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#214758 - 03/07/01 10:43 AM Question for Steve Craig or others
MULE Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 05/10/01
Posts: 252
Loc: Colo
Hi Steve

Hypothetical Question. Here in Colorado you can't use electronic calls for bears or lions. If you were here what sounds or calls would you use? Also how would being restricted to mouth blown calls effect the strategy you currently use?
Thanx

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#214759 - 03/07/01 11:50 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
azbiggame Offline
Predator Master

Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 85
Loc: henderson,nv.u.s.a.
MULE:Before the Experts write in here is my .02,Rember deer and calf elk feed most of these Large predators.Larger lungs for more distress sounds than say a small rabbit.Same sounds just more air/volumn.Same hand held calls you use on Yotes work for Lions and Bears.Longer stands are the norm,30 minutes minimum.All critters in the hills respond to hand held calls.Last weekend at a Yote Contest in Az.called in 10 head of elk to our stand with a Tally-ho.They all come to "THE SOUND"---

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#214760 - 03/07/01 01:27 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Rich Cronk Offline
Retired Moderator

Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 7135
Loc: Western Iowa
Mule,
I have very little experience in calling the big cats, but here is my best shot at your question. The biggest problem you have to overcome in calling the cats with a hand call is the fact they are honing in on the sound( which is you). Cats being very sneaky it is common for em to sneak in, look you over and leave again without your even seeing them. I believe that a decoy of some sort would help you a lot. Even a piece of fur or a feather hung out there fifty yards or so to swing in the breeze would help. One of those moto-magnets with a fawn skin stretched over it would be dandy. I'm thinking that your killer call, blown at about half way up the reed in long drawn out squalls will bring the lion's in. A good calling pardner would be a real plus for you also, because you could cover more approach routes. Good luck.

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#214761 - 03/07/01 07:10 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Steve Craig Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 09/09/01
Posts: 220
Loc: Cottonwood,AZ USA
Mule,
With the "strategy" I currently use, It is highly improbable that you or I could call a lion. A bear,yes, a lion no. I have a "method" that I alone developed and use to call lions, and without the WT caller it is almost impossible to call them on a consistant basis like I do now.

Having said that, I will say that for a guy with a hand call or one of the tape players, you will have your best success with lions by getting in his or her bedroom or kitchen before you ever play a note on the call. Due to the lions great range and the amount of country he covers in one night, this can be hard to do. Your best bet is to get on a fresh kill as soon as possible and work him or her from 50 to 100 yards away. Azbiggame, and Rich both gave very good advice as well.
Steve

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#214762 - 03/07/01 09:46 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Meats Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 42
Loc: Yelm,Wa
Steve,you are starting to sound more like a salesman for Bill all the time.That must be one magic little call he sells.

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#214763 - 03/08/01 07:11 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Calypso Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 1707
Loc: Hondo, Texas USA
Meats,

I just hunted with Steve for a week. Yes we did call in a lion...and four bobcats, and six gray foxes. His system in unique, and you do need the WT caller to utilize it successfully. If another caller could do everything the WT does, you could use it also. Right now there isn't one out there with the ability to change sounds instantly, with the remote range, and most importantly, with the necessary sounds. I use a JS-512 very successfully, and count Gerald among my friends....but, I just ordered a WT caller to be able to use everything Steve taught me.

Good Hunting!

Bob C.

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#214764 - 03/08/01 10:59 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Steve Craig Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 09/09/01
Posts: 220
Loc: Cottonwood,AZ USA
Meats,
Do you own or have you ever used a WT? Do you know how to use it properly to call lions???
If you want to take it as a "sales pitch" you are welcome to do that. I dont give a rats a$$ what you or anyone one else wants to use to call a lion. I have been accussed of being a salesman for Bill ever sinse I started using this caller. Nothing could be further from the truth!! I am a salesman for the best and most effective way to call lions on a CONSISTANT basis.This is what I teach my students and clients. If this caller allows me to do it then so be it. You live in a state that has more lions than I have here. How many lions did you call in with you toy callers? I call more lions here than some of the hound men tree each year. They have told me so. The only difference is their success rates are much better than mine. They tree the cat and the client shoots no farther than the top of the tree. My clients #1, Has to sit still for an hour or more without moving a muscle. #2 Has to be able to spot the cat after it arrives. #3 Has to hit it after they see it. This is why my kill rates are only 50%. Most men cant set still for 20 minutes let alone an hour! Most get shook up at the site of a critter that can eat them at 20 to 400 yards. I've had them miss lions broadside at 50 yards! Calypso Bob was here for just 4 days and he is a statue on a stand. And I thank him for that. I just wish others could do it as well. If this makes me a salesman for the WT then I accept it. Hell, it is the BEST caller on the market, untill someone proves me wrong. But they had better be able to call more than 23 lions in a years time to do so! I know of a guy right now that has called in more lions than me. Guess what caller he uses!! One of my students came to me for instruction and went home and called in 8 lions himself in a year. What caller do you think he uses?!!! A youg man in Washington State( first time he ever called anything in) went out and called in 3 lions in less than 2 weeks time, with just some instruction from me over the phone. Guess what caller he uses?!!!

