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#2168315 - 02/29/12 05:19 PM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: flyinlizard1]
Darkker Offline
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Registered: 01/20/09
Posts: 556
Loc: Dry Side of Washington
Cat is on the correct path, in regards to lot variations and such.
Hodgdon DOES NOT make ANY smokless powder, Winchester DOES NOT make any smokeless powder, Ramshot, Hornady..... you get the idea.

THE ONLY smokless propellant currently manufactured in the USA is ball powder. The plant is in St. Marks, Florida. It is owned and operated by General Dynamics; a defense contractor.
The Winchester "branded" powders and Hodgdon's ball powders(at least most) come from there.

The folks you "think" are selling you gunpowder/ammo, are only middle-men. Which do you think is going to get more "attention" to batch consistency, etc. A military contract for train-loads of powder, or a ton or two for the private sector?

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#2168364 - 02/29/12 06:03 PM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: Darkker]
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Registered: 02/08/07
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Loc: Maine
For the bullets you got get yourself some Ramshot TAC and you'll have it made....55gr Vmax and TAC is an awesome combo.


I know how you feel on the Superformance powder....I got snookered on a pound of it too. thumbdown That's what happens when you go down to Cabelas for a couple different powders and pick up one because of the name, I assumed there was .223 data on Hornady's site too....needless to say I found squat.

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#2168427 - 02/29/12 07:12 PM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: Dixiedog1]
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#2169024 - 03/01/12 12:38 PM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: Dixiedog1]
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Originally Posted By: TURBO6046
For the bullets you got get yourself some Ramshot TAC and you'll have it made....55gr Vmax and TAC is an awesome combo.


I know how you feel on the Superformance powder....I got snookered on a pound of it too. thumbdown That's what happens when you go down to Cabelas for a couple different powders and pick up one because of the name, I assumed there was .223 data on Hornady's site too....needless to say I found squat.

I agree but its my own fault for not doing my home work.


Edited by Scalloper (03/01/12 07:17 PM)

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#2169050 - 03/01/12 01:01 PM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: Scalloper]
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Originally Posted By: Scalloper
Originally Posted By: TURBO6046
For the bullets you got get yourself some Ramshot TAC and you'll have it made....55gr Vmax and TAC is an awesome combo.


I know how you feel on the Superformance powder....I got snookered on a pound of it too. thumbdown That's what happens when you go down to Cabelas for a couple different powders and pick up one because of the name, I assumed there was .223 data on Hornady's site too....needless to say I found squat.


I agree and I still think they are GOONS.


Then don't buy the stuff they sell... Oh, wait a minute - they are pretty much the ONLY distributors of powder in the USA... aw well, you didn't want to load anyway..
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#2169392 - 03/01/12 07:15 PM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: CatShooter]
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Originally Posted By: CatShooter
Originally Posted By: Scalloper
I was just doing a search on here and it apears as thoe I may have wasted my $$ as most say the reloading data is not available yet. This stinks. And some say the bulk powder is not the same. What kind of goons would do that? I am not sure I will use Hornady products again if thats the case.


Hornady sells very good products, and they are NOT goons.

You are very misinformed about factory loading and hand loading - the powders are similar, but NEVER the same. If factories used the same canister grades of powder that we use, we couldn't afford to buy factory ammo.

The powder "we" use is blended carefully, so each can we buy is as close as possible to the last can we bought - they are so good at the blending that I have never found a significant difference between lot to lot.

The powder that the factories use to load large batches use bulk powder that is "kinda close" to the last batch they bought - the make up for the differences by adjusting the amount of powder in each run.

No goons here, just your misunderstanding of how the industry works.


You are right,it was my mistake. I just asumed that if I bought the loaded ammo from the factory then by buying the powder I could work up my own loads.My neghbor (Jay) hes 80 and a wealth of knowledge on reloading,explained the factory powder vs bulk powder today. It was about the same explanation some gave here.

