees added to initially implement Obamacare, and you're probably looking at close to 15% percent by the end of 2012, early 2013.


If the increase from 2000 to 2010 is about 137,000, and that is about a 7% increase, how can an additional 5000 be 15%? Talk about misleading.



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Numbers are up 7.5% from 2000 to 2010, and the 2000 and 2001 numbers include temporary census employees as well. Remove those temporary employees, tack on the 5000+ IRS employees added to initially implement Obamacare, and you're probably looking at close to 15% percent by the end of 2012, early 2013.



Who's misleading who? I plainly stated that if you TOOK OUT THE TEMPORARY CENSUS EMPLOYEES and ADDED IN THE ADDITIONAL IRS EMPLOYEES, that it would probably be close to 15%. Since you seem to want to get into a pissin match about it however, the census employs in excess of a half million temporary employees at the height of their data collection, and that would be a far greater increase than 15% if you removed them all from 2000 numbers, in fact it would be an increase of nearly 30% from 2000 to 2010, and that doesn't include the 5000 additional IRS employees.

I however don't have the data to determine what specific number of census employees were used in the number of Federal Employees in that chart, so I based my assumption on an average or low number for census employees, assuming that the census employment high should reflect a significant spike in the Federal Employment numbers for 2000 - 2001 otherwise. And, the chart seems to reflect a insignificant deviation from employees the years before and after those 2 years in question. If you can provide me with the precise number of employees that were considered temporary in that chart, since the footnote clearly indicates those people were factored in, I'll be more than happy to do math accurately enough to meet your satisfaction.
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#2208565 - 04/28/12 12:43 PM Re: Government gone wild [Re: Rocky1]
dogcatcher Offline
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The census employees are included in the chart, I did not delete or add them, and have no clue as to why you want to.

From your link
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Includes temporary employees for the decennial census.


The increase from 2000 to 2010 was 137,000 federal employees, that inlcudes the census and all other federal employees. By your computation that was 7%, then you claim add in the 5000 new IRS employees would make it over 15%. No way!
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#2208613 - 04/28/12 02:51 PM Re: Government gone wild [Re: dogcatcher]
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Here's a few more you can add to the list

chaperones
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#2208637 - 04/28/12 03:29 PM Re: Government gone wild [Re: larr]
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Hilarious. Bed check at 10 pm. But, who will chaperone the chaperones?
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#2208707 - 04/28/12 06:17 PM Re: Government gone wild [Re: dogcatcher]
Rocky1 Offline
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Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
The census employees are included in the chart, I did not delete or add them, and have no clue as to why you want to.

From your link
Quote:
Includes temporary employees for the decennial census.


The increase from 2000 to 2010 was 137,000 federal employees, that inlcudes the census and all other federal employees. By your computation that was 7%, then you claim add in the 5000 new IRS employees would make it over 15%. No way!



1.) The 137,000 federal employees difference that you reference in the chart is only a part of the picture as a whole, because that is only Executive Branch Civilian Employees. There was also an increase in Military Employees, and Legislative Branch Employees resulting in an overal increase of 314,000 federal employees from 2000 to 2010. That is a 7% increase, the 137,000 Executive Branch Employees was only a 5% increase in that division of government.

2.) I deducted the Census Employees because, if current federal employee numbers have remained constant or have increased since 2010, as the video suggested they have, those employees would not be employed in 2012. Meaning there has been a substantial increase in the number of Federal Employees in the last 2 years, if the numbers reflected in the video were correct.

If you dig deeper into that situation... http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/10fedfun.pdf

The numbers seen on the Census Bureau website for 2010 reflect 3 million plus total Federal Executive Branch Employees, only 2.5 million plus of those are regular full time employees. Therefore one would have to assume the above referenced chart factors in the part time Census Bureau Employees on a Full Time Equivalency (FTE) basis. Wherein one would assume you would have to lose an FTE of roughly 270,000 federal jobs to the census after 2011. And, if that many jobs have been added since 2010, therein holding the total number of federal employees constant, with the loss of Census Bureau Employees, that is effectively a 6.5% increase in the number of federal jobs, without increasing the number of employees, because we should have seen a decrease to that effect, that has not transpired.

The Census Bureau data, at the above referenced link, also suggests that the Department of Homeland Security is responsible for an increase of 185,000 plus federal jobs, as of its inception beginning in 2003, however unless all other departments have lost employees during that time, those numbers are not reflected on the previous chart either. The census numbers would appear to make sense for Executive Branch Employees, as described in the last paragraph, however the census data would suggest there is an additional 185,000 federal employees in the Department of Homeland Security, that are unaccounted for in the previously referenced chart. That is an additional 4.4% as well.

It's all merely speculation without the actual numbers for 2012 federal employees regardless, but I would venture to guess that the video is maybe not that far off.



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#2208771 - 04/28/12 07:53 PM Re: Government gone wild [Re: Rocky1]
dogcatcher Offline
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You are making a lot of speculations. But you are still not going to make a 5000 increase in employees be an almost 8% increase in the total number of employees.

The Legislative and judicial branch personnel was 64,000 in 2010, a 1000 person increase in 10 years.

The military increased 166,000 in the same 10 years. Considering how spread out all over the world they are, that is a minimal increase.

As to the increase in Homeland Security, the census claims they were already included. Or did I miss that they were not included? Or is that some speculation on your part?

As to your speculation of the census, it is noted on the bottom of the page you first posted that the census employees were included. Or did they lie to us and you found out?
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#2208838 - 04/28/12 09:14 PM Re: Government gone wild [Re: dogcatcher]
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So if o and his marxist administration succeeds in their marxist takeover how many jobs will be added to the Governement employee count?
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