Bob,
How did you do on Friday and Saturday? Looks like the move went well?
Steve

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#214765 - 03/08/01 07:46 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
MULE Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 05/10/01
Posts: 252
Loc: Colo
Hey guys,

Wether BM is an asshole or not is not the question.

Here in Colorado you are not LEGALLY allowed to use an electronic caller for bear and lions PERIOD. NO Foxpro, no wt, no js 12, no cassetes and ano cd's. No chips and no soundboards.

If I find out someone uses one when I can't I'll burn their ass for sure.

I think if guys in colorado consider the wt for lions or bears then bad idea. If you can use it in az or wa or wherever great.

Steve better watch them lawmakers in arizona. The tree huggers stopped spring bear and baitin. Electronic calls and such are next on the list for all the western states

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#214766 - 03/08/01 08:57 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Meats Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 42
Loc: Yelm,Wa
Back up buddy,I was just joking and you go and get all defensive about it.You now call my calls TOYS and I never said one bad thing about your WT.I bet Gerald doesnt consider his product a toy.And yes I called in a couar this year with my JS 512 When I was bear hunting this year.Remember the Bear contest I WON and you never came through with the prize(GREAT GUY STEVE).If you cant take a little humor I dont give a rats a$$ either.I just think it is funny how every post you make you get your plug for WT in and we have all been calling critters for years before that call was on the market.You have a good product you are using Steve but you should know if it was just the call that makes the man,What would you be without a WT.........Later

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[This message has been edited by Meats (edited 03-08-2001).]

Edited to remove an expletive - Tasha

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#214767 - 03/08/01 10:18 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
howler Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 2027
Loc: Glasgow, Mt.
Ah come on guys, are you sure you want to go down that road

I do have have a serious question about Mt. Lions, I have only seen one dead one and WOW it was huge, the front legs were absolutly massive I could'nt put my fingers (both hands) around its forearms I don't know the length measurements but I think it weighed 147 lbs gutted, How dose this compare to the lions elsewhere.

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#214768 - 03/08/01 10:54 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Wiley E Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 410
Loc: Kadoka, S.D.
Come on guys! Lets not start this here! Take it to private email and get it sorted out. Let's try to keep the language a little cleaner here too. We are trying to get kids interested in calling and we already have some reading these posts.

Meats, I knew by the winking smily guy that you were just joking in your original post. Whether intentional or not, I could also see the nerve you struck. I don't have any problem with Steve advocating the WT. As a matter of fact if it makes a caller more successful, they would be a fool not to try it. Myself included! I don't have any problem with you advocating the JS512. I appreciate both your views. I own a JS 512 but am very interested in the WT.

Even if Bill M. has rubbed some guys the wrong way, myself included, that doesn't mean that people should quit using his products. Yes, I know, I was the one who mentioned boycott and I was wrong for doing so!

Steve, You remind me a lot of me. I get pretty defensive about certain issues too.

We're all coyote callers here. Lets try to keep this a civil place to learn from. Guys, for the sake of civility here, lets choke it down or take it to private email and sort it out. Please! Thanks! Wiley E

[This message has been edited by Wiley E (edited 03-08-2001).]

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#214769 - 03/08/01 10:58 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
NM Kid Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 05/10/01
Posts: 218
Loc: Farmington NM
Hello Guys,

Howler here in Northern NM I know a few guys who run dogs. They said they wont take a cat unless he is 150 lbs or so (live weight with internals). I want to say they have killed ones bigger than that. This year the three of them filled there tags. Personally I have never seen one dead or alive. Would love to call one in, can only afford to use hand calls right now. Maybe when I get out of college I could spring for one of these electronic callers.

