Predator Masters using UBB.threads ™ Infopop Corporation.
PM Gear Moon & Weather

Welcome to the Predator Masters Forums
Be sure to visit the main Predator Master website at





PM Gear
PM Gear
PM Gear
The Official Predator Masters Search Engine
Search Predator Masters

Page 4 of 8 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 >
Topic Options
#2024154 - 10/21/11 02:17 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: Jesse lackey]
DoubleCK Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 3485
Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
Originally Posted By: Jesse lackey
I have done lots of hunting along the Canadian, and i can assure you there are some rough coyotes over there, lol.


Sounds like it would be a fun area to spend some time with a high speed "decoy dog" and an AR.
tongue_smilie
_________________________
Don't Go Ridin' on that Long Black Train!

Top
#2024158 - 10/21/11 02:21 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: DoubleCK]
Jesse lackey Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
Originally Posted By: DoubleCK
Originally Posted By: Jesse lackey
I have done lots of hunting along the Canadian, and i can assure you there are some rough coyotes over there, lol.


Sounds like it would be a fun area to spend some time with a high speed "decoy dog" and an AR.
tongue_smilie


Come on down Haus! My door is always oppen! I will even bring a few high powered hounds just incase that lab gets in trouble! hehehe
_________________________
If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

Top
#2024159 - 10/21/11 02:21 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: Jesse lackey]
CAT DADDY COLD Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/16/04
Posts: 1161
Loc: Comanche OK
Where be these coyotes that won't run from a decoy dog?
I got one that needs work and about half my coyotes take off at the sight of her this time of year.
Kelly
_________________________
Killin coyotes is not chess its checkers…..don’t over think it.

Kelly Jackson - Foxpro Field Staff

Top
#2024162 - 10/21/11 02:28 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
Aaron_Proffitt Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 10/19/07
Posts: 516
Loc: Elgin, OK
Originally Posted By: CAT DADDY COLD
Where be these coyotes that won't run from a decoy dog?
I got one that needs work and about half my coyotes take off at the sight of her this time of year.
Kelly


I'm not saying they won't run from a decoy dog , Kelly . laugh


But the Setter was killed near the South Canadian near Hinton. Jesse's saying he's had some run-ins with some tough coyotes around the Canadian , as well. Not sure if we're talking the same area, though. And I have had some back when I ran stags make my dogs wonder if they were going to get the job done or not along the Canadian,too.

Top
#2024165 - 10/21/11 02:31 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
Jesse lackey Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
Kelly, i have no idea about decoy dogs, i am talking about hounds in the spring. But some of the areas i have found to be filled with tough coyotes is around the checotah area, and around lake eufaula.
_________________________
If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

Top
#2024170 - 10/21/11 02:38 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: Jesse lackey]
DoubleCK Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 3485
Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
Originally Posted By: Jesse lackey

Come on down Haus! My door is always oppen! I will even bring a few high powered hounds just incase that lab gets in trouble! hehehe


Thanks Jesse, you make me LOL. I'm sitting around Sheridan Memorial nursing a bout with Diverticulitis (the hurts like He!! version). I'm doing fine and will get out in the morning. The LOL was most appreciated!

Really, I'm fine please don't muck this thread up with the "get well" posts. Thanks. (-:
_________________________
Don't Go Ridin' on that Long Black Train!

Top
#2024177 - 10/21/11 03:01 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: DoubleCK]
CAT DADDY COLD Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/16/04
Posts: 1161
Loc: Comanche OK
Aaron - I've hunted a bit around Hinton, was in a contest and didn't have a dog. May have to try that area again. Did kill some big mature coyotes while there.

Jesse - understand in the spring. Never called the Checotah area. TOO many up and downs and I like flat anymore lol.


Yall stay after them
Kelly
_________________________
Killin coyotes is not chess its checkers…..don’t over think it.

Kelly Jackson - Foxpro Field Staff

Top
#2024194 - 10/21/11 03:23 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: CAT DADDY COLD]
Jesse lackey Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 11/28/09
Posts: 1909
Loc: Michigan. Go Blue
I understand. Some of those areas get pretty rough.
_________________________
If our wives were more like our dogs...... There would be a lot more happy men in this world.

"six potato chips all at once? wow, guess he is gonna make a decoy dog!" hahaha just kiddin guys!

Top
#2024353 - 10/21/11 08:10 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: Jesse lackey]
knockemdown Offline
suburban redneck

Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 4744
Loc: NY
Somehow, this topic has strayed off from the original question.

btw, we had some quality 'decoy dog' training the other evening in the rain, LOL


whistle


So, to get back on topic, lemme offer this.
A coon fights DEFENSIVELY, requiring the dog to actively pursue & engage to start AND continue the fight. If the dog stops fighting, the coon will not engage. That's just how it is & we've all seen it happen.

