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#218774 - 11/02/07 11:00 AM Re: Mountain Lions in PA? [Re: Jill]
danurve Offline
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Registered: 10/02/02
Posts: 1365
Loc: Syracuse, NY
I beleive any mnt lion or even bobcat is a much stealthier & smarter predator then a coyote. Now I could be wrong about that but it's just a theory. Because even in the correct habitat in the N/E the list of people & hunters who's actually seen one where there isn't a season for them, or the DEC/DNR says they don't exist etc., is well a short list. I'm 45, you think I'm going to go climbing all over the Adarondacks, Catskills or Allegeny range looking for one of these elusive critters? Not right now anyway. Plenty of coyotes on lower ground.
I've seen a bobcat in Wayne county. According to the DEC that's not possible, ok.
Got a spot just right near Tioga Co. where some have gone hyper over a reported bear sighting. I don't see what the big deal is. Maybe it's slightly out of it's normal range is all. And I've seen the tracks.
Do I want to see this bear? How about No.
Bow for deer is still open, so is Turkey for that area.
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#218775 - 11/04/07 11:24 AM Re: Mountain Lions in PA? [Re: danurve]
GC Offline
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Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 16969
Loc: Missouri
I can't speak for mountain lions, but bobcats are flat out dumb compared to coyotes. Bobcats are definately on the "short bus" when compared to coyotes. Bobcats have an entirely different nature, they use their natural camo and stealthy nature to sneak to a call, however, when shot at often they'll attempt to use that same thing to hide from the hunter and will sometimes allow multiple shots to be fired at them as they hunker down in a little piece of cover. My dad shot at one three times with a .308 at forty yards as it came sneaking into my calls. He hit low and kicked hard crusted snow all over the cat and it simply stretched out flat until the third shot nailed it. He did the very same thing with a .12 gauge and No. 4BK, shooting at another cat that I called several times while it sat watching him. Bobcat's will approach from dead downwind and ignore a snoot full of human scent. Especially so if there is a motion decoy of some sort to lock their eyes on. Different natures, but coyotes won't give you those same opportunities as the cat will. Coyotes are just higher strung and make full use of all thier senses. Coyotes will burn you on a stand and be gone in a flash while a cat sits and tries to figure it all out. No comparision between the two in the IQ department...
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#218776 - 11/14/07 09:57 AM Re: Mountain Lions in PA? [Re: GC]
hawkeye77 Offline
Predator Master

Registered: 12/12/05
Posts: 55
Loc: western. ny
well i beleave that there are mountain lions in pa, i live in a town in western new york that is probally 55 minutes north of erie,, pa.. 2 hunting seasons ago i got live proof of mountain lions in new york with the video camera segement that lasted about 5 minutes long. and to make things better it wasnt 1 cat there were 2.
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#218777 - 11/21/07 02:57 PM Re: Mountain Lions in PA? [Re: hawkeye77]
deputysam Offline
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Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 485
Loc: Oklahoma
When you think cats, you think stealth partcularly when they hunt. I saw three mountain lions at different times while camping in the Sitgreaves National Forest along the Mogollon Rim. My girlfriend got the best look because I was driving the truck, but once one had stalked up to just a few feet from me and was able to run off so fast by the time I got to the ridge area he'd been looking at me from, he was long gone and silently out of sight.

I am real glad they are not an endangered species.

I think it sounds like to me that in Oklahoma they may have developed a presence where local people are not longer wiling to just write off their kills of livestock to a 'cost of doing business". Will be interesting to find more out about it.
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#218778 - 11/29/07 08:58 AM Re: Mountain Lions in PA? [Re: danurve]
deputysam Offline
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Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 485
Loc: Oklahoma
I think you are right, in part because mountain lions hunt mostly alone and coyotes pretty much like to hunt in packs. Not the the "herd instinct" instinct is a completely bad thing, but it does tend to indicate that the indivual members of the pack are relying more in the skill and sense of their leader, while when you hunt alone, you are the leader.

I bet somebody out there in the realm of science probably may have seen some independent research on IQ in animals, of which Man is only one.

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#218779 - 12/02/07 04:45 PM Re: Mountain Lions in PA? [Re: hawkeye77]
Suz11 Offline
New Member

Registered: 12/02/07
Posts: 1
Loc: NJ
Hey Hawkeye...is there any way you can post that video?? I'd love to see it. Just had a friend hunting in NW pennsylvania last week...saw two mt. lions feeding on a deer carcass, but didn't have a camera.

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#218780 - 01/25/08 10:44 AM Re: Mountain Lions in PA? [Re: Suz11]
BruceT Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 01/22/08
Posts: 183
Loc: Northern Maine
I can say mountain lions are here in Maine.Saw the film myself of a group of bear hunters in northern Maine that saw one cross the road and turned their bear dogs loose on the track treeing it.
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#218781 - 01/28/08 10:06 PM Re: Mountain Lions in PA? [Re: BruceT]
ryan9166 Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 12/03/07
Posts: 178
Loc: PA
deleted, dont really want to be a part of this conversation.


Edited by ryan9166 (01/28/08 10:40 PM)

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