Chad

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#214770 - 03/09/01 03:01 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
ryank Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 787
Loc: Wisconsin
Steve,

Call me stupid, (and maybe I am) but who is 'bill' and what is a 'WT' caller? I have never seen one before. If you or someone else could explain it to me, or at least post a web address so anyone can go see one I would be much obliged.

Thanks
RK

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#214771 - 03/09/01 05:50 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
gare Offline
New Member

Registered: 05/10/01
Posts: 2
Loc: Canton Ohio USA
I had thought of getting a WT but the way i hear tell now is the new WT does not have a remote. They tell me the unit has a speaker on a wire. I have a friend that had a older model WT. The board went bad and they COULD not get a new board and had to trade it in for the newer model and they said it was not as good as the original model they had . They are unhappy with the new version

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#214772 - 03/09/01 07:41 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Rich Cronk Offline
Retired Moderator

Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 7135
Loc: Western Iowa
Gare,
Would you ask your friend about the remote control feature on the new WT unit again please? If there really is no remote available for the new unit, I for one would like to know. Thanks

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#214773 - 03/09/01 07:53 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Rich Cronk Offline
Retired Moderator

Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 7135
Loc: Western Iowa
Ryank,
The Wildlife technologies (WT) caller is a fairly new digital calling machine(no moving parts).I hunted over one in Arizona and was very impressed with the sound quality and the long distances in which the remote control still worked reliably.The first machines were pretty large, and some guys complained about them being too bulky and heavy. I have not seen the newer machines, but I have been hearing that they are smaller and lighter. I am interested in these callers and have been watching them evolve.

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#214774 - 03/09/01 08:47 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Steve Craig Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 09/09/01
Posts: 220
Loc: Cottonwood,AZ USA
To whom it may concern,
I appologize to anyone I may have offended with my last post including you Meats.

A little history may be in order here. Alot of this "stuff" goes back to the old Shade Tree forum and after posting there I was accussed by many of being a "salesman" for Bill Martz, when it was just not so. A promoter,yes, a salesman, no! And finally I (and several others) was removed because I used the words "WT caller" and because I supported Bill Martz. So yes, Meats struck a nerve!

Meats, as far as Me never coming through with the prize on the Huntseek Board, don't even think about going there. The prize is still there for who ever the winner is. I can not help it if contestants don't follow the rules,or if those rules(which I didn't make) where not clear.(although those rules were posted at the beginning of the contest). All I did was offer a hunt as a prize and now you "seem" to be accussing me of renigging on the hunt. (see the Huntseek Bear forum Jan 7 2001 posted by S Frame).
As far as the call making the man, you are right!!! It has made me a better caller than I was before. I now understand and know more about lions than I THOUGHT I knew 4 years ago, and I can call in more lions than I did 4 years ago. I dont understand your poke at me on that one. As I have always posted that you need to be a good caller before you can use an electronic caller with any degree of success. I know you and Bill have had some very nervy banter on these boards, but what has that got to do with me posting ABOUT the WT? Again, If you are offended, I appologize to you for doing so.

Wiley, Thanks for your support, and your open minded approach about this caller. I am being accussed openly of not following through on a hunt I offered, and I am responding to that accusation , openly. I know you understand, and my appologies to you as well. I'm done with it.

Ryank, Bill is Bill Martz of Wildlife Technologies, the maker of the WT caller. His weg site is www.wildlifetech.com I appologize for any confusion.

Gare, The new remotes are not yet here for the newest units. Just as Fox Pro people and some others are finding out, there is a shortage of electronic compomants caused by our ole buddy Bill Clinton giving China first choice of the componants. Motorola and other companys are laying people off because they can't get them. The cuurent units are being run with an mp3 player and "speaker" wire, but the sound quality and all is still the best ever. I'm sure your friend doesn't like the new model because of the fact he has no remote at this time. The reason he COULD not get a new board is because there is none. The 2010 unit is no more. It weighed 14 pounds and now the technology is avalable to make the 2010 into the size it is now 5 pounds. NOTHING else has changed in the quality. I have found the new unit BETTER in every respect. It has 4 times more volume if you need it, and instead of having just 18 sounds, we can have up to 100 at the touch of a button. When the remotes are ready, the unit will be even smaller. I am testing new speakers for Bill as I write this. Gare, I have used each model as it came out and each one was BETTER than the one before it. If your friend is unhappy with his WT, return it to Bill for a full refund, or better still, put it up for sale on here, I would bid for it in a second, and I;m sure there are others as well.Yes I too miss my remote, but good things come to those who wait and are patient. I should have been more PATIENT before responding to Meats! LOL!
Steve




