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#2055893 - 11/28/11 01:01 AM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: DiRTY DOG]
204farr Offline
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Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 732
Loc: utah

Edited by 204farr (11/29/11 12:46 AM)

#2055968 - 11/28/11 05:51 AM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: ab_bentley]
K22 Offline
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Registered: 10/19/03
Posts: 2042
Loc: Western NC
Originally Posted By: ab_bentley
17 Remington with 30gr bullets. Adam


#2056026 - 11/28/11 08:51 AM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: catwhacker]
RePete Offline
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Registered: 07/11/07
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Loc: Idaho (Clearwater County)
Originally Posted By: catwhacker
Fun read! Worthless but fun!!

All 3 will kill coyotes. Pick one and go hunting!!


A little more useless info,, but I too prefer the 17Rem.
Ain't that right Bill?

#2057947 - 11/30/11 04:04 AM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: getfoxy]
RTLOF18918B Offline
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Registered: 10/06/07
Posts: 1029
Loc: In the high desert
Originally Posted By: getfoxy
350 yards on called critter in field conditions is is along way out there. 223 will get it done.

The problem is you, not the rifle.
My vote goes for .223

+ 1
Keep your knives sharp, your rifles clean, scope on the target and beer on ice for after the hunt.

#2057960 - 11/30/11 05:53 AM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: RTLOF18918B]
willy1947 Offline
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Registered: 11/20/11
Posts: 2554
Loc: Ohio, Ohio
I sell the pelts. Under 200 yards, I shoot my AR-15 with m855 5.56mm over 200 yards I load barnes solids in my 243 win / Remington 700 heavy barrel. One hole in / one hole out.
Writing in this blog is like guessing, the color of a pig in a poke. You are wrong a lot more than you are right.
"No one plans to fail; we only fail to plan!"
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#2057976 - 11/30/11 07:39 AM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: hunter97]
K22 Offline
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Registered: 10/19/03
Posts: 2042
Loc: Western NC
Originally Posted By: hunter97
Well im probaly going to buy a new rifle and was wondering what caliber I should get? The shots are going to be 350 yards or less for mainly coyotes but I dont want to have to sew up the occassilnal bobcat or fox.

It sounds to me like a 17 Rem. with a 25gr. bullet would work better for you. Like a lot of folks on here, I have a 223 and a 204, while I really like the 204, the 17 Rem is still a better pelt caliber when encountering Fox and Bobcat. Its a toss up when only considering Coyotes, but the 17 is still the better of those 2 when dealing with pelt saving, or should I say pelt non-sewing. A 30gr. bullet leaving the bore of a 17 will impress you out to 350yds. But all of this is just my opinion, although it is based on shooting and owning the calibers I mentioned.

#2058029 - 11/30/11 08:55 AM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: odawgp]
vix Offline
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Registered: 10/06/09
Posts: 381
Loc: Mi
Originally Posted By: odawgp
probably not going to make it in a 204 at that price

223 or 22-250 in savages stevens/edge/axis or whatever they call them now will fit your budget well.

I just saw a used CZ in .204 Ruger on the classifieds here a week ago for $450 a heck of a deal on an outstanding rifle!
Save your paper route money and spend just a little more for a top quality rifle maybe a used Savage ? take your time and find a good scope / rifle combo that you can shoot well. it's all about shot placement.
Good luck

Edited by vix (11/30/11 08:59 AM)
"the 9mm was made to shoot Europeans. For really dangerous types we have the .45acp".
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#2063948 - 12/05/11 09:28 PM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: vix]
braddsn Offline
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Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 45
Loc: Southern Illinois
I know this is going to start a firestorm... LOL... but if you really dig in to the ballistics charts, you will find that the .204 does everything better than the 22-250 and the .223. I know there are going to be many disagreements, but I had an argument with a guy once about this long ago, (an argument I ended up winning by the way.. haha), and I literally spent hours going through ballistics charts on all 3 of these calibers to prove my point, and the end result was that the .204 was faster, shot flatter, and bucked wind the best. But don't take my word, hit the ballistics charts and see for yourself. And make sure you are comparing apples to apples (i.e. factory to factory, handloads to handloads). I have personally flattened many-a-coyote with my .204. And 9 times out of 10, they flop and drop, dead as a hammer. VERY few run. I shoot hand loads, with the 32gr Sierra. In comparison, I owned a Ruger M77 .223 for years before I got my .204, and it was not nearly as effective as a yote killer. This is my personal experience.. your mileage may vary. Another bonus is that with the .204 there is virtually no recoil or muzzle flip. Great for super-precision shooting.
Speed kills....