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#2169549 - 03/01/12 09:32 PM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: Scalloper]
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Originally Posted By: Scalloper
You are right, it was my mistake. I just assumed that if I bought the loaded ammo from the factory then by buying the powder I could work up my own loads.My neighbor (Jay) hes 80 and a wealth of knowledge on reloading, explained the factory powder vs bulk powder today. It was about the same explanation some gave here.


Just a minor correction - what WE BUY in one and eight pound jugs is called "Canister" grade - what the factories buy is BULK - as in tons, (which is bulk to me wink )

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#2169609 - 03/01/12 10:17 PM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: CatShooter]
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Registered: 02/04/12
Posts: 2127
Loc: texas
catshooter, my bad

it is advertised as the same powder used in their superformance ammo and that you can, as advertised to now get the same advatage in your handloads as it superformamce factory loads. it worked for me, looked at a box of it today in 223 and alomst bought a box just to pull it and weight the charge to get a starting point. but I no longer hunt with 223.

again don't mean to put anyone on the wrong path but reading their lit it doesn't seem out of line.

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#2169658 - 03/01/12 10:57 PM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: the impactzone]
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Registered: 12/03/06
Posts: 1905
Loc: SW Indiana
I've read they use a different powder for the .223 Superformance versus the other offerings in that line of ammo. Thats why there is no load data for the powder in .233 I've got three boxes of the ammo, 300 of the 53g Vmax and a couple pounds of N133. Gonna try to duplicate it as close as I can get.

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#2172676 - 03/04/12 11:37 PM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: unloaded]
Wyocaddis Offline
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Registered: 02/01/12
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Superferomace ammo is one thing. Superferomance powder another. The ammuntion is a name brand not specific to the powder loaded. Let me explain. superferomance powder is close to the buring rate of H4831 or Win 780 and works well in 243, 270, and magnums. As Stated earlier this is a slow buring powder.

The Superferornace ammo is ammuntion which generates more than prevoius factory loads. THIS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS LOADED WITH SUPERFEROMANCE POWDER!!!!!! Only that it beats standard factory loads.

The superferance 22 cal or varnmit loads are likely loaded with the new CFE223 as they c;osely resemble the loads listed at the Hodgdon web site.
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#2172692 - 03/04/12 11:55 PM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: Wyocaddis]
Scalloper Offline
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Loc: Downeast Maine
I use 4831 for my 270,is there load data for 270 using Superformance powder?

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#2172698 - 03/05/12 12:03 AM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: Scalloper]
Wyocaddis Offline
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Registered: 02/01/12
Posts: 62
Loc: Sheridan, Wy
No not yet. this would strictly be using established H4831 or WIN 780 data and working up slowly. I will tell you this my 270 loves Superferomance. with either a 130 Serria BT, or a Barnes 130 TTSX. Sierra seated .20 off and the TTSX .50 off
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#2172763 - 03/05/12 05:40 AM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: Wyocaddis]
Scalloper Offline
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Loc: Downeast Maine
Well at least it looks like I will be able to use the powder for my .270 or 7mm Mag at some point. Thanks

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#2172793 - 03/05/12 07:48 AM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: Scalloper]
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Registered: 01/02/11
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Boycott Hodgdon, when they aren't selling powder maybe they'll understand. I quit using there products last year for the very reason all of you are complaining about. They're putting powders out and can't even supply data.

When they're out of business and their CEO is pushing a hot dog cart maybe then they will learn. There's better powders out there then Hodgdon.

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#2172832 - 03/05/12 09:07 AM Re: Superformance loading data for .223 [Re: joed]
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Originally Posted By: joed
Boycott Hodgdon, when they aren't selling powder maybe they'll understand. I quit using there products last year for the very reason all of you are complaining about. They're putting powders out and can't even supply data.

When they're out of business and their CEO is pushing a hot dog cart maybe then they will learn. There's better powders out there then Hodgdon.


Boycott Hodgdon???

Now there's a brilliant idea - then you might as well sell your loading equipment, cuz Hodgdon owns or distributes 98% of the powder in the USA.

What a bunch of whining.

"Superformance" is a TRADE NAME guys, not a powder number - they have many "Superformance" loads - they are not all loaded with the same powder - they CAN'T be. It doesn't work that way.


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