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#214775 - 03/09/01 09:04 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Wiley E Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 410
Loc: Kadoka, S.D.
Remember the Bear contest I WON and you never came through with the prize(GREAT GUY STEVE). - Meats

Meats, as far as Me never coming through with the prize on the Huntseek Board, don't even think about going there. The prize is still there for who ever the winner is. I can not help it if contestants don't follow the rules,or if those rules(which I didn't make) where not clear.(although those rules were posted at the beginning of the contest). All I did was offer a hunt as a prize and now you "seem" to be accussing me of renigging on the hunt. (see the Huntseek Bear forum Jan 7 2001 posted by S Frame). - Steve Craig

I know you and Bill have had some very nervy banter on these boards, but what has that got to do with me posting ABOUT the WT? Again, If you are offended, I appologize to you for doing so. - Steve Craig

Wiley, I am being accussed openly of not following through on a hunt I offered, and I am responding to that accusation , openly. I know you understand, and my appologies to you as well. I'm done with it. - Steve Craig

Yes Steve, I believe you were certainly justified in responding to this allegation openly and thank you for your apology to Meats. Lets take any further discussion on this issue to private email please.

Meats, this issue doesn't belong on a public forum. These are personal issues that need to be taken to private email. We don't need to know about it. If you want to respond to Steve on this issue, please do so by private email. Thanks! Please understand that I am just trying to keep the peace in our new town. Sheriff Roscooooooooe P. Coletrain LOL! Wiley E



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#214776 - 03/09/01 11:57 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
WayCool Offline
New Member

Registered: 04/23/01
Posts: 11
Loc: Las Cruces,NM
Sorry to interrupt yall's breaking of bread But could I ask if anyone has a comparision between the new EDW call and the WT ??

I'm a grass roots kinda caller (no electronics here...) but thought about the EDW due to its small size... Some folks don't like to shoot cats from trees... I so far haven't been interested in shooting varmints with an elec caller.. just self gratification I guess

Steve has intrigued me about having such success with an elec caller on big cats... ok .. so I admit it

Just thought I'd see what the users of both these products think..

Thanks,

--Steve

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#214777 - 03/09/01 11:30 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Meats Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 42
Loc: Yelm,Wa
Wiley and all others I have upset,I am sorry.I Guess some things hit a nerve with me also.Since this board is sponcered by a fine call maker lets all leave the advertising out of our post and just talk about hunting.I have hunted with people who use mouth calls(still my favorite way to call),Fox Pro,Compucaller,JS,home made electronic calls and yes a WT.Guess what,we killed yotes,cats,bear,fox and crows with all these calls.(PS,I thought lions lived in Africa and cougars lived in North America)But then again WSU Lions has a nice ring to it...............Later

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#214778 - 03/10/01 12:23 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
MULE Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 05/10/01
Posts: 252
Loc: Colo
Meats,

I still love ya man! hahahha lol

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#214779 - 03/10/01 10:15 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Wiley E Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 410
Loc: Kadoka, S.D.
Thanks Meats! Already forgotten! No problem! You never offended me, I have been in your shoes many times on other boards. The only way to be certain of never offending anyone is to not post and I sure wouldn't want anyone to be afraid to post.

I think Leonard and I are on the same wave length here. Neither one of us like censorship too much. I think we will strike a balance between letting guys be guys and total civility on this public forum. As long as we have kids present lets keep any replica of the F word out though. OK? Thanks!

Since this board is sponsored by a fine call maker lets all leave the advertising out of our post and just talk about hunting. - Meats

Yeh, that's a good point! On the other hand I sure like to know what works best for people and why! That's a tough one! I guess everyone should let their conscience be their guide. I sure appreciate the site they have given us I know that! I also believe that an objective company wants to know the pros and cons of different products. Tough call! That may have to be their call (no pun intended)! I guess I don't have a problem with people stating what they are using and actually encourage it. If someone really started trashing another product especially a product of the sponsor of this site, that would be quite a different story. For now, you guys decide for yourselves how you each want to handle it. Not much censorship there! Wiley E

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#214780 - 03/10/01 12:34 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Bill Gardner Offline
New Member