#2064002 - 12/05/11 10:00 PM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: braddsn]
OldTurtle Offline

Registered: 12/20/05
Posts: 19614
Loc: East Central FL
If you stay within your original parameters, the .204 with a 35gr Berger bullet will do everything that you desire with as many kills as the other two, with less recoil, and if you're competent as a shooter, you shouldn't have much fur damage on a percentage basis...
Nature shares her secrets not to those that hurry by, but to those that walk with a happy heart and a seeing eye...

#2064015 - 12/05/11 10:08 PM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: braddsn]
TripleDeuce660 Offline
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Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 2771
Loc: Las Vegas Nevada
.223 is the way to go.

Roll your own lower velocity loads for bobcat if it tears em up. It can go all the way down to .22lr and anything in between.

Cheaper to shoot. Mine will shoot the 26$ per 50 hornaday 55gr SP Moa from shooting sticks.

I sold all my other rifles and just have a .223 tikka now. What the heck else could a predator/rabbit hunter need?

If you want more bang skip the 22-250 you might aswell go up to .243.

People who hug trees shouldn't live in wooden houses!

#2064027 - 12/05/11 10:15 PM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: TripleDeuce660]
Don't Tread On Me! Offline
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Registered: 11/26/11
Posts: 48
Loc: Earth

Edited by Don't Tread On Me! (12/11/11 04:07 PM)

#2064075 - 12/05/11 10:48 PM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: Don't Tread On Me!]
EDP Offline
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Registered: 01/15/08
Posts: 979
Loc: Texas
Idk about the 204 beefing the 250 what I do know is I shot steel at 400 yards with my 204 and it would not nock the steel turkey over and not even mock the paint off no dent what so ever and my 250 puts a good dent and has no prob nocking them over. I was shooting the 32 gr hornady at the steel I don't see how that load could kill a rabbit at that range
Reality Outdoors

#2065725 - 12/07/11 12:50 PM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: willy1947]
Bozdogkiller Offline
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Registered: 02/04/06
Posts: 564
Loc: Redmond Utah
The 250 will out shoot both all day long every day of the week.
I hunt coyotes with a .243 Ackley improved and have hunted with all you are askin about.

#2065915 - 12/07/11 05:24 PM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: hunter97]
maustypsu Offline
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Registered: 11/27/11
Posts: 3
Loc: North Carolina
I love this debate, keep it coming for more than just the OP's sake!!!

"The .204 isn't enough."

"Go with the .17."

Too funny. I hunt coyotes mostly and use a family hand-me-down .222 Rem Mag due to sentimental reasons. Never found any limitations but hunt in the east and don't have to shoot much over 200 yards.

I am planning to get a T/C Venture Predator for some new properties I have access to. I'm leaning toward the .204 based on ballistics charts but am interested in reading more "real world" results from the folks here.

#2065921 - 12/07/11 05:27 PM Re: 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 [Re: Bozdogkiller]
braddsn Offline
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Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 45
Loc: Southern Illinois
Bozdogkiller I would have to humbly disagree. For example lets say we use the same grain bullet, a 40grn V-Max and a 26" barrel out of both rifles. Both rifles will shoot both bullets at a velocity of 4100fps. However, the 204 40grn bullet has a BC of .275 and the 22-250 .22 cal 40grn bullet has a BC of .200. I think it's pretty obvious which rifle will shoot flatter, it's the 204 hands down. Even if the 22-250 moves up to a 50grn V-Max, that bullet has a BC of .242, so even the heavier .22 cal 50grn bullet still has less BC than the 204 20 cal 40grn Bullet.

The bottom line, the 204, using the 40grn V-max will out shoot and shoot flatter than the 22-250 using either the 40grn, 50 or 55grn .22 cal bullets.

Now it gets more complicated when you start comparing the endless combinations of handloads, powders, primers, seating depths, barrel twist, etc etc.... but my above comparison was a simple "apples to apples" comparison.

For the 22-250 to even approach the performance of the .204, it has to be loaded HOT!!! And even then, you will just be burning out your barrels trying to keep up. The .204 doesn't have to be loaded hot to achieve this performance, thus longer barrel life, etc. I know that this is all just ballistics.... i.e. paper information as opposed to actually shooting out in the field.. but I have dropped enough yotes dead in their tracks with the .204 that I know firsthand what it can do. By the way, im not trying to be argumentative, I don't want to come across as a know-it-all that believes that the .204 is the only caliber to own. I just like constructive argument. If you have an argument against mine, I am all ears.. I learn something new every day!
Speed kills....

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