Now, on the other hand....

IF a coyote is going to go to the extreme of getting physical with a decoy dog on stand, the tables are now turned as it is the coyote (or coyotes) that are going to attack the dog! Ask any guy who's had their dog chewed on by a coyote(s) and they'll tell you that the coyote(s) mean business! Therefore, the decoy dog will need to learn how to protect itself from an aggressive attack from one (or more) coyotes. IMHO, that is a completely different skill set from learning to 'attack' an animal, coon or otherwise. That's why dogs that normally trail, bay & even kill coyotes sometimes turn tail & run when THEY are the one's being attacked!!!

Which is precisely why I think letting a dog fight a coon makes little sense for training it to decoy a coyote. If anything, being over aggressive might get your dog wrecked, or just spook the heck outta coyotes.

If a dog has ANY prey drive at all, it's not gonna need to fire up on a coon after it's already been on a bunch of stands. Just my less than $.02, but that's my take on the situation. Train how you fight & fight how you train, make any sense?

I want my dog to be able to cover his own azz. I'LL DO THE KILLING, thank you very much!

Remember, we're talking DECOY dogs here, NOT stags, Croghans or other running 'kill' dogs.

D
E
C
O
Y
dogs...


So can anyone offer a good reason why a decoy dog who's already decoyed 15 coyotes would somehow benefit from a coon fight at that stage of it's puppyhood & training?

What about guys who run smaller decoy dogs that couldn't possibly kill a coyote. Obviously, a dog of smaller stature that is too aggressive is gonna eventually wind up wrecked or worse, stretched. Yet, these smaller dogs still 'decoy' coyotes effectively. Amazing, huh???

Thats why I'm puzzled as heck as to why there is all this emphasis here on aggression in a decoy dog???



Top
#2024400 - 10/21/11 08:48 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: knockemdown]
DoubleCK Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 3485
Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
"why there is all this emphasis here on aggression in a decoy dog???"

I tend to agree. On the coyotes, cats, even the coons and especially the p-pines; I don't think I want Tucker taking ahold. Baying, treeing, decoying and defending are all a part of the program I would like to see, but don't think I need a dog to finish. I shoot to kill.

Is that NY Hooter a top secret training technique? (-:
_________________________
Don't Go Ridin' on that Long Black Train!

Top
#2024405 - 10/21/11 08:54 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: DoubleCK]
knockemdown Offline
suburban redneck

Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 4744
Loc: NY
double post


Edited by knockemdown (10/21/11 08:55 PM)

Top
#2024407 - 10/21/11 08:54 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: DoubleCK]
knockemdown Offline
suburban redneck

Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 4744
Loc: NY
Craig, that's a lesser spotted ditch tiger with it's ears laid back!
po' boy's bobcat race laugh Spooky sucker baled 2x & pup treed it 3x. Wiiiiidddddeee open on track, LOL!

Top
#2024413 - 10/21/11 09:02 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: knockemdown]
DoubleCK Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 3485
Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
Ten Roger. Upon further review the initial ruling on the forum has been reversed. (-:

Darn it, I thought we had a new deal going here.
_________________________
Don't Go Ridin' on that Long Black Train!

Top
#2024416 - 10/21/11 09:05 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: knockemdown]
emeraldterriers1 Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 08/22/09
Posts: 697
Loc: kansas



So can anyone offer a good reason why a decoy dog who's already decoyed 15 coyotes would somehow benefit from a coon fight at that stage of it's puppyhood & training?

What about guys who run smaller decoy dogs that couldn't possibly kill a coyote. Obviously, a dog of smaller stature that is too aggressive is gonna eventually wind up wrecked or worse, stretched. Yet, these smaller dogs still 'decoy' coyotes effectively. Amazing, huh???

Thats why I'm puzzled as heck as to why there is all this emphasis here on aggression in a decoy dog???


[/quote]


i can't... lol
_________________________
all i can say is WOW

Top
#2024469 - 10/21/11 10:12 PM Re: should you use a coon for training??? [Re: emeraldterriers1]
DoubleCK Offline
Die Hard Member III

Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 3485
Loc: Wauneta, NE / Gold Canyon, AZ
Not a good reason, but it would just be for fun for me and Tucker. But, then that's what our program is all about, fun. Coons, cats, coyotes, P-pines are all on the menu here. Shocks have been effectively administered for snakes, livestock & hooved wildlife early on and they are no longer interesting.

Caged coons? Mason put the whoa on that for us some time ago.

See how we are here? (-:

Ramble, Ramble, Ramble.


Boy I'm ready to go home in the morning!
_________________________
Don't Go Ridin' on that Long Black Train!

Top
Page 4 of 8 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 >




© Predator Masters™, All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.