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 2
Loc: Brewer, ME
I wanted to respond to the last couple of posts. When Will asked if we would be interested in sponsoring his new Predator Masters forums and explained his concept, we were thrilled to have the opportunity to contribute. Our number one priority through our associated with Predator Masters is to help facilitate Will's effort to build a community for the support and betterment of predator calling - period. A place for the best of the best to come together and share experiences and ideas. This includes discussion of our company and our competitors. We fully support uncensored discussions, including positive discussions of our competitors and inevitably discussions about us that may make us uncomfortable. Due to the fact that only a few people have even had the opportunity to see our product, there is little to discuss about Extreme Dimension Wildlife Calls at this time. Later, we will certainly be included in more discussions. We expect these discussions to be as frank, or even heated, as you would find on any other board, about any other product, and we intend to learn from them. Bottom line, we are very excited about being part of Predator Masters and look forward to a long lasting relationship.
My wife Tasha, assisted Will in getting the bulletin board up and running. She also chose to delete the f-word above. To my knowledge, there are 3 censored words & that's one of them. I hope you won't take her actions as an attempt by us to censor these forums in any way because we simply are not in favor of censorship. However, we are sensitive to the offensive nature of certain words to the younger members who may choose to vist this site (and even older), and I am sure you can appreciate our position.

Our sincerest gratitude to Will, the moderators, and all of the Predator Masters for your commitment to the sport. I'm confident that this is going to be an organization that we will all be proud to call our own.

Bill Gardner
President
Extreme Dimension Wildlife Calls

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#214781 - 03/10/01 02:05 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Silverfox Offline
Die Hard Member with a vengeance

Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 4986
Loc: Williston, ND
Bill--removal of some four letter words is a welcome decision as far as I am concerned. If one cannot express him/herself without profanities such as the f-word, perhaps a trip back to the 'ol high school English class would be in order, or better yet, a little washing out of the mouth with lye soap might be in order.

Your attitude about competing products is also refreshing. As a matter of fact, it is downright astute, IMHO. I can see the wisdom in listening to and learning from the discussion about "ALL" callers, and fixing your equipment in those areas that need fixing and keeping and/or improving on what is working well.

Thanks for making this board available. I look forward to hearing test results on your product from varmint callers who have used it in the field.

If you ever need someone to "test" your product, I'd be happy to be one of the "testers" up here in North Dakota.

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#214782 - 03/10/01 04:39 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
steve allen Offline
Predator Master

Registered: 01/05/02
Posts: 88
Loc: Bismarck,ND
Bill--As far as I am concerned there should be no profanity of any kind on the board. There is just no room for participants who are all "professionals" in 1 form or another to not be able to express themselves as completely 100% gentlemen/women all the time.

Words of that nature add nothing to the discussion at hand, but they certainly detract from it. The english language has ample words to express ideas of all kinds without resorting to the use of profanity for any reason.

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#214783 - 03/10/01 06:43 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Anonymous
Unregistered


As for me, we can screen for objectionable words, no problem with that.

But, I will not be part of the vocabulary police. This is a civil Board, we all intend that it should remain that way. However, it is a hunting board, not Bible study. I would never want to offend anyone with my language, but I can't stand control freaks, either. A few mild profanities does not cause me to wet my pants. So, without being specific, I say, whatever is done, do it administratively beforehand, by automatically inserting asteriks instead of the word, no need to announce it. Being as this is a free Country; I object to somebody editing my verbage in any way. In other words, no pun intended; if I can't post it in the first place, that's fair. I'm not worried about it. Just don't clean it up for me AFTER I post, with your good intentions and superior judgement.

Personal opinion.

Good hunting. LB

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#214784 - 03/11/01 08:43 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Steve Craig Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 09/09/01
Posts: 220
Loc: Cottonwood,AZ USA
Bill,
Thank you for your support and input. Again it is not my intention to sound like a sales pitch for the WT caller.

BUT, I have been at this game for over 37 years now. I still know how to use a hand call the way it should be used, and I will say to those who are contemplating purchasing an electronic caller, to learn how to use a hand call "first". It will make you a better caller in the long run.

Waycool,
I have used just about every caller made at one time or the other. The biggest difference, as I see it is:
The WT is in a class all by itself, head and shoulders above EVERYTHING I have used to this point. All my clients and students will aggree on this as well. Calypso Bob was just here and he is a devout JS man, but the first thing he did(even before he moved) was to order a WT with remote.
I have NOT tried the Phantom Caller. All I know about it is what AzWill has posted about it. I know alittle about the electronics that are involved in both the WT and the Phantom,(as well as other callers) and I learned this from Bill Martz. The WT electronic boards are VERY complicated and I know that there are only 4 or 5 men in the world that could design this device at the price Bill charges for his caller. His $800.00 price tag should be around $2000.00 for what you and I are getting. I would gladly pay the $2000.00 if I had to. But I'm glad too, that I don't. Price is just one drawback for most people with this caller over another caller. I say to buy the best unit you can afford. This goes with puchasing anything. I found out along time ago that in my line of work(guiding Predator Hunters), I couldn't afford not to have the WT. Waycool,You have done right to ask those who are using this unit about it. I have tried to answer your questions without sounding like a advertizment. It is VERY difficult to do, because I am excited about this unit, because I know how well it works compared to other units. You will have to talk to Will or someone else about the Phantom, as I can not give you any input about it at this time. You asked, and I have tried to answer to the best of my knowledge. "This is not an advertizement for WT".
Steve

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#214785 - 03/11/01 03:57 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Bob Mc Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 04/24/01
Posts: 597
Loc: Fort Jones, California, USA
I have been watching this discussion with a lot of interest. Glad you boys have agreed to disagree in a civilized manner (can't stand the sight of blood myself).

At this time I have both a JS512, which I have had for many years, and several mouth blown calls. I use the mouth calls more often simply because of the old problem associated with electronic calls; size and weight. A lot of my hunting is done on foot or horseback, and I just won't haul a big, bulky, and heavy calling unit around with me.

The electric call industry has been advancing by leaps and bounds in the last couple of years, since the advent of digital sound. I'm keeping an eye on it, and I'll be interested in whatever new developments come along between now and next fall.

Hey Bill, I'll be camped somewhere in the mountains most of the summer. You want one of those calls field tested in northern California?

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#214786 - 03/12/01 10:50 AM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
WayCool Offline
New Member

Registered: 04/23/01
Posts: 11
Loc: Las Cruces,NM
Thanks Steve for the info... I must admit the $800 price tag will keep me away .. I don't spend that much on my guns (what can I say I'm a cheap skate.. varmints are my +other+ hobby )

If at some point I get serious about calling lions .. then perhaps I'll reconsider. I do appreciate the info regardless.. Is there anything you don't like about the WT??

I would ask the same about the Phantom call.. what are the drawbacks? Issues? etc...

As I said originally .. it's them lions that have me even considering an elec call... at least so far.. I haven't had too much trouble calling a coyote or two using my hand calls..(perhaps the coyotes are just not very bright here )

Oh.. I had asked you what decoy you prefer for lions on another thread.. but you haven't responded.. so I thought I'd ask again here
Thanks,

[This message has been edited by WayCool (edited 03-12-2001).]

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#214787 - 03/12/01 06:33 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
albert Offline
Predator Master

Registered: 05/10/01
Posts: 56
Loc: kuroki, sk. canada
Bottom line Steve. I started checking into the WT and was told that I could not by one with a wireless remote. Is there a dealer out there that can give me a quote or a price on one? You can send the reply to my email if you prefer.

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#214788 - 03/13/01 06:56 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Steve Craig Offline
Seasoned Member

Registered: 09/09/01
Posts: 220
Loc: Cottonwood,AZ USA
WayCool,
No, there isn't anything I can even remotely think of that I dislike about the NEW WT caller.

I use a fawn decoy when I don't have to travel too far from the roads. When taking a hike I prefer a Sceery blow up turkey decoy. The least little wind will make these decoys move very well. I also have used the old Rigor Rabbit Motion decoy with very good success.
Steve

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#214789 - 03/13/01 10:03 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
Meats Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 42
Loc: Yelm,Wa
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MULE:
Hi Steve

Hypothetical Question. Here in Colorado you can't use electronic calls for bears or lions. If you were here what sounds or calls would you use? Also how would being restricted to mouth blown calls effect the strategy you currently use?
Thanx

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Sorry I led this thread so far from the original question Mule.Maybe we can get back on track now.......Later



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#214790 - 03/14/01 12:35 PM Re: Question for Steve Craig or others
WayCool Offline
New Member

Registered: 04/23/01
Posts: 11
Loc: Las Cruces,NM
Thanks for the info Steve...

Much appreciated !

--Steve

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